Texas wife indicted after lover killed

[Jenn! 918]

Of the ten states with the highest violent crime rates for 2003, seven have relatively permissive gun laws, and three are relatively strict, requiring legal affidavits stating special need before one can be issued a temporary license to carry a handgun.:

1 South Carolina

2 Florida

3 Maryland

4 Tennessee

5 New Mexico

6 Delaware

7 Louisiana

8 Nevada

9 Alaska

10 California

Source: FBI's Uniform Crime Report, 2003

You can selectively pull statistics to support any argument.

Edited April 8, 2007 by jenn3539

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Agreed - but these are all things that are managed and governed by laws (same with cigarettes, which is another example). I'm for increasing certain legal controls on firearms (concealed carry permits). In UK we had some fairly stringent laws on the ownership and availability of firearms BEFORE the 1995 Dunblane massacre. That was only allowed to happen once, in the US its happened at least half a dozen times in the last 7 years, let alone the last 12. That said, I'm willing to admit there's probably more to that phenomenon than the availability of firearms, but clearly it plays a part.

here's some ground truth for you in regards for a kansas state cch license. many other states are quite similar:

- a concealed carry holder is fingerprinted and such records held by the kansas bureau of investigation

- legally owns the firearm they are carrying (not stolen)

- has no felony convictions, history of mental illness, or conviction of domestic violence - all proven by a background check by the state to insure he/she is legally authorized to be a cch

- attended a course of instruction that includes both state and federal laws

- certified by the course instructor, who has long laundry list of qualifications (usually the instructor is an off duty policeman)

so while you are against this sort of thing, i believe you're way out in left field on it as i've never seen one single story about a cch carrier using their firearm to rob, carjack, and so on. perhaps while you are ranting about concealed carry, you can provide some statistics that show concealed carry permit holders violate the law more than the average percentage of the usa.

i'm still waiting.........

Of the ten states with the highest violent crime rates for 2003, seven have relatively permissive gun laws, and three are relatively strict, requiring legal affidavits stating special need before one can be issued a temporary license to carry a handgun.:

1 South Carolina

2 Florida

3 Maryland

4 Tennessee

5 New Mexico

6 Delaware

7 Louisiana

8 Nevada

9 Alaska

10 California

Source: FBI's Uniform Crime Report, 2003

You can selectively pull statistics to support any argument.

also of note - texas is not on that list, and texas has cch.

[brnidokiegurl 0]

Charles you will probably have a long wait for that one, here where i work we issued those permits to carry the guns, i will check and see if anyone has those numbers but im quite sure the guy out there robbing and killing isnt the one signing up to carry the guns. Actually i would imagine even the age range is more leaning towards the elder citizen from what ive seen.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Agreed - but these are all things that are managed and governed by laws (same with cigarettes, which is another example). I'm for increasing certain legal controls on firearms (concealed carry permits). In UK we had some fairly stringent laws on the ownership and availability of firearms BEFORE the 1995 Dunblane massacre. That was only allowed to happen once, in the US its happened at least half a dozen times in the last 7 years, let alone the last 12. That said, I'm willing to admit there's probably more to that phenomenon than the availability of firearms, but clearly it plays a part.

here's some ground truth for you in regards for a kansas state cch license. many other states are quite similar:

- a concealed carry holder is fingerprinted and such records held by the kansas bureau of investigation

- legally owns the firearm they are carrying (not stolen)

- has no felony convictions, history of mental illness, or conviction of domestic violence - all proven by a background check by the state to insure he/she is legally authorized to be a cch

- attended a course of instruction that includes both state and federal laws

- certified by the course instructor, who has long laundry list of qualifications (usually the instructor is an off duty policeman)

so while you are against this sort of thing, i believe you're way out in left field on it as i've never seen one single story about a cch carrier using their firearm to rob, carjack, and so on. perhaps while you are ranting about concealed carry, you can provide some statistics that show concealed carry permit holders violate the law more than the average percentage of the usa.

i'm still waiting.........http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n285/nessaandcharles/foottap.gif

You'll be waiting a long time I think - considering that you mischaracterised a difference of opinion as a rant. You did that in the thread about the "unbiased BBC" also.

All I know is that the UK which has strict controls on firearms has nothing like the level of criminal activity that you find across the united states - which has variously liberal gun-laws and capital punishment.

Edited April 12, 2007 by erekose

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Charles, didja HAVE to play the LURKER?!!!!?

