best way to proceed? (edited title)

[Barbsway 0]

I am a older American lady that has been dating a younger Egyptian man for 2 years.  I am 58 and he is 27. I know it sounds bad but it is not at all how it sounds. He is so much more mature than his age. I got some advise about fiancé visa verses a marriage visa and was told to go for a fiancé visa so we can also just get married if it didn't work out. I have been reading some discussions on your site about denials for age. My fiancé and I have 3 credit. Adds together, his name is on my phone bill as he has a phone purchased from Verizon for him. I am in the process of adding him to my checking account as I have a power of attorney for him good in the US. I have spent 2 weeks with him in Egypt. We have many things to prove our relationship. Now I am finding out we have a better chance to get this if we would have married. I just got back from Egypt and can't go back for awhile. He has had prior denials 2 for B2 and 2 for F1. They said he did not prove enough ties or convince the consular he would return. Now I don't know what to do. Can you please help me? 

Edited January 2, 2017 by Ryan H
Reason for edit: to change topic title from person's full name.

[Hypnos 6,576]

At this point you've got multiple red flags. 

 

- A large age disparity (more than double)... 

- ...And the female is the older party

- Multiple previous visa denials

- A short amount of face-to-face time

 

Add in the fact that he's Egyptian and you're looking at a higher likelihood that he is using you to get to the US, which is exactly what the embassy is going to think. 

 

Impossible? No, but this is an Everest-sized mountain to climb that may take years to do so, if it's even possible. 

 

You may wish to investigate moving to Egypt or to a third country if you're convinced that your relationship is genuine; that would be a great deal easier. 

Edited January 2, 2017 by Hypnos

[soulstriker 274]

Agreed if you had only one or 2 previous visa denials its not be a big deal  but 4 is alot ,age gap is extremely big ,i would keep taking trips and frontload 

[Ryan H 3,812]

Moved from IMBRA Special Topics to What Visa Do I Need - Family Based Immigration forum.

[geowrian 22,337]

I agree with the others. You have quite a hurdle (or a mountain) in front of you to prove. Genuine or not in your eyes, convincing them will be very tough. Keep in mind it is their job to prevent fraud for both the interest of the US as well as your own interests.

 

Moving forward, you can try for a K1 visa, but the odds sound kind of low and may get held up for a while. Or you can get married the next time you meet in person, and then file for a CR-1 visa. Even then, you will face an uphill battle given the age difference and so many visa denials in the past.

 

The next option is to consider immigrating to his country, if you can. At the very least, I suggest seriously looking at this if the relationship is legit. To be blunt, it will likely be a difficult and pretty long process to get your fiance to the US. After 4 denials, they're probably going to believe that he's visa shopping to find a way into the US. Severe age differences are only a flag and not usually disqualifying by itself, but combined with a high fraud country and the denials, proving your case will be difficult to impossible.

[Barbsway 0]

Thank you so much for all the advise. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if I am allowed in the fiancé visa appointment? I know it seems bleak but I have to have hope that this is going to work. I do love him with all my heart and he loves me as well. I can not afford to move to another country as I am disabled and depend on my medical here in the US. I will make the trip over for the appoint and if it doesn't work out we will marry while I am there. I don't know what else to do. I am the one that sent him the invitation for the B2 visas he went for so they ( counselor) know me very well. I had a Senators office faxx over all his information before he went so they would look at it before he got there because they didn't even look at what he brought the first time. I have wrote the counselor many times. So they know me for sure. 

[KierenHby 899]

Fiances are not allowed in the visa section (spouses may be, but not fiances). 

As others have noted, any CO in any country would see the age disparity and his numerous attempts at visas. Being from Egypt seems to be another hurdle. Irrespective of Senatorial contact, your best bet is to marry and go for a spousal visa. Otherwise you'er looking at a likely denial for a fiance visa costing several months and hundreds of dollars down the drain. 

 

Oh, and be very wary of adding someone you barely know to your checking account. 

[Barbsway 0]

Thanks KierenHby. I know this man very well and am a very cautious person. I trust this man with my life. I know his entire family and have been to where he works as an attorney and have met his best of friends. This is not someone I don't know. But I really appreciate the warning as I am sure it would be warranted for some. 

[EM_Vandaveer 2,408]

Basically the only way to overcome the red flags is plenty of face time. If you were to move over there for, say, 6 to 12 months, get married a couple of months into the visit and file for a spousal visa, heavily document your wedding, plenty of family present, living together, etc, then you'd have a decent chance.

[caliliving 606]

it seems like he is trying very VERY hard to get to the usa! b2 and f1 denials! i would advise you that people are actually trained very very well to scam! sometimes the ENTIRE family is in on it to get them to america... you should be very very cautious about this!!! it also isnt normal for an egyptian man to marry an older woman. i think you have a huge hurdle to overcome and u should be very careful with your finances.  i would hold off on applying for the k1! also, the bad thing with the cr1 is that if it takes 2yrs for him to get, then the minute he enters the USA he is free and i have heard of stories where they come here and u dont even hear a peep from them bc they have the 10yr gc

[Barbsway 0]

8 minutes ago, caliliving said:

 

Thanks KierenHby. I know this man very well and am a very cautious person. I trust this man with my life. I know his entire family and have been to where he works as an attorney and have met his best of friends. This is not someone I don't know. But I really appreciate the warning as I am sure it would be warranted for some. 

Edited January 3, 2017 by Barbsway
Wrong thing posted

[Barbsway 0]

Thank you EM_Vanaveer. You have to be in the US to apply for a spousal visa so I could not apply for it while in Egypt. 

[EM_Vandaveer 2,408]

3 hours ago, Barbsway said:

Thank you EM_Vanaveer. You have to be in the US to apply for a spousal visa so I could not apply for it while in Egypt. 

There is no reason why you couldn't file an I-130 while you are abroad.

Plenty USCs live with there foreign spouses abroad and file for spousal visas for them.

Edited January 3, 2017 by EM_Vandaveer

[USC1961 251]

13 hours ago, Barbsway said:

I am a older American lady that has been dating a younger Egyptian man for 2 years.  I am 58 and he is 27. I know it sounds bad but it is not at all how it sounds. He is so much more mature than his age. I got some advise about fiancé visa verses a marriage visa and was told to go for a fiancé visa so we can also just get married if it didn't work out. I have been reading some discussions on your site about denials for age. My fiancé and I have 3 credit. Adds together, his name is on my phone bill as he has a phone purchased from Verizon for him. I am in the process of adding him to my checking account as I have a power of attorney for him good in the US. I have spent 2 weeks with him in Egypt. We have many things to prove our relationship. Now I am finding out we have a better chance to get this if we would have married. I just got back from Egypt and can't go back for awhile. He has had prior denials 2 for B2 and 2 for F1. They said he did not prove enough ties or convince the consular he would return. Now I don't know what to do. Can you please help me? 

Another huge red flag is the fact you are not married and you have credit together.  You bought a phone for him, and then you want to put him on your bank account??  Those are things that married couples do not fiancees.  It smells of desperation rather than a genuine relationship.  And even more so given the age gap, country of origin and previous visa denials.

Edited January 3, 2017 by Cruise77

[NikLR 13,227]

If he's an attorney, he should be able to afford to have his wife live with him. If you're serious, get married and live in Egypt for 6-12 months as suggested.  You can file the I-130 from abroad.