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[ya falaha! 0]

I agree

These are either really naive women or really dumb women. Or both. No offense to any one in particular but I, personally, wouldn't think (if I were 50) that a 20 something dude would be sincerely into me. Same goes if I were extremely overweight or unattractive and some hot young thang was all up in my grill. I would think the guy was up to something.

I still do not think that the men /women are naive. They know what is going on or what could happen. How can one be sure of anything???

I would have to disagree with that. How else is it that we see overweight divorcees with children who developed an online relationship with MENA men 20 years their junior going over to a MENA country to marry a man they have never spent any time with in person? I'm not talking about anyone in particular here, just threw together most of the stereotypes.

[Marry American 0]

I still do not think that the men /women are naive. They know what is going on or what could happen. How can one be sure of anything???

I would have to disagree with that. How else is it that we see overweight divorcees with children who developed an online relationship with MENA men 20 years their junior going over to a MENA country to marry a man they have never spent any time with in person? I'm not talking about anyone in particular here, just threw together most of the stereotypes.

So what exactly do you disagree with? You think overweight divorced older women are not aware of what could possibly happen?

The way I see it, it's not a possibility, it's a probability. And no, I don't think they've accepted it.

Maybe not accepted but surely everyone is aware of all possibilities: even younger, skinny, unmarried women. Anyone could be getting duped. What makes anyone so sure of their situation. I was married for almost 16 years, yet still unsure of growing old together.

What is one of one of the stereotypes, "he will get a greencard and then bring his girlfriend over here".

[Jenn! 918]

I still do not think that the men /women are naive. They know what is going on or what could happen. How can one be sure of anything???

I would have to disagree with that. How else is it that we see overweight divorcees with children who developed an online relationship with MENA men 20 years their junior going over to a MENA country to marry a man they have never spent any time with in person? I'm not talking about anyone in particular here, just threw together most of the stereotypes.

So what exactly do you disagree with? You think overweight divorced older women are not aware of what could possibly happen?

The way I see it, it's not a possibility, it's a probability. And no, I don't think they've accepted it.

Maybe not accepted but surely everyone is aware of all possibilities: even younger, skinny, unmarried women. Anyone could be getting duped. What makes anyone so sure of their situation. I was married for almost 16 years, yet still unsure of growing old together.

What is one of one of the stereotypes, "he will get a greencard and then bring his girlfriend over here".

I don't think that anyone has suggested that fraud can't happen to anyone, but we're talking about probabilities here. There is a reason that certain things are seen as red-flags by the consulates.

[Marry American 0]

I still do not think that the men /women are naive. They know what is going on or what could happen. How can one be sure of anything???

I would have to disagree with that. How else is it that we see overweight divorcees with children who developed an online relationship with MENA men 20 years their junior going over to a MENA country to marry a man they have never spent any time with in person? I'm not talking about anyone in particular here, just threw together most of the stereotypes.

So what exactly do you disagree with? You think overweight divorced older women are not aware of what could possibly happen?

The way I see it, it's not a possibility, it's a probability. And no, I don't think they've accepted it.

Maybe not accepted but surely everyone is aware of all possibilities: even younger, skinny, unmarried women. Anyone could be getting duped. What makes anyone so sure of their situation. I was married for almost 16 years, yet still unsure of growing old together.

What is one of one of the stereotypes, "he will get a greencard and then bring his girlfriend over here".

I don't think that anyone has suggested that fraud can't happen to anyone, but we're talking about probabilities here. There is a reason that certain things are seen as red-flags by the consulates.

Redflags are just that-redflags for the consulate to determine.

[jade2004 0]

omg...guys...this is going way far beyond the point now....what the ####### are we arguing with each other about? Okay some people like constructive criticism----some don't....fact still remains the same...people are going to do what they want to do no matter what!! Whether someone voices their opinion...or people marry that don't fit together....The world is screwed up...people dup each other everyday....best friends dup each other; parents dup their kids; strangers dup women they meet on the internet...can we fix it??? Of course not, because we all still have that ''free will'' thing....

we don't have to all be cheerleaders....that isn't how the world works...everyone CAN'T be....everyone can't be ''happy go lucky''...it will totally screw up the balance...so we have establishted that some of us are more positive...some of us not...either way...we are still all here for the same reason. So if anything, let's not cast stones at others for things that they have done...or that some of us are overweight or some of us are older. So what??? I just am not seeing the point here anymore...I mean the original poster is not even here anymore.

