Washed up actors crying about Trump and Electoral College

[Dakine10 5,452]

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/its-official-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/

It's still a misleading way of looking at it though. If electoral votes were split proportionately, as has been discussed a few times previously, Clinton would have been ahead by one, so its not like she didn't have a lot of support in other states with only California and a few other blue states balancing that out. In essence, it shows there were way more democrats in red states whose votes are essentially meaningless (in 2016) than the other way around.

Interestingly enough, since split electoral votes have been mentioned in a few threads, 7 of the 15 elections going back to 1960 would have been decided by congress under that scenario (if 270 electoral votes was still kept as the threshold). That means Trump still would have won this election. The only election that definitely would have been different is 1996, where neither candidate had 270 and neither house had a majority.

[OriZ 3,157]

It's still a misleading way of looking at it though. If electoral votes were split proportionately, as has been discussed a few times previously, Clinton would have been ahead by one, so its not like she didn't have a lot of support in other states with only California and a few other blue states balancing that out. In essence, it shows there were way more democrats in red states whose votes are essentially meaningless (in 2016) than the other way around.

Interestingly enough, since split electoral votes have been mentioned in a few threads, 7 of the 15 elections going back to 1960 would have been decided by congress under that scenario (if 270 electoral votes was still kept as the threshold). That means Trump still would have won this election. The only election that definitely would have been different is 1996, where neither candidate had 270 and neither house had a majority.

That is very interesting, thanks. Did you do the math yourself? I had thought about it but couldn't be bothered lol. If so, what kind of proportionality did you use?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

You really need to stop bringing up his intelligence like this. It only makes him look smarter, and you... Not so.

Bankruptcy is a smart move the majority of the time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rhode/here-is-exactly-why-peopl_b_7695826.html

And here is but a very short list of some names you may recognize who have also filed, some multiple times:

Abraham Lincoln - 16th president of the Unites States- twice filed bankruptcy

Ulysses S. Grant - 18th president of the United States

Thomas Jefferson - founding father, author of the Declaration of Independence, 3rd president of the United States

William McKinley - 25th president of the United States

Dave Ramsey - self-professed get out of debt guru

Walt Disney - as in Mickey Mouse and Disneyland

Rembrandt Haremenszoon Van Rijn - Dutch painter

P.T. Barnum - filed for bankruptcy in 1871

Mark Twain - American author

Oscar Wilde - playwright

Henry John Heinz - condiment manufacturer famous for Heinz ketchup (my personal favorite)

Milton Hershey - founder of Hershey's chocolate

Henry Ford - automobile manufacturer

J.C. Penney - founder of the department store chain

Mickey Rooney - actor

Debbie Reynolds - movie actress and hotel/casino owner

Johnny Unitas - NFL Hall of Fame quarterback

Dorothy Hamill - figure skater, Olympian

Bjorn Borg - tennis star

Jerry Lee Lewis - rock and roll star

Burt Reynolds - shortly after his divorce from Loni Anderson

Sherman Hemsley - aka George Jefferson of The Jeffersons sitcom

Gary Busey - actor

Nicholas Cage - actor

Octomom Nadya Suleman - famous procreator

Kim Basinger - actress, former wife of Alec Baldwin

MC Hammer - entertainer, musician, dancer (Hammer Time)

Willie Nelson - country music legend

Larry King - talk show host

Donald Trump - filed two separate Chapter 11 for his hotels/casinos

Mike Tyson - boxer, filed Chapter 11

Joe Lewis - boxer

Warren Sap - NFL football player

Terrell Owens - NFL football player

Leon Spinks - boxer

Stephen Baldwin - actor

Jose Conseco - MLB baseball player

Janice Dickinson, self proclaimed "first supermodel"

Vince Neil - lead singer of Motley Crue

Donna D'Errico, former Baywatch babe and ex-wife of Nikki Sixx of "Motley Crue"

George McGovern - former presidential candidate

John Conally - Texas governor who was injured while riding with President John F. Kennedy at the time of his assignation

what i see is a man who knows how to get things done when bankruptcy, cronyism and flat out fraud are acceptable methods of achievement. there is literally zero he's achieved without those methods. soo, there's that.

