WARNING: For all Travellers (merged)

[Transborderwife 4,666]

21 minutes ago, dawning said:

I don't think that's strictly accurate.  Yeah, you don't have a RIGHT to be let in to the country as a non-citizen (what about as a citizen?), but hopefully you do have a right not to be tortured, killed, held for ransom, and so forth. 

 

I don't really have anything awful to hide either, in the sense of something like drug-smuggling or child-pornography, but what if they decide not to let me (or anyone) in because they don't like my politics?  Just look at how divisive this discussion has gotten because some think it is blaming the current president for something that was apparently also done during the last administration.  What if the CPB officer has a chip on his shoulder like some of the posters here?

Saying "I don't mind because I have nothing to hide" implies a high level of faith in the ethics of those conducting the surveillance, and I'm not convinced that trust is warranted.

If torture was legal, I wouldn't put it past them to allow it.

[Sukie 1,459]

I, as an individual person, have nothing to hide.  But when I travel overseas for business, my company-issued computer, as well as my company-issued PDA has client data and internal firm data on it, I would really feel squeezed if I were required to give up my passwords.  I am under company mandate to keep this data confidential and safe.

 

This is the quandary the NASA scientist went through.  We are US citizens, and are entrusted with confidential data by our companies which does not belong to us individually.  I would have to give CPB my passwords, but I would also have to tell my company that data might have been copied and/or compromised.  Then my company would have to tell our clients that their data might have been copied and/or compromised.   It's financial accounting data that could be used for someone's personal gain on the market.

 

I had to laugh about the cat pictures from another poster...that's what they would find on MY personal pages!!!!

 

Sukie in NY

 

 

Edited February 15, 2017 by Sukie
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[dawning 212]

58 minutes ago, Transborderwife said:

If torture was legal, I wouldn't put it past them to allow it.

That's kind of what I mean... The fact that they don't do it because it's not legal means that there are some basic human rights that exist at POE, even if other civil rights are not as robust as they might be in other settings.

 

I do have to say after I read the article, it sounds like it's being used as a tool for intimidation (bullying would be the more judgmental word) as much as to keep the country safer.

[cyclone27 710]

They can keep you detained without cause for 48hrs so it's in your interest to comply unless you have time to waste.

[Transborderwife 4,666]

5 minutes ago, dawning said:

That's kind of what I mean... The fact that they don't do it because it's not legal means that there are some basic human rights that exist at POE, even if other civil rights are not as robust as they might be in other settings.

 

I do have to say after I read the article, it sounds like it's being used as a tool for intimidation (bullying would be the more judgmental word) as much as to keep the country safer.

I needed to go to the bathroom in secondary, they made me wait twice.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

22 minutes ago, cyclone27 said:

They can keep you detained without cause for 48hrs so it's in your interest to comply unless you have time to waste.

Also if you are a visa holder and not a citizen they can deny you entry into the country.

[N-o-l-a 7,167]

37 minutes ago, Transborderwife said:

I needed to go to the bathroom in secondary, they made me wait twice.

 

Should have just peed on the floor, taught them a lesson.

[NYCruiser 423]

18 hours ago, Sukie said:

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/guide-getting-past-customs-digital-privacy-intact/

 

And another article about your data...

 

Sukie in NY

People seem to be panicking for no reason....

1. Cell phones and digital data is used in place of paper eg CV;s, emails, photos, etc...whats the big deal?? In the past it was paper. They would look through your bag and find those. Now its cell phones.

 

2. ALMOST all countries of the world do or can do this. Google Border Security Canada or Australia and you will see videos of Immigration at Airports there doing this all the time. Not sure what is wrong with American media...bunch of winos. Obama's Administration did that all the time.

 

3. People forget, EVEN you are a US Citizen, you are subject to inspection AT ANY TIME...no one reads those sighs at the Airport/Trains Stations etc...they just mean it now with the problem of security now.

[elisar 17]

2 hours ago, N-o-l-a said:

 

Only if you are asked for them at the time.  No way to predict that in advance.

Thanks

[KierenHby 899]

When arriving into the US from a foreign territory.. you are not on US soil until admitted by CBP. Therefore, everyone, incl USCs have to be inspected. 

[Jawaree 717]

This is not new, or happen since Trump is in, the US is not the only

country that checks phones pr laptops. I always say here delete

messages. they have found ppl talking about obtaining jobs in texts

& lies discovered when they are here entering  just on a visit.

[j N j 50]

20 hours ago, cyberfx1024 said:

This has already been known for a while now even before Trump took office. But good job trying to fan the flames of misinformation and anxiety.

 

[Michael and Ganna 104]

People here on VJ have been busted at POE having another bf/gf on the phone when they have been sponsored by another USC.....For years they can ask for your phone to view what ever they want