Texas wife indicted after lover killed

[slim 1,525]

So you don't think that the fact the guy was fleeing when he was shot is relevant at all? The "rape" had already stopped happening.

Without a doubt, if the wife was still in the truck, and the "rape" escalated into a "rape/kidnapping" then the man had more than every right (and responsibility) to stop the crime by any means available.

If she was out of the truck, the man still had every right to prevent the "rapist" from fleeing, also by any means necessary. (Remember, this happened in Texas....)

This story didn't get into detail on exactly how the incident unfolded, but from the sounds of it, the man came home, reasonably believed his wife was being, or had just been, raped, and proceeded to take action to stop further crime against himself or loved ones from happening.

If baffles me how anyone can believe the world would be a better place if people were "allowed" to rape someone's wife, then drive off without fear of anything happening to them except for the police eventually catching them.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Really. One liberal poster says we shouldn't believe our wife if she says she has/is being raped. I'll believe my wife every time. In fact, I'll help any woman screaming rape.

Sure - but would you believe your wife if she had a history of affairs...?

If my wife yelled rape I would believe her. If she had a history of affairs she wouldn't be my wife.

[slim 1,525]

If my wife yelled rape I would believe her. If she had a history of affairs she wouldn't be my wife.

[Jenn! 918]

If baffles me how anyone can believe the world would be a better place if people were "allowed" to rape someone's wife, then drive off without fear of anything happening to them except for the police eventually catching them.

I don't understand what the alternative is though, besides giving ordinary citizens the right to shoot unarmed people who they suspect of having committed a crime in the back.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If she had a history of affairs she wouldn't be my wife.

Different strokes for different folks.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If baffles me how anyone can believe the world would be a better place if people were "allowed" to rape someone's wife, then drive off without fear of anything happening to them except for the police eventually catching them.

I don't understand what the alternative is though, besides giving ordinary citizens the right to shoot unarmed people who they suspect of having committed a crime in the back.

That's why context is often important in these cases and also why they are so difficult to judge (and the judgments are generally inconsistent). For instance, a person can go free for shooting a burglar who charged at them with a knife, but be jailed for shooting a burglar in the back as they are running out the door and posing no direct threat.

[slim 1,525]

I don't understand what the alternative is though, besides giving ordinary citizens the right to shoot unarmed people who they suspect of having committed a crime in the back.

The alternative is to have a Texas-style justice system in which shooting someone, even in the back, is justified under certain circumstances as decided by a jury of peers.

Ordinary citizens everywhere have the right to protect themselves and loved ones from violent crime. Rape is a violent crime. This guy thought his wife was, or just had been, raped. He didn't suspect the "rapist" of commiting a crime, his wife told him it was/had happened. For most men, law enforcement or ordinary citizens, if their wife tells them she's being, or has been, the victim of a violent crime, they're going to do everything they can to stop it from escalating.

That's what this guy did. And that's what we all should do.

I guess what you're trying to argue is that the husband shouldn't have shot the guy or shouldn't have had the right to shoot the guy because the husband wasn't a cop, and therefore lacked the training necessary to make split-second assesments of events and take appropriate action, to protect his wife (and possibly himself) from violent crime and because the guy was fleeing, he wasn't posing a danger to the wife or husband anymore, and shouldn't have been shot, but should've been apprehended later by the appropriate authorities.

That's a logical argument, and I almost agree with it. But here's where my views differ from yours. What if I (or you with your S/O) were to come home and find my wife, the most important person in my whole world, the person that I would die for, the person that without which, life itself is not worth living..... what if I (or you with your S/O) came home to find that person being violated in the worst way by someone, and all I could do was say "please stop" and then hope the police caught that person. Is that justice? Would I be able to live with myself for "stopping" my wife's rapist?

I believe when we take away our own right to protect ourselves, we leave ourselves wide open to anyone that wants to do us harm. And don't kid yourself and say "the police will catch the bad guys." They may. But does that stop you from living the rest of your life knowing you did nothing to stop this action from happening? From looking at your wife, knowing she was violated by someone and you did nothing?

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Slim, you're arguing with people that believe there is never an opportunity to justifiably use a gun under any circumstance.

Someone comes home to find their entire family being raped.... you:

a. shoot them

b. call 911

c. assume it's consensual, apologize and leave

d. give them a time-out

[almaty 19]

i am agreement with bro slim.///i have always have had a pistol and other weapons, taught to shoot them when young...and would shoot someone if i felt threaten or a family member was in harm's way...

i bought more guns, when i was started being a therapist, many years ago, after working with clients..i have received at least 10 death threats, one serious, where a guy brought a knife to stab me..cause he blame me for losing his ssi check ..................

Edited April 12, 2007 by almaty

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Slim, you're arguing with people that believe there is never an opportunity to justifiably use a gun under any circumstance.

Someone comes home to find their entire family being raped.... you:

a. shoot them

b. call 911

c. assume it's consensual, apologize and leave

d. give them a time-out

Now its gone from the wife to the 'whole family'? Jeez... You're not a fan of Charles Bronson movies are you?

Edited April 12, 2007 by erekose

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Slim, you're arguing with people that believe there is never an opportunity to justifiably use a gun under any circumstance.

Someone comes home to find their entire family being raped.... you:

a. shoot them

b. call 911

c. assume it's consensual, apologize and leave

d. give them a time-out

or...

If the guy is fleeing the scene, you'd immediately come to the aid of your wife first. That would have been my first reaction. Then, after I noticed she had no visible physical trauma, I'd write the guy's license number down and call the police. Call that being a pansy...I call it using common sense. And the end result (if I were the husband in this particular case) ? I would not have to spend a single day in jail for my wife's lie.

Edited April 12, 2007 by Steven_and_Jinky

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Slim, you're arguing with people that believe there is never an opportunity to justifiably use a gun under any circumstance.

Someone comes home to find their entire family being raped.... you:

a. shoot them

b. call 911

c. assume it's consensual, apologize and leave

d. give them a time-out

Now its gone from the wife to the 'whole family'? Jeez... You're not a fan of Charles Bronson movies are you?

I'm more the Dirty Harry type.

[Peikko 1,575]

If baffles me how anyone can believe the world would be a better place if people were "allowed" to rape someone's wife, then drive off without fear of anything happening to them except for the police eventually catching them.

You are saying that the police are an unnecessary convenience and that everyone should be able to make life and death decisions based on their split second judgement of any given situation. Oh, for the good old pioneer days when justice was meeted out in this way, yes?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Slim, you're arguing with people that believe there is never an opportunity to justifiably use a gun under any circumstance.

Someone comes home to find their entire family being raped.... you:

a. shoot them

b. call 911

c. assume it's consensual, apologize and leave

d. give them a time-out

Now its gone from the wife to the 'whole family'? Jeez... You're not a fan of Charles Bronson movies are you?

I'm more the Dirty Harry type.

The Death Wish movies were terrible. Michael Winner seemed to be unable to direct a harrowing rape scene without making it look like the woman is enjoying it.

[Peikko 1,575]

I believe when we take away our own right to protect ourselves, we leave ourselves wide open to anyone that wants to do us harm. And don't kid yourself and say "the police will catch the bad guys." They may. But does that stop you from living the rest of your life knowing you did nothing to stop this action from happening? From looking at your wife, knowing she was violated by someone and you did nothing?

Or, as in this scenario, you are left with the knowledge that you shot and killed someone who wasn't committing rape. I guess because they did commit adultary, that makes it sit comfortably though?