Edited December 17, 2016 by LFEHFN

[Dashinka 24,499]

It's still a misleading way of looking at it though. If electoral votes were split proportionately, as has been discussed a few times previously, Clinton would have been ahead by one, so its not like she didn't have a lot of support in other states with only California and a few other blue states balancing that out. In essence, it shows there were way more democrats in red states whose votes are essentially meaningless (in 2016) than the other way around.

Interestingly enough, since split electoral votes have been mentioned in a few threads, 7 of the 15 elections going back to 1960 would have been decided by congress under that scenario (if 270 electoral votes was still kept as the threshold). That means Trump still would have won this election. The only election that definitely would have been different is 1996, where neither candidate had 270 and neither house had a majority.

When you say neither house had a majority in 1996, what exactly do you mean? I thought in 1996, both houses were controlled by the GOP? Other than that, a very interesting analysis. Edited December 17, 2016 by Bill & Katya

[Dakine10 5,452]

When you say neither house had a majority in 1996, what exactly do you mean? I thought in 1996, both houses were controlled by the GOP? Other than that, a very interesting analysis.

For determining the presidency through congress, each state gets one vote. The delegations from each state first vote at the state level to determine who they will vote for president. If the state delegation ends up tied, that state loses it's vote. A majority of 26 states is needed to determine the president, and there were only 25 states with Republican majorities in 1996 and 18 with Democrat. It's possible the Republicans could have picked up one other state of course.

The senate would have elected the vice president, and as far as I can find, if the house does not elect a president, the vice president assumes the role. That would have (possibly) made Jack Kemp the president instead of Clinton.

[Dakine10 5,452]

That is very interesting, thanks. Did you do the math yourself? I had thought about it but couldn't be bothered lol. If so, what kind of proportionality did you use?

It was all online already. It would be interesting to do the math, but I don't know if I could find the time. For this election, I could only find a break down based on popular vote. I imagine because its faster to do that way, although not as accurate. Previous elections seem to be broken down in more ways.

I was surprised all in all how most elections don't change. It made some of the 'landslides' look pretty close, but did't change the outcomes.

[Dashinka 24,499]

For determining the presidency through congress, each state gets one vote. The delegations from each state first vote at the state level to determine who they will vote for president. If the state delegation ends up tied, that state loses it's vote. A majority of 26 states is needed to determine the president, and there were only 25 states with Republican majorities in 1996 and 18 with Democrat. It's possible the Republicans could have picked up one other state of course.

The senate would have elected the vice president, and as far as I can find, if the house does not elect a president, the vice president assumes the role. That would have (possibly) made Jack Kemp the president instead of Clinton.

Thanks for the clarification, I hadn't looked that deeply into the makeup of congress.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Thanks for the clarification, I hadn't looked that deeply into the makeup of congress.

The history of how the 12th amendment came about is actually kind of interesting.

http://electoralcollegehistory.com/electoral/crs-congress.asp

[jg121783 3,915]

I sincerely hope that a fair number of electors' refuse to vote for Donald Trump. He lost the popular vote by nearly three million, and won the electoral college by fewer than sixty thousand votes in three States. Trump has no mandate and has continued to be the same un-Presidential egomaniac he was during his campaign.

Trump and Hillary tailored their campaign strategy towards electoral votes and not the popular votes. Trump ran a better campaign by the rules in place than Hillary did and for that reason he won.the popular vote has no relevance whatsoever. Had the rules been different and the popular vote decided the election both candidates would have run their campaigns differently and Trump still would have won so I don't want to hear anymore whining about the popular vote.

