Yardies, at home and a farrin' (Part 4)

[Forever Young 1]

Lord, why them tropical depression a try mi: TD# 8: http://weather.sun-sentinel.com/tropical/t...00708_5day.html

It's still pretty early on this one. No one is predicting any real path towards JA yet. Fingers crossed!

You know the anxiety of seeing something out there. From the 2 scenarios for the depression, JA seems to be in the clear, but those steering currents can push it on a different course. I am staying focused!

Tam,

Yuh a stress mi out wid dis 'ere blinking tropical depression! LOL Does the dyam ting even 'ave a name yet? I know it 'could' blow weh our dyam pretty likkle island...but then again it could head north and go straight out into the Atlantic!

Yuh nuh 'ave nuf fi stress yuh out...yuh waan tek dis pon yuh head too???!!! Jus' pray, pray pray!!! I'm praying with yuh!

Love yuh,

Gill

[rhondapayter 0]

Ok guys, I need your input. As you know we are in the process of moving. I already filled out an AR-11 form to change Tony's address with USCIS. My question is, do I also need to fill out an I-865 form to notify them that MY address is changing? Here's what it says:

When Should I Use Form I-865?

If at any time in the past you completed a Form I-864, Affidavit of Support, to sponsor an immigrant, you are required to report your change of address within 30 days of the change if the sponsorship agreement is still in force.

So, that would mean I DO need to send this form too! Right? There's always more paperwork to do just when I thought I was finished

[rhondapayter 0]

I went to school in Jamaica.

When I went back to England, I was shocked and amazed at how backward a lot of the people were who went to school in England.

From my own personal experience, I would say my education in Jamaica was FAR better than a lot of people in England received.

Like I said, IF you can even afford to go to school - many children in JA can not. As far as skill level, maybe that depends on what school you go to. Just like in the U.S. some school districts are better than others.

[rhondapayter 0]

Other info --

Irrespective of body size, the degree of second hand exposure is influenced by one or more of the following: size of the room or space you occupy, air circulation and quantity of smoke in the air, duration of time you are exposed and potency of the marijuana.

at "potency of the marijuana"! It's Jamaica - only the BEST! On a more serious note, I think since most of the bars and public spaces are so open - it's not that smoky. I know when I go to bars here in Michigan, the (cigarette) smoke really bothers me. In JA it hardly bothers me at all.

[rhondapayter 0]

So again, yes I agree with you when it comes to the equality of all Jamaican children receiving an education, that MUST be corrected and the playing field be made leveled. However, when it comes to what is being taught in the classrooms in JA. I still believe we could learn something!

I think what really, really just boggles my mind is how my husband could go to school up through 10th grade and barely know how to read and write So, that alone gives me a bad impression of the JA school system. Also, my friend Jackies husband (also JA) is the ONLY one of his group of friends who can read and write and even his ability isn't great.

[rhondapayter 0]

I am about to renew Andre's passport through Washington D.C. , probably in the next month or so. I'll let you guys know how that one goes too.

Yes, please let us know. I didn't know you could renew it from the U.S. I thought it had to be done in JA.

Ladies - Are your husbands going to apply for citizenship when the 3 yrs is up? Can you have DUAL citizenship - both Jamaican and U.S.? Tony said he doesn't want to give up his JA one, but he would like to have dual. Does anyone know?

[rhondapayter 0]

well you would think with me being preggo things with mike would be different....but nah....i installed a spy program on the computer just to see what was really going on...and well ya he gave a girl on myspace his number...and telling her that she is sexy..not sure what i'm going to do.....

I'm so sorry - you do not need this stress right now. What would Mindy do? Chop off his balls

'Im need a good box upside his blasted head!

Ditto!

[rhondapayter 0]

The income disparity in Jamaica is quite apparent and I would have to say that I may be biased in that I had a privileged up-bringing. What I am alluding to, is the family time; the time for relaxation, not being swept up in the rat race as it is here. The sense of community that you will find in Jamaica, that seems to be lacking in many US cities. If you know your neighbour having it hard, you know when you go country and you get food products from your family in the country, you come and share it with your neighbour.

Over the past decade, Jamaica's economy has been on a steady decline and I can only hope that the new government may be able to turn things around. I can tell you, as more opportunities are available in Jamaica, much of the "diaspora" will return to the island, because the way of life is much better than it is here.

Well, you said it yourself! It's a lot different when your family has money. As far as family time and such, I think that all depends on individual families - has nothing to do with where you grow up. I know my family spent lots of time together when me and my sister were growing up - whether we wanted to or not We went on Sunday drives, ate homemade dinners at home on most nights, went on trips together, spent all holidays, birthdays, speical occasions together, etc... As teenagers, we hated it, but now I cherish all those memories.

