LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR RED FLAGS

[caybee 21]

He did try everytime she asked say, about the phone, he started to pull out the phone bills, she said no, he did this with more than one item, without cramming them down her throat she didnt want to and wasnt going to look, nothing i had sent in a folder she looked at...

sounds so familiar. we follow the guidelines and provide so much proof...yet it is ignored.

WHY???????

who they h#ll are these people to not at least try to follow their own guidelines???

i'll tell you.

the CO's refuse to look at our proofs because they KNOW we can establish a VALID relationship.

then they (CO's) take our case to a higher officer (minus the proof our men were given back or never ASKED for) to get the second opinion that this is a sham relationship. (remember it takes 2 officers to AGREE the relationship is not valid) well well, it sure DOES appear this couple is not valid since no proofs were given.

how much can we take of this #######??? how can we get this illegal game against us stopped?? these CO are LIARS!!! i proved it in my case. yet they continue to get away with denying valid couples. i know that a case is decided prior to the interview. it has to be. why else would they refuse to see the proof? think about it.

ok ok i am done. this anger will never go away as long as this ####### keeps happening. it makes me so ashamed to be an American! i love my country but it is being bashed by a few employees who abuse their jobs!

chi

Chi, if the interviewing CO refuses to accept the proof, so the second officer never has a chance to see it, do you think it helps at all to spam their fax machine -- to get the proof in by the back door? I mean, when a fax is received, is it treated the same as if someone received it by hand? Wouldn't it then have to go into the file, or could the interviewing officer trash it, legally? It seems like there would be regulations about handling paperwork that contains sensitive information -- Social Security numbers or things like that -- so that it couldn't be left laying around or just tossed if it contained sensitive information. Shredded, maybe. I know rules aren't being followed, but the Privacy Act and so forth are taken pretty seriously by government agencies, and there may be rules that are enforced there that couples could use to their advantage if they only knew what they were. I know that wouldn't help brnid if their file has really been returned already. I'm just wondering if it would help if the beneficiary started cranking out faxes of the proof that wasn't accepted within an hour of a bad interview, before the second officer has had time to sign off. They could have Plan B ready in advance from the USA side: a stack of papers to fax, strongest proof on top, and a header on each page with private info (including petitioner's SSN?) that would cause the page to fall under privacy regulations. Then, if things went badly, the petitioner would call his/her representatives (with a privacy release already in place) and start faxing their proof to the consulate. Maybe this is pie-in-the-sky thinking, and maybe it's been tried. I'm sorry for the pain brnid and so many other folks are going through with this mess.

[frndly1 1]

AMEN

My husband had to quit his job a few months ago because of this process. His job is 9 hrs away from home so we figured that would be too hard for him to keep in case of run arounds (which we got). I've never sent him money, he's never asked. He doesn't ask if I have enough money to get by so why should I worry about him getting by? Maybe that sounds selfish but that's how I feel. He's a grown man who is very capable. If he can't find a job closer to home that's not my problem. He does find the occasional odd job here and there. It's not much but at least it's enough for cigarettes or whatever. It's not my responsibility to support a grown, healthy, capable man.

[mybackpages 0]

Well it's too late to go change the past 5 years, so now what? I'll be lucky if I could afford to go again by next year because it's so much more than a plane ticket, it's a week or two out of work etc etc.

Though if it's a one way ticket, well that's different.

According to your timeline, you should have no problems with USCIS approving your petition becuse you have met the guidelines. The large gap between the time you spent together in the US and one trip to Egypt (which was followed quicky by an engagement) MIGHT be a problem for the consulate. Those Vjers going through Egypt will better be able to give you advise there.

How well documented is your relationship in those 5 years before the engagement? Lots of contact via other means like e-mail, phone records? Perhaps you can offset this potenial red flag by having this documentation spelled out in advance of the interview? Nagishkaw is absolutely right in saying immigration does not care about lack of funds as a legitimate excuse, but perhaps there are other ways to present your case as to tone down the red flags?

Good luck.

