Report: Trump halted $181 billion in regulatory costs on first day in office

[Teddy B 17,252]

7 minutes ago, bcking said:

In fairness it is perfectly reasonable to use a personal example, since most people rarely if ever deal with health insurance in their "youth" (Less than 50) since most people are lucky enough to be healthy.

 

It is perfectly reasonable to think that your personal example somehow fits the mold for everyone else. I can't fault him for thinking that. It's just that in this particular situation it just doesn't apply to the majority of cases. Insurance negotiate prices, but they will still pay more than debt collectors. The more a hospital has to suffer the loss from uninsured patients, the more they have to come up with that money somewhere else (or offer less care). There is a huge disparity between hospitals in our country, when you compare the "have's" (the hospitals where they focus on non-emergent cases and only take patients with insurance) and the "have nots" (where hospitals take all comers, are in traditionally low income areas, and have very active ED's that attract the uninsured). Even within the same city it can be crazy. I trained in San Diego and you go up to La Jolla and there is a beautiful Cardiovascular Hospital, palm trees in the lobby, private suites. It attracts the best doctors, and it gives excellent care. For those with insurance. The hospital makes money. It was built specifically in La Jolla because they would limit the uninsured that show up. Compare that to the inner city hospital (Hillcrest) which is old, busy, has less equipment for diagnostics etc... They have a much larger population of patients that walk through the doors of the ED uninsured, and you can't send them away.

It's also perfectly reasonable for someone to make up a story that can't be proven to fit their side of the debate. A $50K medical bill with a $5K payout by insurance is unheard of and most likely false. Now IDWAF may truly believe that only $5K was paid on a $50K bill, but there is probably some other pertinent info that is missing from the story.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, smilesammich said:

nope didn't claim that either. and why do you think he won't release them, smarty?

Would you please post your tax return. Right here will be fine 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

It's also perfectly reasonable for someone to make up a story that can't be proven to fit their side of the debate. A $50K medical bill with a $5K payout by insurance is unheard of and most likely false. Now IDWAF may truly believe that only $5K was paid on a $50K bill, but there is probably some other pertinent info that is missing from the story.

My buddys wife just went in. It was 27K and the wrote it down to 4K something. Not quite as much, but Insurance companies do get a huge break on the going rate. 

[Teddy B 17,252]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

My buddys wife just went in. It was 27K and the wrote it down to 4K something. Not quite as much, but Insurance companies do get a huge break on the going rate. 

In my experience it's usually around a 50% payout, give or take a bit both ways. A lot depends on the coverage and deductibles of the patient.

[smilesammich 10,727]

2 minutes ago, bcking said:

True having a baby does happen under 50. I guess I was thinking aside from that. Sadly I was probably also thinking about Men specifically since IDWAF is a man (I'm assuming?). Most men can go decades before ever having a prescription even (no birth control).

my first real tango with insurance was when i had my son, and i had my son in a hospital outside my network. good times.

my sister, otoh, was diagnosed w/ type 1 diabetes years ago and has had nothing but experience in dealing with insurance. my mom has had countless battles with ins and prescription drug companies. type 1 diabetes can bring a host of other issues (especially for females) so there's really no chance of her insurance needs to maintain or level out..

see, i'm a big fan of anecdotes - just done properly 

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

8 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Would you please post your tax return. Right here will be fine 

sure, soon as you elect me president and i campaign for months promising to release them. 

 

what reasonable hard working american doesn't want that sort of transparency from their potus? why are you guys defending this? i don't get it.

[Teddy B 17,252]

8 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

sure, soon as you elect me president and i campaign for months promising to release them. 

 

what reasonable hard working american doesn't want that sort of transparency from their potus? why are you guys defending this? i don't get it.

First you have to make a tape on a bus explaining how you grope and fondle men at will.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Teddy B said:

First you have to make a tape on a bus explaining how you grope and fondle men at will.

it's amazing, when you're a chick they just let you do it. anything you want.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

19 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

sure, soon as you elect me president and i campaign for months promising to release them. 

 

what reasonable hard working american doesn't want that sort of transparency from their potus? why are you guys defending this? i don't get it.