[smilesammich 10,727]

You really need to stop bringing up his intelligence like this. It only makes him look smarter, and you... Not so.

Bankruptcy is a smart move the majority of the time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rhode/here-is-exactly-why-peopl_b_7695826.html

And here is but a very short list of some names you may recognize who have also filed, some multiple times:

Abraham Lincoln - 16th president of the Unites States- twice filed bankruptcy

Ulysses S. Grant - 18th president of the United States

Thomas Jefferson - founding father, author of the Declaration of Independence, 3rd president of the United States

William McKinley - 25th president of the United States

Dave Ramsey - self-professed get out of debt guru

Walt Disney - as in Mickey Mouse and Disneyland

Rembrandt Haremenszoon Van Rijn - Dutch painter

P.T. Barnum - filed for bankruptcy in 1871

Mark Twain - American author

Oscar Wilde - playwright

Henry John Heinz - condiment manufacturer famous for Heinz ketchup (my personal favorite)

Milton Hershey - founder of Hershey's chocolate

Henry Ford - automobile manufacturer

J.C. Penney - founder of the department store chain

Mickey Rooney - actor

Debbie Reynolds - movie actress and hotel/casino owner

Johnny Unitas - NFL Hall of Fame quarterback

Dorothy Hamill - figure skater, Olympian

Bjorn Borg - tennis star

Jerry Lee Lewis - rock and roll star

Burt Reynolds - shortly after his divorce from Loni Anderson

Sherman Hemsley - aka George Jefferson of The Jeffersons sitcom

Gary Busey - actor

Nicholas Cage - actor

Octomom Nadya Suleman - famous procreator

Kim Basinger - actress, former wife of Alec Baldwin

MC Hammer - entertainer, musician, dancer (Hammer Time)

Willie Nelson - country music legend

Larry King - talk show host

Donald Trump - filed two separate Chapter 11 for his hotels/casinos

Mike Tyson - boxer, filed Chapter 11

Joe Lewis - boxer

Warren Sap - NFL football player

Terrell Owens - NFL football player

Leon Spinks - boxer

Stephen Baldwin - actor

Jose Conseco - MLB baseball player

Janice Dickinson, self proclaimed "first supermodel"

Vince Neil - lead singer of Motley Crue

Donna D'Errico, former Baywatch babe and ex-wife of Nikki Sixx of "Motley Crue"

George McGovern - former presidential candidate

John Conally - Texas governor who was injured while riding with President John F. Kennedy at the time of his assignation

seems you believe i had no idea anyone other than donald trump had filed bankruptcy. thanks for the list but it's not needed. where i come from, filing bankruptcy is a huge deal. not a 'smart business move'. guess you're from team elite? i don't think we've met.

[Teddy B 17,252]

seems you believe i had no idea anyone other than donald trump had filed bankruptcy. thanks for the list but it's not needed. where i come from, filing bankruptcy is a huge deal. not a 'smart business move'. guess you're from team elite? i don't think we've met.

That list with the exception of a few, is quite the list of deplorables.

[smilesammich 10,727]

That list with the exception of a few, is quite the list of deplorables.

going over that list thinking, gee wonder how filing bankruptcy was a smart move for mc hammer like..

[Teddy B 17,252]

going over that list thinking, gee wonder how filing bankruptcy was a smart move for mc hammer like..

I hear Octomom really gets her name from filing bankruptcy 8 times.

[smilesammich 10,727]

I hear Octomom really gets her name from filing bankruptcy 8 times.

such a smart business move. all this time i've been paying my debts and i shoulda done the smart, unpresidented thing, and filed bankruptcy! then i don't have to pay my debts! and i can rack up new debt

[Teddy B 17,252]

such a smart business move. all this time i've been paying my debts and i shoulda done the smart, unpresidented thing, and filed bankruptcy! then i don't have to pay my debts! and i can rack up new debt

Next thing you know, you'll be calling 1600 Pennsylvania Ave your new home!