Thanks--

I have printouts of emails from 2001-2002 but we both changed email accounts in college and neither one of us have records of emails from august 2002-september 2006, and until 2006 my cell phone was in my father's name so as a result I never got the bills and he didn't keep them. (We had some kind of problem with the house phone that's in my mother's name so besides a phone bill from September 2001 I have nothing). We did focus more on studies than each other through college as well, we really had no idea it might hurt us so much until we started looking into this process. After September 11 mail turned into such a problem for a while (he wouldn't get my letters & I wouldn't get his) that we stopped writing until last year as well, besides email is cheaper...and so was voice chatting, when we used it before we had cell phones. I think we're totally screwed. His cell phone has always been prepaid. We have a lot of documentation from September 2006 on though.

Even though you do have direct access to the old bills, you might be able to get copies of previous bills (or your fsather could). Depends on how long the archives are kept by the phone company. maybe would be worth a call. Even if the results are nothing is available, you can document that you tried to recover information. Just keep good records in case you might need them from this point onward.

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Chi, if the interviewing CO refuses to accept the proof, so the second officer never has a chance to see it, do you think it helps at all to spam their fax machine -- to get the proof in by the back door? I mean, when a fax is received, is it treated the same as if someone received it by hand? Wouldn't it then have to go into the file, or could the interviewing officer trash it, legally? It seems like there would be regulations about handling paperwork that contains sensitive information -- Social Security numbers or things like that -- so that it couldn't be left laying around or just tossed if it contained sensitive information. Shredded, maybe. I know rules aren't being followed, but the Privacy Act and so forth are taken pretty seriously by government agencies, and there may be rules that are enforced there that couples could use to their advantage if they only knew what they were. I know that wouldn't help brnid if their file has really been returned already. I'm just wondering if it would help if the beneficiary started cranking out faxes of the proof that wasn't accepted within an hour of a bad interview, before the second officer has had time to sign off. They could have Plan B ready in advance from the USA side: a stack of papers to fax, strongest proof on top, and a header on each page with private info (including petitioner's SSN?) that would cause the page to fall under privacy regulations. Then, if things went badly, the petitioner would call his/her representatives (with a privacy release already in place) and start faxing their proof to the consulate. Maybe this is pie-in-the-sky thinking, and maybe it's been tried. I'm sorry for the pain brnid and so many other folks are going through with this mess.

it takes all od us brainstorming to try and figure out what we can do should we suffer this horror!

your ideas should very very good.

i would surely be the first to try your suggestions! i have no idea if doing as you have suggested but it is worth a try.

now if who ever gets the faxes will put them with the file...this is the question.

yes i agree that there are very important procedures to follow regarding privacy, but since the CO doesnt follow the basic guidelines about the proofs in the beginning, well what will happen to the faxes. just some of my thoughts.

i do though think you have a great idea! i think it is certainly worth trying. we will not know unless we try it.

i suggested couples get letters form family and friends who know them as a couple to send into the consulate. it seemed to work for one couple but it appears now that the CO's are even ignoring them. these are ppl who are putting their reputations and lives on the line for these couples. surely the CO's should pay attention to them. we are tlaking fraud here. no one would write a letter if they knew they had a chance of being chanrged with fraud. good suggestion for the NOIR's that one gets too. IE real letters from real people.

i like the idea that you are brainstorming here. it shows how much we all are trying to do to really help each other to get through this process.

brnidokiegurl...maybe you can try this? fax all you have to the consulate. sounds like a great idea to me and i am sure it cant hurt.

chi

[limah 1]

He did try everytime she asked say, about the phone, he started to pull out the phone bills, she said no, he did this with more than one item, without cramming them down her throat she didnt want to and wasnt going to look, nothing i had sent in a folder she looked at...

brnidokiegurl

thanks for the link! i plan on signing it and passing it on to all my family and friends.

i hope everyone here checks ou the link to. it is way past time for immigration reform. time to look at all the couples who are denied based on prejudge!!

chi

I've already signed it and passed it on!

Limah

[sarah and hicham 3]

He did try everytime she asked say, about the phone, he started to pull out the phone bills, she said no, he did this with more than one item, without cramming them down her throat she didnt want to and wasnt going to look, nothing i had sent in a folder she looked at...

sounds so familiar. we follow the guidelines and provide so much proof...yet it is ignored.