[rhondapayter 0]

My son asked me when he got his schedule for HS..... do I have a reading class? I said, nope....doesn't happen after middle school !!!

What???!!!!! Doesn't he have an English class? We HAD to take English - or Language Arts or composition or writing or whatever you want to call it - every year of our 4 years in high school. I had to read a TON of books in high school and then write papers on them. Not a problem for me as I love to read - a lot of the kids bought Cliff Notes to try to avoid reading the whole book! But there was no escaping it.

[rhondapayter 0]

All this to say, it is not enough to warn them about smoking. They also have to be on the lookout for bad mind people dat hate pon dem change fe leave an go farrin.

This is sooooo true. My friends husband checked all his clothes, shoes, and suitcases after he left his house on the way to the airport because he was afraid someone had "planted" something illegal in his luggage! He said some people there get so jealous they will do anything to ruin it for you.

[nannygirl82 0]

Ok guys, I need your input. As you know we are in the process of moving. I already filled out an AR-11 form to change Tony's address with USCIS. My question is, do I also need to fill out an I-865 form to notify them that MY address is changing? Here's what it says:

When Should I Use Form I-865?

If at any time in the past you completed a Form I-864, Affidavit of Support, to sponsor an immigrant, you are required to report your change of address within 30 days of the change if the sponsorship agreement is still in force.

So, that would mean I DO need to send this form too! Right? There's always more paperwork to do just when I thought I was finished

yes you need to send one for yourself as well....

Edited September 13, 2007 by nannygirl82

[jawi876 2]

I am about to renew Andre's passport through Washington D.C. , probably in the next month or so. I'll let you guys know how that one goes too.

Yes, please let us know. I didn't know you could renew it from the U.S. I thought it had to be done in JA.

Ladies - Are your husbands going to apply for citizenship when the 3 yrs is up? Can you have DUAL citizenship - both Jamaican and U.S.? Tony said he doesn't want to give up his JA one, but he would like to have dual. Does anyone know?

Hey R.,

I found this info for you: (http://www.constitution-and-rights.com/dual-citizenship.html)

Dual Citizenship

Memorandum of Law

Jamaica recognizes the concept of Dual Citizenship.

A person who was born outside of Jamaica before August 6, 1962 and whose father or mother would have become a citizen of Jamaica on August 6, 1962 automatically became a Jamaican citizen. See Section 3A of the Jamaican Constitution.

A person who is married to a Jamaican citizen is entitled to be registered as a Jamaican citizen, regardless of his prior citizenship. See Sections 4 and 7 of the Jamaican Constitution.

Every person born in Jamaica after August 5, 1962 is entitled to Jamaican citizenship, regardless of whether he/she is entitled to the citizenship of any other country. See Section 5 of the Jamaican Constitution.

A person born outside of Jamaica after August 5, 1962 is entitled to Jamaican citizenship if his father or mother was born in Jamaica. See Section 6 of the Jamaican Constitution.

The Governor General has a power to deprive a Jamaican of his Jamaican citizenship if (a) citizenship was acquired other than by birth; or (B) if a Jamaican citizen exercises a right of citizenship in a foreign country exclusively reserved for citizens of that country. See Section 8 of the Jamaican Constitution­

There is nothing automatic about the deprivation of Jamaican citizenship by the Governor General. It may only be exercised in extreme circumstances. Parliament has a power to pass legislation to deprive a person of Jamaican citizenship (OTHER THAN A PERSON BORN IN JAMAICA). See Section 11 of the Constitution.

The mere fact that a Jamaican citizen becomes a naturalized U.S. Citizen does not automatically affect his Jamaican citizenship.

Such a person could only lose his Jamaican citizenship if (a) he was not born in Jamaica and (B) if the Governor General deprives him/her of that citizenship pursuant to Section 8 of the Constitution.

A Jamaican citizen who renounces his Jamaican citizenship at the time of naturalization as a U.S. Citizen does not automatically lose his Jamaican citizenship. This is so because by Jamaican law a Jamaican citizen can only lose his Jamaican citizenship if the Governor General deprives him/her of that citizenship.

Under the US Law, an alien is required to renounce his/her former citizenship at the time of naturalization. This renunciation does not automatically take away from a Jamaican citizen his citizenship of Jamaica

The Constitution of the United States does not forbid dual citizenship. Indeed, the United States recognizes dual citizenship. This was decided in 1967 by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case of Afroyim v. Rusk 387 US.S. 253,67 S. Ct­1660; 18 L. Ed. 2d. 757, which decided that a US citizen did not lose his citizenship after foreign naturalization. Justice Black in writing for the majority of the Court said:

“We hold that the 154th Amendment was designed to, and does protect every citizen of this Nation against a Congressional forcible destruction of his citizenship, whatever his creed, color, or race. Our holding does no more than to give to this citizen that which is his own, a constitutional right to remain a citizen in a free country unless he voluntarily relinquishes that citizenship".

