Trump's published Immigration policies MEGATHREAD

[glmg21 330]

1 hour ago, Medz70084 said:

Hi 

I am an iranian born British citizen. I left iran when I was 15/16. Yes I was born in Iran but I am not a practicing Muslim. Me and my husband consider ourselves free thinkers with liberal views. My husband is a natural born US citizen and a veteran of several mission. We got our case completed from NVC a a week ago after a year of hell. Now where does this leave us. What about my husbands rights? He has depression and things are not looking good for him. I have also gone through hell and back and had to study for two years to do exams and pass application and interview (10/800 chance)  that would allow me to work in the US when I get there. I have secured a university postion for July and paid hundreds in education fees alone. I feel devastated. No idea where to go from here. 

Your first step should be to seek legal advice. You or your husband should contact your husband's local ACLU office, who have been doing outstanding work, to start the process of getting assistance. You can find a link here: https://www.aclu.org/about/affiliates?redirect=affiliates

 

However, as an Iranian British citizen, the British government still believes you have the right to travel to the United States, as seen here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/30/downing-street-insists-trump-travel-ban-wont-affect-uk-dual-nationals

 

I wish you and your husband every success in getting to where you need, want, and deserve to be able to go.

 

 

 

[Medz70084 8]

26 minutes ago, glmg21 said:

Your first step should be to seek legal advice. You or your husband should contact your husband's local ACLU office, who have been doing outstanding work, to start the process of getting assistance. You can find a link here: https://www.aclu.org/about/affiliates?redirect=affiliates

 

However, as an Iranian British citizen, the British government still believes you have the right to travel to the United States, as seen here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/30/downing-street-insists-trump-travel-ban-wont-affect-uk-dual-nationals

 

I wish you and your husband every success in getting to where you need, want, and deserve to be able to go.

 

 

 

Thank you for your words and the advice. The embassy website in London and NVC website states the same thing. That whether you are a national or dual citizen you won't be given a visa, contrary to what Boris Johnson has announced yesterday.  I have emailed ACLU and the embassy in London and waiting to hear.

Edited January 30, 2017 by Medz70084

[mallafri76 1,012]

11 hours ago, HeatDeath said:

Judging from Priebus' statement, the application this current EO to current GC holders appears to have been an oversight that is being rapidly corrected. Tremendously inconvenient for everyone involved, but for the most part not apocalyptic - how many other stories have we heard around here of front-line officers occasionally having their own, somewhat idiosyncratic interpretation of the current regs? Just more of the same.  

This is what happens when decisions are made on a whim and proper advice is not seeked from the experts.

 

This is certainly not the same as some CBP officer not fully understanding a rule. This is the President of the United States signing into effect an executive order without proper planning, without taking in advice and without giving ample time for the decision to be implemented. 

 

[mallafri76 1,012]

14 hours ago, geowrian said:

When this whole ordeal is over, Trump will claim extreme vetting is in place and it's the best vetting ever and America's the safest its ever been...even if there are no practical differences between the process before and after the EO.

And most of his supporters will just eat it up.... 

[glmg21 330]

8 minutes ago, mallafri76 said:

This is what happens when decisions are made on a whim and proper advice is not seeked from the experts.

 

This is certainly not the same as some CBP officer not fully understanding a rule. This is the President of the United States signing into effect an executive order without proper planning, without taking in advice and without giving ample time for the decision to be implemented. 

 

This is a very important post. The vast majority of CBP officers are decent, honest, good, hardworking people. That they are having to enforce these disgusting rules is neither their fault nor their desire, and they were caught blindsided by these regulations just as we all were. They are rightfully confused, scared, and in many cases simply following orders through fear of losing their jobs. CBP falls under the jurisdiction of Homeland Security, which as we know serves the terrible interests of the President.