WHY???????

who they h#ll are these people to not at least try to follow their own guidelines???

i'll tell you.

the CO's refuse to look at our proofs because they KNOW we can establish a VALID relationship.

then they (CO's) take our case to a higher officer (minus the proof our men were given back or never ASKED for) to get the second opinion that this is a sham relationship. (remember it takes 2 officers to AGREE the relationship is not valid) well well, it sure DOES appear this couple is not valid since no proofs were given.

how much can we take of this #######??? how can we get this illegal game against us stopped?? these CO are LIARS!!! i proved it in my case. yet they continue to get away with denying valid couples. i know that a case is decided prior to the interview. it has to be. why else would they refuse to see the proof? think about it.

ok ok i am done. this anger will never go away as long as this ####### keeps happening. it makes me so ashamed to be an American! i love my country but it is being bashed by a few employees who abuse their jobs!

chi

I'm just curious to know if what you wrote above are known facts or speculation. I don't want people to get scared if they don't need to.

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He did try everytime she asked say, about the phone, he started to pull out the phone bills, she said no, he did this with more than one item, without cramming them down her throat she didnt want to and wasnt going to look, nothing i had sent in a folder she looked at...

sounds so familiar. we follow the guidelines and provide so much proof...yet it is ignored.

WHY???????

who they h#ll are these people to not at least try to follow their own guidelines???

i'll tell you.

the CO's refuse to look at our proofs because they KNOW we can establish a VALID relationship.

then they (CO's) take our case to a higher officer (minus the proof our men were given back or never ASKED for) to get the second opinion that this is a sham relationship. (remember it takes 2 officers to AGREE the relationship is not valid) well well, it sure DOES appear this couple is not valid since no proofs were given.

how much can we take of this #######??? how can we get this illegal game against us stopped?? these CO are LIARS!!! i proved it in my case. yet they continue to get away with denying valid couples. i know that a case is decided prior to the interview. it has to be. why else would they refuse to see the proof? think about it.

ok ok i am done. this anger will never go away as long as this ####### keeps happening. it makes me so ashamed to be an American! i love my country but it is being bashed by a few employees who abuse their jobs!

chi

I'm just curious to know if what you wrote above are known facts or speculation. I don't want people to get scared if they don't need to.

what i wrote is FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!

we follow the guidelines and provide so much proof...yet it is ignored.

WHY???????

>>>>>>>>>>> these CO are LIARS!!! i proved it in my case, yet they continue to get away with denying valid couples. i know that a case is decided prior to the interview. it has to be. why else would they refuse to see the proof?

people NEED to be not AFRAID they need to know the FACTS. preparing oneself every step of the way from filing the petition to the POE is needed. there are traps at each step of the process that one needs to be aware of. is that not why VJ is here?

chi

[sarah and hicham 3]

He did try everytime she asked say, about the phone, he started to pull out the phone bills, she said no, he did this with more than one item, without cramming them down her throat she didnt want to and wasnt going to look, nothing i had sent in a folder she looked at...

sounds so familiar. we follow the guidelines and provide so much proof...yet it is ignored.

WHY???????

who they h#ll are these people to not at least try to follow their own guidelines???

i'll tell you.

the CO's refuse to look at our proofs because they KNOW we can establish a VALID relationship.

then they (CO's) take our case to a higher officer (minus the proof our men were given back or never ASKED for) to get the second opinion that this is a sham relationship. (remember it takes 2 officers to AGREE the relationship is not valid) well well, it sure DOES appear this couple is not valid since no proofs were given.

how much can we take of this #######??? how can we get this illegal game against us stopped?? these CO are LIARS!!! i proved it in my case. yet they continue to get away with denying valid couples. i know that a case is decided prior to the interview. it has to be. why else would they refuse to see the proof? think about it.

ok ok i am done. this anger will never go away as long as this ####### keeps happening. it makes me so ashamed to be an American! i love my country but it is being bashed by a few employees who abuse their jobs!

chi

I'm just curious to know if what you wrote above are known facts or speculation. I don't want people to get scared if they don't need to.

what i wrote is FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!

we follow the guidelines and provide so much proof...yet it is ignored.

WHY???????

