Trump's disapproval rating surges above 50 percent, setting new record

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2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

of course not.

Then he isn't a Leninist. I'm confused what we were arguing about then.

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

Then he isn't a Leninist. I'm confused what we were arguing about then.

not concerning the ultimate goal of socialism, though i do think bannon would like to create sort socialist utopia for those he feel have earned/deserve it.

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7 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

I thought Bannon was a fan of Hitler and the far right?  Now it is Lenin and the far left?

Bannon is confused.

 

Or maybe not.

 

 

Edited February 1, 2017 by verneforchat

[OriZ 3,157]

Not a fan of Bannon, not a fan of Breitbart, but this just in........the tolerant left proves again it believes in free speech. As long as that speech is theirs. 

 

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley-20170201-story.html

 

Ridiculous.

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Just now, OriZ said:

Not a fan of Bannon, not a fan of Breitbart, but this just in........the tolerant left proves again it believes in free speech. As long as that speech is theirs. 

 

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley-20170201-story.html

 

Ridiculous.

Yes one small sample represents all tolerant left.

 

Just like all those racist alt+right violent ones represent all republicans. 

 

At least the tolerant left don't go around changing rules on a whim: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-cabinet-picks-republicans-change-rules-democrats-a7557391.html

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12 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Not a fan of Bannon, not a fan of Breitbart, but this just in........the tolerant left proves again it believes in free speech. As long as that speech is theirs. 

 

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley-20170201-story.html

 

Ridiculous.

Isn't Free Speech more about the government not limiting your ability to speak your mind? People can still protest, and if there is enough protesting that may make your "Free Speech" difficult, but your constitution-given right to Freedom of Speech is just that the GOVERNMENT will not limit you.

 

I think the bigger issue with that article is violent protests which aren't right. They have the right to protest him speaking on their campus, and I believe campuses can also choose to limit who can speak on their campus (even public institutions, though I believe they aren't quite as free to do as they please as a private University).

 

I'm not condoning the protesters since they turned violent and i don't believe in violent protests, but I fully support their right to protest someone that they feel violates the ideals and values of their university from speaking there. 

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4 minutes ago, bcking said:

Isn't Free Speech more about the government not limiting your ability to speak your mind? People can still protest, and if there is enough protesting that may make your "Free Speech" difficult, but your constitution-given right to Freedom of Speech is just that the GOVERNMENT will not limit you.

 

I think the bigger issue with that article is violent protests which aren't right. They have the right to protest him speaking on their campus, and I believe campuses can also choose to limit who can speak on their campus (even public institutions, though I believe they aren't quite as free to do as they please as a private University).

 

I'm not condoning the protesters since they turned violent and i don't believe in violent protests, but I fully support their right to protest someone that they feel violates the ideals and values of their university from speaking there. 

Exactly.

 

Free speech does not mean freedom from repercussions if your views are somewhat racist and misogynist. Milo has somewhat views/speech that a lot find disagreeable, whether they are right or left. So Milo will go and talk where he is allowed to, and protesters are free to protest.

 

However, I do not condone the violence in protests. 

Edited February 2, 2017 by verneforchat

[OriZ 3,157]

45 minutes ago, verneforchat said:

Yes one small sample represents all tolerant left.

 

Just like all those racist alt+right violent ones represent all republicans. 

 

At least the tolerant left don't go around changing rules on a whim: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-cabinet-picks-republicans-change-rules-democrats-a7557391.html

Show me where I said the word ALL and I'll give you a cookie.

 

30 minutes ago, bcking said:

Isn't Free Speech more about the government not limiting your ability to speak your mind? People can still protest, and if there is enough protesting that may make your "Free Speech" difficult, but your constitution-given right to Freedom of Speech is just that the GOVERNMENT will not limit you.

 

I think the bigger issue with that article is violent protests which aren't right. They have the right to protest him speaking on their campus, and I believe campuses can also choose to limit who can speak on their campus (even public institutions, though I believe they aren't quite as free to do as they please as a private University).

 

I'm not condoning the protesters since they turned violent and i don't believe in violent protests, but I fully support their right to protest someone that they feel violates the ideals and values of their university from speaking there. 

I have no problem with people protesting but that isn't what they are doing. What they are doing and not for the first, second, or even 50th time in recent years, is violently preventing someone from expressing their right to free speech. That is disgusting behavior by people who made it clear as I said more than once, that they only believe in free speech as long as it applies to them. Nobody else deserves that right apparently. That is nothing short of sick, mentally ill behaviour. They need to go home and take a shower.

Edited February 2, 2017 by OriZ

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1 minute ago, OriZ said:

Show me where I said the word ALL and I'll give you a cookie.

 

I have no problem with people protesting but that isn't what they are doing. What they are doing and not for the first, second, or even 50th time in recent years, is violently preventing someone from expressing their right to free speech. That is disgusting behavior by people who made it clear as I said more than once, that they only believe in free speech as long as it applies to them. Nobody else deserves that right apparently. That is nothing short of sick, mentally ill behaviour.

Show me that you meant to single out only that group and I will give you a bigger cookie.

 

If you have no problem with them protesting, why are you protesting here?

 

And what the heck is violent prevention? IS that hulk smashing someone preventing from doing anything?

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4 minutes ago, verneforchat said:

Show me that you meant to single out only that group and I will give you a bigger cookie.

 

If you have no problem with them protesting, why are you protesting here?

 

And what the heck is violent prevention? IS that hulk smashing someone preventing from doing anything?

If this was an extreme left person, like Van Jones, and the right did this, the left would be in an uproar. You are but another hypocrite and your comment makes absolutely zero sense.

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2 minutes ago, OriZ said:

If this was an extreme left person, like Van Jones, and the right did this, the left would be in an uproar. You are but another hypocrite and your comment makes absolutely zero sense.

What are you blathering about? Calm  down before you bust a vessel.

I said protesting is a right, however I dont condone violent protesting. So i support the protest, not the violence.

 

There, happy?

 

And I am sure the right have had their bout of violent protests and the rest of the rights did not defend them.  

Edited February 2, 2017 by verneforchat

[OriZ 3,157]

2 minutes ago, verneforchat said:

What are you blathering about? Calm  down before you bust a vessel.

I said protesting is a right, however I dont condone violent protesting. So i support the protest, not the violence.

 

There, happy?

Nope. I find making excuses for such abhorrent behavior to be inexcusable and unacceptable.

 

 

So in the words of Mr. Wonderful.....

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5 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Nope. I find making excuses for such abhorrent behavior to be inexcusable and unacceptable.

 

 

So in the words of Mr. Wonderful.....

So in the words of Mr. Wonderful...

 

Who gives a flying rat's rear to what you find to be inexcusable and unacceptable?

 

By all means find whatever you will as inexcusable and acceptable. 

[OriZ 3,157]

Ahhhh....gotta love Mr. Wonderful.

 

 

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 hour ago, OriZ said:

Not a fan of Bannon, not a fan of Breitbart, but this just in........the tolerant left proves again it believes in free speech. As long as that speech is theirs. 

 

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley-20170201-story.html

 

Ridiculous.

im surprised it wasn't cancelled earlier, a yianno/trump supporter shot a protestor at an event in wa like a week ago. 

free speech is a two way street. milo is scum and he knows it. it's his brand.