[Mollie09 1,543]

39 minutes ago, glmg21 said:

This is a very important post. The vast majority of CBP officers are decent, honest, good, hardworking people. That they are having to enforce these disgusting rules is neither their fault nor their desire, and they were caught blindsided by these regulations just as we all were. They are rightfully confused, scared, and in many cases simply following orders through fear of losing their jobs. CBP falls under the jurisdiction of Homeland Security, which as we know serves the terrible interests of the President.

And yet some of them are now in contempt of court orders to suspend the ban.

[yuna628 9,676]

10 minutes ago, F1H1I130 said:

And yet some of them are now in contempt of court orders to suspend the ban.

And some also very clearly had a little 'fun' and abused their power in all the chaos.

[hasheesha 45]

2 hours ago, mallafri76 said:

And most of his supporters will just eat it up.... 

it will be part of the "alternative facts"

[hasheesha 45]

So reading this article: https://time.com/4652964/donald-trump-first-week-refugees-reaction/

It looks like GC holders need to apply for waivers in order to be permitted to enter and go to their own homes... This waiver is just to make sure the GC holder is free from any "derogatory" information, whatever that means...

 

Where would you apply for this waiver? Is it something you need to do from the Embassy prior to leaving or is it something that gets done at POE?

 

Also, i have heard accounts of people being detained, their cellphones confiscated, unlocked, their social media posts reviewed and laptops reviewed as well. This is for both US Citizens and GC holders.... is this actually legal? can the CBP legally do such a thorough invasion of your privacy?

[MrChamploo 45]

3 minutes ago, hasheesha said:

So reading this article: https://time.com/4652964/donald-trump-first-week-refugees-reaction/

It looks like GC holders need to apply for waivers in order to be permitted to enter and go to their own homes... This waiver is just to make sure the GC holder is free from any "derogatory" information, whatever that means...

 

Where would you apply for this waiver? Is it something you need to do from the Embassy prior to leaving or is it something that gets done at POE?

 

Also, i have heard accounts of people being detained, their cellphones confiscated, unlocked, their social media posts reviewed and laptops reviewed as well. This is for both US Citizens and GC holders.... is this actually legal? can the CBP legally do such a thorough invasion of your privacy?

 

I suppose they could go through your privacy if they felt the need too. If you have nothing to hide it should not matter.

[Mollie09 1,543]

1 minute ago, MrChamploo said:

 

I suppose they could go through your privacy if they felt the need too. If you have nothing to hide it should not matter.

It seems that being critical of the president is "something to hide" now.

Because the first amendment died on January 20th.

[hasheesha 45]

Just now, MrChamploo said:

 

I suppose they could go through your privacy if they felt the need too. If you have nothing to hide it should not matter.

its one thing to not have anything to hide, its another thing giving up your entire life to a CBP officer and trusting them with sensitive info that isnt any of their business. Privacy is a thing...

 

Regardless, i am wondering about the legality of it. I find it difficult to believe that they can do this to US Citizens. A cop cannot just come up to you and confiscate your phone, look through your email and your social media without a court order.

[TBoneTX 45,287]

CBP has the authority to do almost anything at a port of entry, even to U.S. citizens.

[geowrian 22,337]

1 hour ago, hasheesha said:

Also, i have heard accounts of people being detained, their cellphones confiscated, unlocked, their social media posts reviewed and laptops reviewed as well. This is for both US Citizens and GC holders.... is this actually legal? can the CBP legally do such a thorough invasion of your privacy?

It is absolutely legal. There may be some limits for certain classes of people (i.e. USCs or LPRs)  that can be argued in court, but in general you are not entitled to privacy when requesting entry to the US.

 

Edit: That said, I find it laughably ineffective. If there's reason to believe they will check your social media and phone for derogatory information, then would-be terrorists simply won't put that information on their social media and phone.

Edited January 30, 2017 by geowrian

[Crazy Cat 41,845]

1 hour ago, F1H1I130 said:

It seems that being critical of the president is "something to hide" now.

Because the first amendment died on January 20th.

I call BS!!! Posts like the above do NOTHING except spread your hate........the first amendment is alive and well in the USA!!

Edited January 30, 2017 by missileman