>>>>>>>>>>> these CO are LIARS!!! i proved it in my case, yet they continue to get away with denying valid couples. i know that a case is decided prior to the interview. it has to be. why else would they refuse to see the proof?

people NEED to be not AFRAID they need to know the FACTS. preparing oneself every step of the way from filing the petition to the POE is needed. there are traps at each step of the process that one needs to be aware of. is that not why VJ is here?

chi

Well in my case we didn't have that problem. The CO was very nice with Hicham and looked at all of the proofs he showed her. I understand that your situation is different but I don't think you can apply your situation to everyone else and scare them by saying the CO's are liars and want to ruin everyone's lives. Did you have red flags in your case? I think it should be advocated that those with red flags such as age differences be prepared and help them in any way possible and prepare them in a positive way instead of scaring everying by saying the CO's are unfair and liars and that they want to ruin our lives. I hope that makes sense. People going through Casa are already nervous enough... let's not apply one situation to everyone else who might not have the same red flags you did or any at all. I know that I was so so so scared before our interview but after I realized that we didn't have any of the red flags that everyone made me so nervous about.

I think for those of you with age differences or other red flags should do all you can now to prepare for the interview and in case of a denial prepare yourselves for after. Contact your congressmen and senators prior to the interview and give them a background of your case so that if you need them right away they will be able to help.

Those of you without red flags should obviously be as prepared as possible and I don't think it's a bad idea to get to know your congressmen as well just in case there is a mishap during your interview. It's not worth it for everyone to develope negative attitude towards Casa and the CO's just because some have gone through negative experiences there. Stay positive!!!

Good luck everyone,

Sarah

Edited April 14, 2007 by sarah and hicham

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Well in my case we didn't have that problem. The CO was very nice with Hicham and looked at all of the proofs he showed her. I understand that your situation is different but I don't think you can apply your situation to everyone else and scare them by saying the CO's are liars and want to ruin everyone's lives. Did you have red flags in your case? I think it should be advocated that those with red flags such as age differences be prepared and help them in any way possible and prepare them in a positive way instead of scaring everying by saying the CO's are unfair and liars and that they want to ruin our lives. I hope that makes sense. People going through Casa are already nervous enough... let's not apply one situation to everyone else who might not have the same red flags you did or any at all. I know that I was so so so scared before our interview but after I realized that we didn't have any of the red flags that everyone made me so nervous about.

I think for those of you with age differences or other red flags should do all you can now to prepare for the interview and in case of a denial prepare yourselves for after. Contact your congressmen and senators prior to the interview and give them a background of your case so that if you need them right away they will be able to help.

Those of you without red flags should obviously be as prepared as possible and I don't think it's a bad idea to get to know your congressmen as well just in case there is a mishap during your interview. It's not worth it for everyone to develope negative attitude towards Casa and the CO's just because some have gone through negative experiences there. Stay positive!!!

Good luck everyone,

Sarah

i am happy Sarah you had a good experience with casa. that doesnt mean that other's have had the same positive experience though (through no fault of their's).

why is there such a differnce??? someone please explain why the CO's attitudes are negative right from the beginning with those who have red flags or as we call them 'issues'?

who can explain this? why does a red flag negate politeness and a fair interview? if theses so called red flags are supposed to be such a big issue, why then for goodness sake(being nice ) are they not considered during the time of application with USCIS???

i ADDRESSED every single "issue/red flag" at the time i filed my petitions. USCIS approved everything, YET the consulte still decided that we had an "invalid relationship for immigration purposes". seems even if you do ADDRESS the issues and red flags with filing the petition the consulates still return the case. WWWHHHYYYYY????

i can pretty much guess, but i am sure many will disagree. here is what i have learned (mostly from reading congressional hearings and such) is the couples who are filing petitions on the behalf of a foreign fiance or spouse become the pawns between USCIS (homeland security) and the consulates (dept of state) for fiancial reasons.

there is one wonderful woman who found this info. it took her a long time to find it. in this meeting, mr mckeever was asking who was going to do the investigating that was being required for non-immigrant and immigrant visas. he said more money would be needed as he didnt have enough staff to do this. he also told one of the ladies here when she spoke to him on the phone that 'he doesnt get paid to talk on the phone'. putting 2+2=more money is wanted/needed to do what is required.

but which dept is the one required to do the investigation in the first place. hmmmm....seems that if your case is cut and dryed so to speak, you will be treated quite nicely by the consulates. on the other hand if you have some 'issues' oh lets say age or how you met then the consulates will just 'kick back' your case to USCIS to review further. this is what the letter says that is given to denied applicants.

if i am off base them someone add it up better for me.

i experienced first hand the rudeness and verbal abuse myself from a CO.

