Trump's published Immigration policies MEGATHREAD

[MacUK 983]

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On 1st January this year, Her Majesty The Queen made me a Knight of the Realm. On 27th January, President Donald Trump seems to have made me an alien. 

I am a British citizen who has lived in America for the past six years - working hard, contributing to society, paying my taxes and bringing up our four children in the place they now call home. Now, me and many others like me are being told that we may not be welcome. It’s deeply troubling that I will have to tell my children that Daddy might not be able to come home - to explain why the President has introduced a policy that comes from a place of ignorance and prejudice.

I was welcomed into Britain from Somalia at eight years old and given the chance to succeed and realise my dreams. I have been proud to represent my country, win medals for the British people and receive the greatest honour of a knighthood. My story is an example of what can happen when you follow polices of compassion and understanding, not hate and isolation.

Looks like Sir Mo Farah is concerned he's concerned he won't be able to return home.

Apparently he's outside the US at the moment, training in Ethiopia.

[hasheesha 45]

what is going on in this country.... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/29/trump-s-border-patrol-defies-judge-u-s-senator-at-dulles-airport-at-his-first-constitutional-crisis-unfolds.html

[geowrian 22,337]

2 hours ago, Transborderwife said:

This has to be against civil liberties 

Not really. Requiring you to hand over access to information in order to obtain a benefit (immigration) is not a violation. If you were required to hand it over without a choice, or otherwise having a penalty for not doing so, then you would have a civil liberties case.

3 hours ago, cdneh said:

The ACLU cannot revoke an executive order. Neither can the judge that says she's blocked it.

This is patently incorrect. Well, the ACLU can't do anything legally other than bring suit, so that's right. But a federal judge has full authority to rule an EO either in part or in full as in violation of existing law and thereby unenforceable. SCOTUS is not required for such a ruling to be deemed valid. POTUS cannot override existing law, and the judicial branch can make that determination if it does or doesn't.

 

The ruling so far puts a limited stay that prevents deportations for those who the stay covers. A more comprehensive ruling will be made later - the stay was to cover the immediate needs of travelers already here.

[cdneh 3,112]

ONLY if the law in question is unconstitutional. And his executive order isn't. And it stands.

[geowrian 22,337]

8 minutes ago, cdneh said:

ONLY if the law in question is unconstitutional. And his executive order isn't. And it stands.

Not exactly. An EO can be deemed unenforceable if it violates existing law. The executive branch cannot create or override laws. Determining if an EO violates existing law is exactly what the court decides. I think it's dangerous to claim as fact if the order is constitutional or not - even many legal experts disagree on this.

[Rich and Wen 101]

This is a win-win-win for Trump. On the one hand, if it stands, he has fulfilled his campaign promise to end refugees and not allow immigrants from "terrorist countries". And the Republican Congress will not do anything to prevent it.

On the other hand, if it's overturned, he can then say to his base, "Well, I tried to end it. But the liberal press/unelected courts/weak legislators (pick your villain)wouldn't let me."

On the third hand, he can boast to Saudi Arabia/Turkey/UAE that, "I kept you off the list."

 

Scary times in our immigrant community and the larger US community.

[TabeaK 517]

I just heard an interview with a USC who was picking up his Iraqi fiance at the Airport on tv. K1 visa I assume. She got released, after 24h detention, being handcuffed in the process, not being allowed legal representation - and, I am not sure I heard this right - getting no food.

 

I mean, the entire situation is horryfing as is, but why not treat everyone with dignity?

[Usagi_tsukino 89]

2 minutes ago, TabeaK said:

I just heard an interview with a USC who was picking up his Iraqi fiance at the Airport on tv. K1 visa I assume. She got released, after 24h detention, being handcuffed in the process, not being allowed legal representation - and, I am not sure I heard this right - getting no food.

 

I mean, the entire situation is horryfing as is, but why not treat everyone with dignity?

This sounds ridiculous...  But again, so as Holocaust that happened not such a long time ago. They should sue someone and get some good money out of it. Do you have a link to the interview?