[Jenn! 918]

I still do not think that the men /women are naive. They know what is going on or what could happen. How can one be sure of anything???

I would have to disagree with that. How else is it that we see overweight divorcees with children who developed an online relationship with MENA men 20 years their junior going over to a MENA country to marry a man they have never spent any time with in person? I'm not talking about anyone in particular here, just threw together most of the stereotypes.

So what exactly do you disagree with? You think overweight divorced older women are not aware of what could possibly happen?

The way I see it, it's not a possibility, it's a probability. And no, I don't think they've accepted it.

Maybe not accepted but surely everyone is aware of all possibilities: even younger, skinny, unmarried women. Anyone could be getting duped. What makes anyone so sure of their situation. I was married for almost 16 years, yet still unsure of growing old together.

What is one of one of the stereotypes, "he will get a greencard and then bring his girlfriend over here".

I don't think that anyone has suggested that fraud can't happen to anyone, but we're talking about probabilities here. There is a reason that certain things are seen as red-flags by the consulates.

Redflags are just that-redflags for the consulate to determine.

So you are saying that the consulates just randomly decided what they were going to consider red-flags and that it has nothing to do with an increased chance of fraud?

[Marry American 0]

I still do not think that the men /women are naive. They know what is going on or what could happen. How can one be sure of anything???

I would have to disagree with that. How else is it that we see overweight divorcees with children who developed an online relationship with MENA men 20 years their junior going over to a MENA country to marry a man they have never spent any time with in person? I'm not talking about anyone in particular here, just threw together most of the stereotypes.

So what exactly do you disagree with? You think overweight divorced older women are not aware of what could possibly happen?

The way I see it, it's not a possibility, it's a probability. And no, I don't think they've accepted it.

Maybe not accepted but surely everyone is aware of all possibilities: even younger, skinny, unmarried women. Anyone could be getting duped. What makes anyone so sure of their situation. I was married for almost 16 years, yet still unsure of growing old together.

What is one of one of the stereotypes, "he will get a greencard and then bring his girlfriend over here".

I don't think that anyone has suggested that fraud can't happen to anyone, but we're talking about probabilities here. There is a reason that certain things are seen as red-flags by the consulates.

Redflags are just that-redflags for the consulate to determine.

So you are saying that the consulates just randomly decided what they were going to consider red-flags and that it has nothing to do with an increased chance of fraud?

No, I am saying that making someone aware of what could be possible redflags is a waste of time. Simply because people are aware of their situation more than anyone else. I feel that it does not need to be broadcasted on an innocent thread asking for language help.

Dating MENA men-you hear of all the possible outcomes. All anyone has to do is their own research.

[chiquita 0]

Well, I do "get it". I am madly in love with Omer from Turkey, and we have spoken every night on the phone since August. His English is terrible, but it is good enough for us to connect to each other and our feelings. I'm currently enrolled in two Turkish language classes, but my progress is at a snails pace...

That being said, yes, when we were together over the winter break, we often did charades with enormous laghter. We hardly ever needed the dictionary. But, we are just plain in love, and figure it all out.

The interview will be a challenge, but more importantly, coming to the states will be pure culture shock.

You shouldn't put down people because of language barriers. Just a thought.

sorry, my 'puter crashed and i was offline for a bit.

ok now...

i dont think anyone is 'putting her down'. i think she is getting some good advice here.

'love does not a relationship make'

it takes a lot of hard work to make any marriage work folks. throw in no common language, intercultral differences and maybe religious diffs too and of course the big age differences and one can only imagine what a CO will conjure up! the best thing she did was ask the question about the language so she can find out there are going to be problems with getting him here!

this is facts people! if you want to go on thinking that love will get you a visa, i want to tell ya....

BIG WRONG--O!!!

a couple needs to prepare for this process as there is no absolute guarantee the American government will issue a visa to ANY person. it is 'considered' a privilege if one is issued. we as Americans take our 'rights' for granted. getting a visa issued for the person we love from an other country is NOT a freedom we have. it is a privilege only.

just wanted you to know. i didnt know this way back in 03 and boy did i hear it from VJ'ers! like they said...do your homework!!! it is a very difficult, expensive, long process and you need the facts up front to avoid any potentional problems.

chi

[Jenn! 918]

I just am not seeing the point here anymore...I mean the original poster is not even here anymore.