Sarah all this is not amaimed at you. please dont take it like that. i am just replying and adding my own comments and experiences.

i like many other couples who have been denied are just so frustrated with a system that does not work and yet there is no one who can help. thats all. we too want to be treated with respect and fairness. that is not the case for those of us who are denied, plain and simple. i think i echo the sentiment of those couples.

chi

[Jenn! 918]

Chi,

Let me see if I understand you correctly. Part of the consulate's duty is to identify and investigate potential fraud cases. Presumably they are more qulaified to do this then USCIS due to the cultural differences among individual consulates, i.e. a "red flag" in Morocco might not be the same as one in the Philippines. BUT, McKeever et al. are claiming that they only have the capability to do the identification, but not the investigation. Therefore, in lieu of doing the investigation, they are returning the petitions, the mentality being that if DHS is not going to provide the resources for the investigation, they have no other choice but to send the case back to USCIS.

The way I understand that it works at some other consulates is that couples with some suspicion of fraud are placed on AR while the fraud investigation takes place. This is what is missing at Casa. Instead, they are misusing the 221g avenue to return a petition, simply because they lack resources to do their own fraud investigation.

Am I understanding this right???

I wonder whether other "high fraud" consulates receive more funds to do these investigations. If DHS agrees that Morocco is a high fraud consulate, why are they not giving them the necessary funds to carry them out? Seems then that the problem, is NOT with Casa, but rather with fund appropriation by DHS. Why is USCIS not pushing DHS to allocate more funds to Casa?

Interesting info, thanks.

Edited April 14, 2007 by jenn3539

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Chi,

Let me see if I understand you correctly. Part of the consulate's duty is to identify and investigate potential fraud cases. Presumably they are more qulaified to do this then USCIS due to the cultural differences among individual consulates, i.e. a "red flag" in Morocco might not be the same as one in the Philippines. BUT, McKeever et al. are claiming that they only have the capability to do the identification, but not the investigation. Therefore, in lieu of doing the investigation, they are returning the petitions, the mentality being that if DHS is not going to provide the resources for the investigation, they have no other choice but to send the case back to USCIS.

The way I understand that it works at some other consulates is that couples with some suspicion of fraud are placed on AR while the fraud investigation takes place. This is what is missing at Casa. Instead, they are misusing the 221g avenue to return a petition, simply because they lack resources to do their own fraud investigation.

Am I understanding this right???

I wonder whether other "high fraud" consulates receive more funds to do these investigations. If DHS agrees that Morocco is a high fraud consulate, why are they not giving them the necessary funds to carry them out? Seems then that the problem, is NOT with Casa, but rather with fund appropriation by DHS. Why is USCIS not pushing DHS to allocate more funds to Casa?

Interesting info, thanks.

sounds like you understand.

casa asked for more money, ie staff to help but apparently was turned down???

yet if casa is having this problem, why do they have to treat the couples so rudely? why do they refuse to tell us why our case is being sent back? why do they lie and say it will only 3 months to do this? why oh why is what i would like to know as well as many other couples.

why does DHS fund DOS? is this how it goes? i have no idea. do i need to know? crud, i contacted so many ppl in Washington and it all went on deaf ears. who the h$ll cares about us? there are bigger issues in the world/country to solve than whether i can have my husband live with me in my country. i suppose. *sigh* and it goes on.

lucky for us my husband is now here. but it was through much anguish, resources and lots of research on my own that got him here. i meant to this day it still hasnt quite sunk in...HE IS REALLY HERE! no kidding.

in all truthfullness there is no one, not one person who can ever know what it is like to fall into the black hole that those of us who were denied visas can ever feel. it is beyond anything i have ever experienced. we are not criminals. we are just average everyday people. we follow the laws. yet when it came to getting a visa for the person we married/loved we immediately were placed into a catagory of guilty until proven innocent.

i understand that the job CO's have to do is huge. i am the first to say i respect them in that regard. i also know fraud is a good possibility. i just have to look at what has happend there just this week.

but it is the WAY in which they do their job that is WRONG. why not do as some consulates do, have the fiancee/wife attend the interview? body language cant be forged. there are lots of things that could be done but are not.

all due to funding? dang what about my funding? geez louiz there is no way i can compete with federal funds, i am just the average jo!!

any who...

chi

[sarah and hicham 3]

Chiquita-

We all know that USCIS is supposed to approve or deny a petition based mostly on whether or not the couple has met in the past 2 years. Their job is not to address cultural norms as Jenn said.