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Charles you will probably have a long wait for that one, here where i work we issued those permits to carry the guns, i will check and see if anyone has those numbers but im quite sure the guy out there robbing and killing isnt the one signing up to carry the guns. Actually i would imagine even the age range is more leaning towards the elder citizen from what ive seen.

I'm shocked!!! Criminals aren't lining up for permits??????

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Charles you will probably have a long wait for that one, here where i work we issued those permits to carry the guns, i will check and see if anyone has those numbers but im quite sure the guy out there robbing and killing isnt the one signing up to carry the guns. Actually i would imagine even the age range is more leaning towards the elder citizen from what ive seen.

I'm shocked!!! Criminals aren't lining up for permits??????

Who shoots and kills their loved ones more often, criminals or 'law-abiding', registered gun owners?

How many criminals get driver's licenses?

[Amby 490]

I think it's about time they did something about it. That women is nuts.

[slim 1,525]

I can't believe this has turned into a 16 page thread.

A man came home and found his wife being "raped" by another man.

Why would he not do anything he could to stop this from happening?

Guns, Concealed Carry Laws, Property Owner's Rights, Criminal Statistics... whatever. It doesn't matter what arguement you make, if you see your wife in a truck with another man and she tells you she's being raped, what are you gonna do?

[Jenn! 918]

I can't believe this has turned into a 16 page thread.

A man came home and found his wife being "raped" by another man.

Why would he not do anything he could to stop this from happening?

Guns, Concealed Carry Laws, Property Owner's Rights, Criminal Statistics... whatever. It doesn't matter what arguement you make, if you see your wife in a truck with another man and she tells you she's being raped, what are you gonna do?

So you don't think that the fact the guy was fleeing when he was shot is relevant at all? The "rape" had already stopped happening.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I can't believe this has turned into a 16 page thread.

A man came home and found his wife being "raped" by another man.

Why would he not do anything he could to stop this from happening?

Guns, Concealed Carry Laws, Property Owner's Rights, Criminal Statistics... whatever. It doesn't matter what arguement you make, if you see your wife in a truck with another man and she tells you she's being raped, what are you gonna do?

Hypothetically the choice is clear. In this case it really depends on whether the facts of this case were really that clear-cut. I don't think the OP article includes all the information pertaining to the incident - certainly from the article alone you don't get a very clear idea of the specifics of the situation. Not being privy to the police report (or indeed knowing too much about the couple involved) its hard to say.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I can't believe this has turned into a 16 page thread.

A man came home and found his wife being "raped" by another man.

Why would he not do anything he could to stop this from happening?

Guns, Concealed Carry Laws, Property Owner's Rights, Criminal Statistics... whatever. It doesn't matter what arguement you make, if you see your wife in a truck with another man and she tells you she's being raped, what are you gonna do?

Hypothetically the choice is clear. In this case it really depends on whether the facts of this case were really that clear-cut. I don't think the OP article includes all the information pertaining to the incident - certainly from the article alone you don't get a very clear idea of the specifics of the situation. Not being privy to the police report (or indeed knowing too much about the couple involved) its hard to say.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I can't believe this has turned into a 16 page thread.

A man came home and found his wife being "raped" by another man.

Why would he not do anything he could to stop this from happening?

Guns, Concealed Carry Laws, Property Owner's Rights, Criminal Statistics... whatever. It doesn't matter what arguement you make, if you see your wife in a truck with another man and she tells you she's being raped, what are you gonna do?

Hypothetically the choice is clear. In this case it really depends on whether the facts of this case were really that clear-cut. I don't think the OP article includes all the information pertaining to the incident - certainly from the article alone you don't get a very clear idea of the specifics of the situation. Not being privy to the police report (or indeed knowing too much about the couple involved) its hard to say.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I can't believe this has turned into a 16 page thread.

A man came home and found his wife being "raped" by another man.

Why would he not do anything he could to stop this from happening?

Guns, Concealed Carry Laws, Property Owner's Rights, Criminal Statistics... whatever. It doesn't matter what arguement you make, if you see your wife in a truck with another man and she tells you she's being raped, what are you gonna do?

Really. One liberal poster says we shouldn't believe our wife if she says she has/is being raped. I'll believe my wife every time. In fact, I'll help any woman screaming rape.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Really. One liberal poster says we shouldn't believe our wife if she says she has/is being raped. I'll believe my wife every time. In fact, I'll help any woman screaming rape.

Sure - but would you believe your wife if she had a history of affairs...?