Ohio bill restricting abortions to before a heartbeat is heard

[Ketsuban 1,034]

If needed, I would go to another State, to Canada or to the UK for the procedure. Pregnancy is too dangerous for me. Thankfully I have very reliable birth control and am considering sterilization, though I know neither afford 100% protection. All I can do is touch wood (pun intended).

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

american women's rights are a joke around here.

Now sweetheart nobody is taking this lightly, bless your heart

[smilesammich 10,727]

Now sweetheart nobody is taking this lightly, bless your heart

oh mylanta. was i reading the wrong thread?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

oh mylanta. was i reading the wrong thread?

Sorry. Just having some fun Yes women rights are important, as are all citizens. I just wish everyone would realize regardless of how we feel individually about abortion, in the end we are talking about forcing our beliefs onto someone else. I believe that to be a core principal that guides my beliefs in all matters. It doesn't waffle , like most depending on my individual views, like most liberals and conservatives.

I will say, that I do think there should be some limits, like a viable fetus unless there are aggravating conditions, like life of mother, sever deformity, etc etc.

I have never been a fan of abstinence, and actually have worked most of my life to avoid it

[smilesammich 10,727]

Sorry. Just having some fun Yes women rights are important, as are all citizens. I just wish everyone would realize regardless of how we feel individually about abortion, in the end we are talking about forcing our beliefs onto someone else. I believe that to be a core principal that guides my beliefs in all matters. It doesn't waffle , like most depending on my individual views, like most liberals and conservatives.

I will say, that I do think there should be some limits, like a viable fetus unless there are aggravating conditions, like life of mother, sever deformity, etc etc.

I have never been a fan of abstinence, and actually have worked most of my life to avoid it

you had me until you started going on about limits. let's keep this convo straight to what's on the table. bills like these are going to be popping up everywhere once trump gets his scotus pick, who he has promised will be ready to scrap roe vs wade. and sorry if this comes off sexist, but i don't really care about any man's opinion concerning a woman's right to health decisions concerning her body. not at all.

[OriZ 3,157]

you had me until you started going on about limits. let's keep this convo straight to what's on the table. bills like these are going to be popping up everywhere once trump gets his scotus pick, who he has promised will be ready to scrap roe vs wade. and sorry if this comes off sexist, but i don't really care about any man's opinion concerning a woman's right to health decisions concerning her body. not at all.

Yeah, I don't care either....but I do care once it stops being just her body.

[TBoneTX 45,288]

von Hippel-Lindau (VHL) syndrome, multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2 (MEN 2), and neurofibromatosis type 1 (NF1)

English-only outside the regional forums. Reported!!!

1. Never heard of it referred to as Bilharziasis, only know it as schistosomiasis.

2. Not sure if this is some inside joke

1. Cross-ref'd in Dorland's. Bill Harzias was the first victim (or researcher who named it).

2. Outcome of opening pages at random and poking finger with eyes closed.

Surprising that no punk-rock group has named itself Pheochromocytoma.

Edited December 8, 2016 by TBoneTX

[smilesammich 10,727]

Yeah, I don't care either....but I do care once it stops being just her body.

and unless it is your significant other, still none of your business. what entitles you to weigh in on medical decisions of complete strangers?

[OriZ 3,157]

and unless it is your significant other, still none of your business. what entitles you to weigh in on medical decisions of complete strangers?

Then it is nobody's business if they murder their child one month after it is born either...sorry, I see no difference there.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Then it is nobody's business if they murder their child one month after it is born either...sorry, I see no difference there.

well, take a biology class. that's really all there is to it.

[OriZ 3,157]

well, take a biology class. that's really all there is to it.

No need for biology class, plenty of experts would agree once viable it's no less as alive. Like I said before I don't have a problem with abortions before viability, now where to determine viability is another discussion.

[smilesammich 10,727]

No need for biology class, plenty of experts would agree once viable it's no less as alive. Like I said before I don't have a problem with abortions before viability, now where to determine viability is another discussion.

i was talking specifically about this bill, which has nothing to do with viability.

eta; also, not factual that a viable pregnancy is the same as a one month old baby.

Edited December 8, 2016 by smilesammich

[OriZ 3,157]

i was talking specifically about this bill, which has nothing to do with viability.

eta; also, not factual that a viable pregnancy is the same as a one month old baby.

I was replying to your reply to NB, and NB was talking about limits like a viable fetus in general, not just pertaining to this bill. Sorry for the misunderstanding Carry on.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Then it is nobody's business if they murder their child one month after it is born either...sorry, I see no difference there.

Not murder. We've gone over this before. You cannot murder someone who has not yet been born.

[bcking 3,157]

Not murder. We've gone over this before. You cannot murder someone who has not yet been born.

Agreed.

Biologically a "viable" fetus is NOT the same thing as a living baby. Also legally it is not the same. I highly doubt we will ever be able to change the laws to truly make a viable fetus "living", because if the death of a viable fetus is murder, then women are guilty of manslaughter when they have a late fetal loss.

While I agree that post-viability terminations are something that should be avoided when possible, I dont think we should ever get to the point that they are considered "murder"