At this point, the discussion is well beyond the scope of the OP. Topics tend to stray sometimes and I do think the discussion is worthwhile even if it's not related to the OP. MBP suggested a while back that we move the topic to another thread, but unfortunately that didn't really take.

[chiquita 0]

No, I am saying that making someone aware of what could be possible redflags is a waste of time. Simply because people are aware of their situation more than anyone else. I feel that it does not need to be broadcasted on an innocent thread asking for language help.

that is a very SAD statement. if it is just a waste of time, then the couple deserve what they get. this is a very difficult process and one needs as much info as possible to get through it sucessfully.

Dating MENA men-you hear of all the possible outcomes. All anyone has to do is their own research.

i wish it was that easy.

chi

[chiquita 0]

omg...guys...this is going way far beyond the point now....what the ####### are we arguing with each other about? Okay some people like constructive criticism----some don't....fact still remains the same...people are going to do what they want to do no matter what!! Whether someone voices their opinion...or people marry that don't fit together....The world is screwed up...people dup each other everyday....best friends dup each other; parents dup their kids; strangers dup women they meet on the internet...can we fix it??? Of course not, because we all still have that ''free will'' thing....

we don't have to all be cheerleaders....that isn't how the world works...everyone CAN'T be....everyone can't be ''happy go lucky''...it will totally screw up the balance...so we have establishted that some of us are more positive...some of us not...either way...we are still all here for the same reason. So if anything, let's not cast stones at others for things that they have done...or that some of us are overweight or some of us are older. So what??? I just am not seeing the point here anymore...I mean the original poster is not even here anymore.

ok i am lost??? what is all this about now??? i was just wanting the poster to know she has some issues and was just trying to help.

hey if anyone gets deneid a visa, well let me know and i will do my best to help.

from my point of view, PREVENTING the denial/return of a petition is a heck of a lot better. ahhh but just my opinion...

chi

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Personally, I'm grateful to those who took the time to educate me on the weight age differences carry at the consulate, not to mention the other great advice I've received here. It doesn't take a Ph.D. to know that there is the way of "love" and the way of the consulate and the two don't often meet. Marriage in the visa process is as much of a business transaction as it is a joining of two souls, what's called "due diligence" in legal parlance. You need to know a lot about each other to complete the process effectively and successfully. Love, is great, but not much is romantic about the visa process.

[chiquita 0]

Redflags are just that-redflags for the consulate to determine.

hello...knock knock, not sure where you got that idea. red flags get the petition RETURNED to USCIS asking that the petition be REVOKED!!! the CO needs no concrete evidence to do this!!! if one wants to be laxadaisical about it, why bother? even filing a petition??

chi

Redflags are just that-redflags for the consulate to determine.

hello...knock knock, not sure where you got that idea. red flags get the petition RETURNED to USCIS asking that the petition be REVOKED!!! the CO needs no concrete evidence to do this!!! if one wants to be laxadaisical about it, why bother? even filing a petition??

chi

[maggieNomar 0]

No, I am saying that making someone aware of what could be possible redflags is a waste of time. Simply because people are aware of their situation more than anyone else. I feel that it does not need to be broadcasted on an innocent thread asking for language help.

Dating MENA men-you hear of all the possible outcomes. All anyone has to do is their own research.

I do not believe that making people aware of red flags is a waste of time. Beating them into the ground for continuing their quest is. I am glad that people not only made me aware of red flags in my case, but also told me how to deal with them in advance. I didn't get blindsided, because I was prepared and was able to prepare my SO also. We both knew how we felt about our own particulars and therefore were comfortable with the questions, even from the CO. Had we not discussed this in advance, he may have gotten worked up at the interview. which may have made the CO suspicious. I'm happy that I was warned by those who had gone before me. Thanks guys!!

[peezey 0]

I just am not seeing the point here anymore...I mean the original poster is not even here anymore.

At this point, the discussion is well beyond the scope of the OP. Topics tend to stray sometimes and I do think the discussion is worthwhile even if it's not related to the OP.

I agree. This comes up time and time again and there are quite a lot of new VJers here in MENA who might not know to go back and search and figure out all the ins and outs of each case and what has and hasn't worked in the past. This discussion is always worthwhile.