[firebird00 66]

I feel that Trump is just flexing his muscles and showing off, especially to his people and the media that I did what I promised during my campaign. But he is only flexing his muscles on the weak ones, can he flex his muscles on Russia? I dont think so, just like he flexed his muscles before on Cuba, seriously, Cuba? The country that probably can't feed its citizens. Anyway, what I believe is that this thing wont last, the only thing he cant get away with is the Syrian refugees ban. Also a ban on GC holders? I dont think so, one of the LPR is that you have the right to live and work in the USA, untill this law changes, nothing much can be done. The reason he signed this on a Friday has also a purpose, he wants most of his people to see it on the media during the weekends. Next week things will be different, hopefully.

[m&zCAIRO 29]

57 minutes ago, firebird00 said:

I feel that Trump is just flexing his muscles and showing off, especially to his people and the media that I did what I promised during my campaign. But he is only flexing his muscles on the weak ones, can he flex his muscles on Russia? I dont think so, just like he flexed his muscles before on Cuba, seriously, Cuba? The country that probably can't feed its citizens. Anyway, what I believe is that this thing wont last, the only thing he cant get away with is the Syrian refugees ban. Also a ban on GC holders? I dont think so, one of the LPR is that you have the right to live and work in the USA, untill this law changes, nothing much can be done. The reason he signed this on a Friday has also a purpose, he wants most of his people to see it on the media during the weekends. Next week things will be different, hopefully.

this is my gut feeling

[medicalguy 11]

One thing that is not talked about here is also just as serious, which is the part that suspends "Other immigration benefits". 

 

 "Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall immediately conduct a review to determine the information needed from any country to adjudicate any visa, admission, or other benefit under the INA (adjudications) in order to determine that the individual seeking the benefit is who the individual claims to be and is not a security or public-safety threat. "

 

What about someone who is from the 7 listed countries, lives in the US and has a 2 year conditional green card and is trying to remove the conditions? Are they now not allowed to proceed with such application? What about applying for naturalization? Are they going to be suspended from naturalizing? 

 

Any confirmed reports on the above? This will clarify probably in the next business week.

Edited January 29, 2017 by medicalguy

[verneforchat 139]

I just saw the news article by Preibus saying that the EO could potentially be expanded to include more than 7 countries?

 

This is alarming.

I spoke to ACLU representative, and they said try to avoid travel outside of US unless it is an emergency.

[verneforchat 139]

6 hours ago, medicalguy said:

They absolutly can if it is deemed unconstitutional, or against US law. 

 

In other news, they just announced that Green Card holders will no longer be affected by this dumb @$$ policy going forward, but who knows if they change this again:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/politics/white-house-official-in-reversal-says-green-card-holders-wont-be-barred.html

They keep changing their stance everyday! This is so unpredictable and scary. 

[Maritah 101]

Posted a few minutes ago in President  Donald J. Trump FB page: 

 

Donald J. Trump

5 mins ·

 

Statement Regarding Recent Executive Order Concerning Extreme Vetting

 

“America is a proud nation of immigrants and we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but we will do so while protecting our own citizens and border. America has always been the land of the free and home of the brave.

We will keep it free and keep it safe, as the media knows, but refuses to say. My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror. To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting.

This is not about religion - this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days.

I have tremendous feeling for the people involved in this horrific humanitarian crisis in Syria. My first priority will always be to protect and serve our country, but as President I will find ways to help all those who are suffering.”

[verneforchat 139]

7 minutes ago, Maritah said:

Posted a few minutes ago in President  Donald J. Trump FB page: 

 

Donald J. Trump

5 mins ·

 

Statement Regarding Recent Executive Order Concerning Extreme Vetting

 

“America is a proud nation of immigrants and we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but we will do so while protecting our own citizens and border. America has always been the land of the free and home of the brave.

We will keep it free and keep it safe, as the media knows, but refuses to say. My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror. To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting.

This is not about religion - this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days.

I have tremendous feeling for the people involved in this horrific humanitarian crisis in Syria. My first priority will always be to protect and serve our country, but as President I will find ways to help all those who are suffering.”

What an asshat!

 

Then why block green card holders? What an outstanding liar and an absolute demented person.

 

So why not ban people from Saudi or Pakistan etc who actually fund and harbor terrorists? Does Guiliani need to remind him of who did 9/11?

Edited January 29, 2017 by verneforchat