A person who is born in the United States and becomes a citizen of the U.S. by birth, and who voluntarily becomes a citizen of another country and participates in that ­country's parliamentary elections, cannot be deprived of his U.S. citizenship as a result of such conduct.

An Article "Questions and Answers on dual U.S/other citizenship" states in paragraph 2 that "The official U.S. State Department Policy on dual citizenship is that the United States does not favor it as a matter of policy because of various problems they feel it may cause, but the existence of dual citizenship is recognized in individual cases".

At paragraph 9 of the above Article the question is asked, "I've heard of people who became U.S. Citizens via naturalization but then claim they still have their old citizenship too. How is this possible? One of the answers given is this:

"The person's old country may not recognize the renunciation of citizenship he made as part of U.S. Naturalization. Such a person could be a dual citizen, as it were, in spite of himself".

Paragraph 10 of the Article on dual citizenship, in answer to the question; If I am a dual U.S/other citizen, is there any way I can lose my U.S. Citizenship? states, inter alia.

"On 16 April, 1990, the State Department adopted a new set of guidelines for handling dual citizenship which are much more streamlined and liberal than before:

The State Department now says that it will assume that a U.S. Citizen intends to retain (not to give up) his U.S. Citizenship if he:

a. is naturalized in a foreign country;

b. takes a routine oath of allegiance to a foreign country;

c. accepts foreign government employment that is of a non-policy level" nature.

Paragraph 12 of the Article deals with the Two Passport Questions and provides the following answer:

There is nothing in U. S. Law forbidding a U. S. Citizen to possess both a U.S. Passport and a foreign Passport - provided of course, that the person really is a citizen of both countries.

SUMMARY

Jamaica recognizes Dual Citizenship. Only the Governor General of Jamaica can deprive a Jamaican of his/her Jamaican citizenship.

The mere act of renunciation of Jamaican nationality in the naturalization process to become a U.S. Citizen does not deprive the Jamaican of his/her Jamaican citizenship.

It is not contrary to U.S. Law to have both a Jamaican Passport and a U.S. Passport.

[Forever Young 1]

All this to say, it is not enough to warn them about smoking. They also have to be on the lookout for bad mind people dat hate pon dem change fe leave an go farrin.

This is sooooo true. My friends husband checked all his clothes, shoes, and suitcases after he left his house on the way to the airport because he was afraid someone had "planted" something illegal in his luggage! He said some people there get so jealous they will do anything to ruin it for you.

Dyam Rhonda, I didn't even think about that!!! Gotta get on the horn and Let Ken know fi go through HEVERYTING wid a fine tooth comb! Before he even thinks about hitting that airport!

Good looking!

Thanks,

Gill

[JA Tam 7]

All this to say, it is not enough to warn them about smoking. They also have to be on the lookout for bad mind people dat hate pon dem change fe leave an go farrin.

This is sooooo true. My friends husband checked all his clothes, shoes, and suitcases after he left his house on the way to the airport because he was afraid someone had "planted" something illegal in his luggage! He said some people there get so jealous they will do anything to ruin it for you.

I am always paranoid now that I can't put a lock on my bag. Back in the day there were horror stories that baggage handlers who had drug links may put drugs in your bag after they were checked in. Never really heard of anyone who it happened to, but I don't pack anything in my bags to take up for anybody, unless it's my father. I don't trust people like that. They will do things like that to you. My step-sister, though she was caught up in the game, was given "rum" to take up with her. Turns out it was liquified cocaine. Got jail time in NY and then was deported back to JA.

[JA Tam 7]

Lord, why them tropical depression a try mi: TD# 8: http://weather.sun-sentinel.com/tropical/t...00708_5day.html

It's still pretty early on this one. No one is predicting any real path towards JA yet. Fingers crossed!

You know the anxiety of seeing something out there. From the 2 scenarios for the depression, JA seems to be in the clear, but those steering currents can push it on a different course. I am staying focused!

Tam,

Yuh a stress mi out wid dis 'ere blinking tropical depression! LOL Does the dyam ting even 'ave a name yet? I know it 'could' blow weh our dyam pretty likkle island...but then again it could head north and go straight out into the Atlantic!

Yuh nuh 'ave nuf fi stress yuh out...yuh waan tek dis pon yuh head too???!!! Jus' pray, pray pray!!! I'm praying with yuh!

Love yuh,

Gill

Mi know...mi ah go stop fret. No name for the storm yet and it is almost stationary. Right now it is up in the air where it will go, but it is projected to be a hurricane by early next week