Once again, what were your red flags?

When I think about the couples who have been denied, their red flags come to mind. Are you saying that red flags have nothing to do with an approval or denial? Why is it always the CO's or Consulates fault that a petition is denied and why do those denied never realize that their red flags might have something to do with it. I don't get it.

There wouldn't be so much talk about red flags if infact they had nothing to do with an approval or denial.

I see some people who are denied and the reason seems so obvious however all they do is blame and bash the Consulate in Casa.

[chiquita 0]

Chiquita-

We all know that USCIS is supposed to approve or deny a petition based mostly on whether or not the couple has met in the past 2 years. Their job is not to address cultural norms as Jenn said.

***i disagree. ***color]

Once again, what were your red flags?

i ***have stated them before. one is age, i am older. another one is i applied for a fiance first then decided to get married and canceled it. of course religion is another one, i am Christain and he is Muslim. culture, i am American, he is Moroccan. all of this was addressed in both of my petitions (i-130 and I-129 at the time of filing).

When I think about the couples who have been denied, their red flags come to mind. Are you saying that red flags have nothing to do with an approval or denial? Why is it always the CO's or Consulates fault that a petition is denied and why do those denied never realize that their red flags might have something to do with it. I don't get it.

*** i am sure you dont sarah because you had no problem getting a visa, how can you even begin to understand? fault? we are talking fault here? how about just simply doing their job to start? what does a red flag have to do with it? a red flag is just an indicator made up by someone to be on the look out. if nothing is found then ok, but if something is found, deal with it. in our case NOTHING was found. heck the CO didnt even look at what proof we had in the first place. i cite that as discrimination ***

There wouldn't be so much talk about red flags if infact they had nothing to do with an approval or denial.

*** why are they even considered in the first place? i am a grown woman, he is a grown man. we have no criminal background, we are well respected in our communities, we both work, we have supportive families. i mean they can investigate us throughly, this i do not mind. it is the deceit i do not like. if we were deceivers ourselves then i could see the consulate doing this. but there was and is no reason for how we were treated.

the bottom line is the consulate is not doing their job. denying a couple and yet the CO refuses to look at our proof??? which BTW we had lots of! i left no stone unturned let me tell you. ***

I see some people who are denied and the reason seems so obvious however all they do is blame and bash the Consulate in Casa.

*** what are the obvious reason? there is only ONE reason to deny a visa to a couple>>>

and that is FRAUD ***

chi

well i tried to separate my answers and i see it didnt work to good...sorry

chi

[mybackpages 0]

It's not fair to Sarah can't understand because she hasn't been through it. I could say someone going through the denial can't understand because that own personal story has colored the perception of the events. Can Anyone understand the pain of receiveing the denial unless they actually experienced it? Probably not, empathy is not the same. But understanding the process of how Casa works, being denied is not a guareentee you understand better.

Now Chiquita has become very knowledgeable about the process, more than many of us because of personal experience, but that isn;t the same as not being able to understand.

[sarah and hicham 3]

It's not fair to Sarah can't understand because she hasn't been through it. I could say someone going through the denial can't understand because that own personal story has colored the perception of the events. Can Anyone understand the pain of receiveing the denial unless they actually experienced it? Probably not, empathy is not the same. But understanding the process of how Casa works, being denied is not a guareentee you understand better.

Now Chiquita has become very knowledgeable about the process, more than many of us because of personal experience, but that isn;t the same as not being able to understand.

Thank you. How can I NOT understand? I read these forums everyday and see denials weekly through Casa. How can red flags NOT have something to do with your denial even if you did address them in your petition. I think it's a good idea to address your red flags from the get go but that doesn't erase them.

I remember one case where a woman was denied and she had several red flags. When she was denied she said it was because the CO was racist. I just don't understand why no one thinks that their red flags are a reason for their denial.

Chiquita if you were a CO in Casa would you approve everyone? Even if you did take the time to look through all proofs does that mean one's red flags don't exist because of the amount of phone records one brings with them? I think it's great to bring the proof but it doesn't mean that it erases someone's red flags. Clearly the CO's review the cases prior to the interview and based on the existence and extent of red flags that might have a huge impact in their decision. Seeing records, emails, photos might not change their minds and magically make red flags dissapear.