California Just Put Secession On The 2018 Ballot

[millefleur 5,046]

 

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California Just Put Secession On The 2018 Ballot

 

Many members of the American electorate vowed to leave the United States if Donald Trump won the presidency. Rather than taking that action, they may have another option in the future as a campaign has been kicked off for California to secede from the union so that they may form their own country. Trump lost California by more than four million votes and the majority of residents are already fed up with his hateful, ignorant, racist, and childish policies.

 

The movement is entitled “Calexit” which is being pushed by the “Yes California Independence Campaign.” While the concept has been mulled around in the past for years, it has started to gain serious momentum now that Trump has proved himself to be such a dangerous leader that more individuals are interested in it than ever before.

 

Presently the individuals who are interested in California’s secession now have the ability to begin gathering signatures so that the idea may be presented as an official initiative in the 2018 election. For the initiative to have any hope of blooming 585,407 signatures must be collected from registered voters in the next 180 days, which is a daunting task.

 

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Well, Californians, what say you? Should you stay or should you go?

[cyclone27 710]

Waste of time and money - No state will ever be able to secede. 

[OriZ 3,157]

24 minutes ago, cyclone27 said:

Waste of time and money - No state will ever be able to secede. 

 

I agree

[Dashinka 24,420]

Interesting headline.  From reading the story, they are simply starting the petition portion of the process, so nothing is actually on the ballot yet.  Additionally, this first step seems to be just an attempt to change some wording in the CA constitution, which may in fact happen, but it would be a long time before Californians would actually be voting to secede.  I think this might actually be a good case study for an academic class.  What would the cost be?  How would the secession be handled?  How would the national debt be divided so CA gets it's portion?  How would federal lands be transferred?  How would water rights be re-negotiated?  How would CA handle the rather large federal military complex that currently resides in the state?  How would CA protect itself (i.e. would it form it's own military)?  I often hear that CA sends much more money to the Fed than they get in return, but I don't think they consider all the benefits CA gets from federal investment in the state. 

Edited January 30, 2017 by Bill & Katya
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[Transborderwife 4,666]

QUebec has been doing this for years in Canada.  Never gonna happen 

[millefleur 5,046]

2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Interesting headline.  From reading the story, they are simply starting the petition portion of the process, so nothing is actually on the ballot yet.  Additionally, this first step seems to be just an attempt to change some wording in the CA constitution, which may in fact happen, but it would be a long time before Californians would actually be voting to secede.  I think this might actually be a good case study for an academic class.  What would the cost be?  How would the secession be handled?  How would the national debt be divided so CA gets it's portion?  How would federal lands be transferred?  How would water rights be re-negotiated?  How would CA handle the rather large federal military complex that currently resides in the state?  How would CA protect itself (i.e. would it form it's own military)?  I often hear that CA sends much more money to the Fed than they get in return, but I don't think they consider all the benefits CA gets from federal investment in the state. 

Good point. The headline is probably wishful thinking on their part. I was thinking the exact same thing: I find it funny that such a strongly anti-gun state (well, at least in the big cities) wants to succeed from the union. That'll go over so well without a military or anyway to defend the new 'country'!

 

Thinking about the concept is really interesting. Texit has been touted around a while as well, but I guess it's CA's turn since they're not happy with the outcome of the election.

Edited January 30, 2017 by millefleur

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

 I have enough trouble hoping to get my social security benefits from the feds.  I would never see it if those fools that manage California got their fingers on it.  It would go to opening some Passat the southern border to allow more criminals in.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Not going to happen. Much better to get set up for the next election cycle and take away the House and Senate. NorB relax, it's not going to happen and no illegal is going to get your Volkswagon down payment.

[Jawaree 717]

They said no Wayyy will Trump be Prez....Helloooooo, stranger things have occurred

[ready4ONE 5,400]

7 minutes ago, Jawaree said:

They said no Wayyy will Trump be Prez....Helloooooo, stranger things have occurred

Point taken. Still not likely, but...

[bcking 3,157]

Talk about a misleading headline for the article...puttig it on the Ballot? more like starting to collect signatures. 

 

I also agree it would be incredibly complex and therefore not likely to happen. Economically yes California could survive as an independent country (and do much better than many other countries around the world) but just the logistical nightmare of succession would be crazy. I don't think having a military would be all that important (unless the Federal Government tried to force a union, which I don't think it would do). There are plenty of countries with token or not defense at all.

 

If it got bad enough I wonder if the relationship between State/Federal Government would just change? Perhaps California (and other states that rely less on the Feds) could be further divested from the Federal Government? Obviously we have nothing like that in the constitution so it would require amendments.

 

Most likely in the end nothing will happen.

[jg121783 3,909]

I'm all for it. The socialists can have their own control freak utopia and the rest of us can finally be left alone. Calexit 2018!

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Good . They should take Washington state , Colorado and the rest of the left Coast with them 

[bcking 3,157]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Good . They should take Washington state , Colorado and the rest of the left Coast with them 

Ya the US can keep all the states that take from the government (Generally right-leaning states). States like California that actually make enough money to survive can go independent (NY state can join, along with some others). We'll see how well that turns out for the US of A.

[JimJesDuma 472]

4 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Good . They should take Washington state , Colorado and the rest of the left Coast with them 

Yes buddy they should take my State of Washington too.

You don't need Amazon, Starbucks, Microsoft, Travelocity, Nintendo, oh and Boeing.

Plus all the shipping ports here on the west coast which you will no longer have access to.

 

Enjoy taking the train on your next vacation