I dont see the big deal. I would say the same for Hillary. I don't think someones Tax returns are anybody's business 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

9 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

it's amazing, when you're a chick they just let you do it. anything you want.

I am at that age when I would just as soon have a nap and a good sammich 

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I dont see the big deal. I would say the same for Hillary. I don't think someones Tax returns are anybody's business 

i want to see potus tax returns, i think those running should be required to release. all this vetting for refugees, people who just want to live and not get killed, but just let some rich blow hard waltz into the whitehouse with his band of bigoted cronies.  

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I am at that age when I would just as soon have a nap and a good sammich 

you say that's what you want, but that's not what you really want. let me tell you what you don't know you want so you know to want it because it's what i want. mmmk?

[OriZ 3,157]

2 hours ago, smilesammich said:

what?

 

You said you're sure he doesn't pay taxes for anything he can shuffle as an expense. That's a little more difficult to do without the risk of getting into serious trouble than people realize, because you have to prove it's something you bought in order to resell, otherwise you still owe Use tax on it. If a Sales and Use Tax auditor shows up at your door, they will look at stuff like that. There is a company here that is a vendor of ours and VT Dept of Taxes audited them. They sell plants and stuff so they never paid use tax on the soil. They ended up with $150,000 bill because even though the plants they sell GROW IN the soil, they considered it something you should pay use tax on. It's a true story I can even find you a link in the burlington free press for. So if I buy a piece of furniture, I can't just claim it as a business expense and avoid paying taxes on unless I prove I bought it with the intent of reselling it because then I still have to pay "use tax" on it. BTW the same is true even personally. Most people just don't do it but technically, if you ordered from amazon and didn't pay sales tax, in your state once you file you may still owe use tax on it. Most people are oblivious to that though  and it has not been enforced very well throughout the years.

Edited February 1, 2017 by OriZ

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, OriZ said:

 

You said you're sure he doesn't pay taxes for anything he can shuffle as an expense. That's a little more difficult to do without the risk of getting into serious trouble than people realize, because you have to prove it's something you bought in order to resell, otherwise you still owe Use tax on it. If a Sales and Use Tax auditor shows up at your door, they will look at stuff like that. There is a company here that is a vendor of ours and VT Dept of Taxes audited them. They sell plants and stuff so they never paid use tax on the soil. They ended up with $150,000 bill because even though the plants they sell GROW IN the soil, they considered it something you should pay use tax on. It's a true story I can even find you a link in the burlington free press for. So if I buy a piece of furniture, I can't just claim it as a business expense and avoid paying taxes on it because then I still have to pay "use tax" on it. BTW the same is true even personally. Most people just don't do it but technically, if you ordered from amazon and didn't pay sales tax, in your state once you file you may still owe use tax on it. Most people are oblivious to that though  and it has not been enforced very well throughout the years.

for the life of me i don't understand why you or idwaf believe your personal/business tax situation and dealings are even close to what trump co got going on. seriously - stop. you're not even in the same ball park. he has teams of people who do this stuff, and he weasels his way out of paying legitimate debt whenever possible SO OF COURSE he neglects his tax responsibility whenever possible. i'm not saying he does this illegally. i am saying he's making sure the tax code continues to benefit him and his sort. both of you can spare me the 'lessons' on how taxes work for grownups.

[OriZ 3,157]

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

for the life of me i don't understand why you or idwaf believe your personal/business tax situation and dealings are even close to what trump co got going on. seriously - stop. you're not even in the same ball park. he has teams of people who do this stuff, and he weasels his way out of paying legitimate debt whenever possible SO OF COURSE he neglects his tax responsibility whenever possible. i'm not saying he does this illegally. i am saying he's making sure the tax code continues to benefit him and his sort. both of you can spare me the 'lessons' on how taxes work for grownups.

And I was just saying audit time must be fun then. You're the one who asked what.

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, OriZ said:

And I was just saying audit time must be fun then. You're the one who asked what.

that's all you needed to say in the first place, i didn't understand what you were getting at maybe because you're equating a business associate's dealing with a vermont use tax audit with trump's tax web.