Ohio State active shooter reported; suspect dead, 8 injured [corrected title]

[eieio 1,594]

I think we can all be thankful that this particular Muslim was killed.

[Boiler 45,533]

Sounds Islamophobic, he died for Allah.

Lots of virgins.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I care about the many hundreds killed every year in Chicago by illegal gun owners in a tightly controlled city

We have all read your teary eyed posts on the subject.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Sounds Islamophobic, he died for Allah.

Lots of virgins.

[MarkPerry 488]

Yes, foreign born and a funny name so onward Christian soldiers!

I just got back home from being in East Texas and fishing for 2 days.. No internet, no news. But it seems as if they are saying ISIS inspired.

You sir tend to be the type of person whom sticks there head in the sand and is scared to look around and confront reality. One can't be scared to call a spade a spade, this being politically correct stuff keeps getting US Citizens killed or injured. This is getting old, and ISIS / Al Queda is doing there best to disrupt our way of life in the USA.

It is time for the USA to protect ourselves and stop taking people from countries where ISIS has strong holds.

[smilesammich 10,727]

I just got back home from being in East Texas and fishing for 2 days.. No internet, no news. But it seems as if they are saying ISIS inspired.

You sir tend to be the type of person whom sticks there head in the sand and is scared to look around and confront reality. One can't be scared to call a spade a spade, this being politically correct stuff keeps getting US Citizens killed or injured. This is getting old, and ISIS / Al Queda is doing there best to disrupt our way of life in the USA.

It is time for the USA to protect ourselves and stop taking people from countries where ISIS has strong holds.

it's called xenophobia, and you're riddled with it. with all of the refugees that live in this country, that love this country, that contribute to the benefit of this country, you should be ashamed of yourself for not recognizing your own little plot of sand and well worn head hole..

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I just got back home from being in East Texas and fishing for 2 days.. No internet, no news. But it seems as if they are saying ISIS inspired.

You sir tend to be the type of person whom sticks there head in the sand and is scared to look around and confront reality. One can't be scared to call a spade a spade, this being politically correct stuff keeps getting US Citizens killed or injured. This is getting old, and ISIS / Al Queda is doing there best to disrupt our way of life in the USA.

It is time for the USA to protect ourselves and stop taking people from countries where ISIS has strong holds.

You sir, seem to want to believe extreme measures must be taken despite the relatively miniscule impact (not minimizing the actual victims of actual Islamic terrorist attacks on US soil) and rarity, most especially compared to the daily US gun carnage and violence committed by other means in the US.

Sorry but the number of Muslims in the US, refugees, native born, immigrants etc do not add up to the extreme measures you and Tweetsolini Trump advocate dumping the Constitution and historic desire to be inclusive to combat.

None of the above indicates, nor should be construed as my failing to recognize that ISIS aren't horrible people with a seriously bent agenda, nor that I don't think they desire to cause harm on US soil.

[Boiler 45,533]

Much better to wait until it becomes a major issue and harder to deal with.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Much better to wait until it becomes a major issue and harder to deal with.

Not really, but it's the 'solution' and extremely anti-Constitutional nature of the holders of the position have that is the much larger problem on US soil right now.

I am sure Tweetsolini will solve this once he takes the oath.

[Boiler 45,533]

Not really, but it's the 'solution' and extremely anti-Constitutional nature of the holders of the position have that is the much larger problem on US soil right now.

I am sure Tweetsolini will solve this once he takes the oath.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact" is a phrase in American political and legal discourse. The phrase expresses the belief that constitutional restrictions on governmental power must be balanced against the need for survival of the state and its people. It is most often attributed to Abraham Lincoln, as a response to charges that he was violating the United States Constitution by suspending habeas corpus during the American Civil War. Although the phrase echoes statements made by Lincoln, and although versions of the sentiment have been advanced at various times in American history, the precise phrase "suicide pact" was first used by Justice Robert H. Jackson in his dissenting opinion in Terminiello v. Chicago, a 1949 free speech case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. The phrase also appears in the same context in Kennedy v. Mendoza-Martinez, a 1963 U.S. Supreme Court decision written by Justice Arthur Goldberg.

Edited December 1, 2016 by Boiler

[bcking 3,157]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact" is a phrase in American political and legal discourse. The phrase expresses the belief that constitutional restrictions on governmental power must be balanced against the need for survival of the state and its people. It is most often attributed to Abraham Lincoln, as a response to charges that he was violating the United States Constitution by suspending habeas corpus during the American Civil War. Although the phrase echoes statements made by Lincoln, and although versions of the sentiment have been advanced at various times in American history, the precise phrase "suicide pact" was first used by Justice Robert H. Jackson in his dissenting opinion in Terminiello v. Chicago, a 1949 free speech case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. The phrase also appears in the same context in Kennedy v. Mendoza-Martinez, a 1963 U.S. Supreme Court decision written by Justice Arthur Goldberg.

That is a slippery slope. Even during the Civil War I think we could have easily gone too far.

I could also make the case that the phrase could apply to the Second Amendments and restricting access to weapons. Not saying we SHOULD do that, I'm just saying I think it is a hard idea to know when and how to apply.

EDIT: Also, you should have quotations around that entire text since you just copy/pasted it from the Wikipedia article.

Edited December 1, 2016 by bcking

[Boiler 45,533]

Just pointing out that this is not the first time this situation has had to be addressed and it will not be the last.

Anyway I thought the Constitution is a living breathing document?

[bcking 3,157]

Just pointing out that this is not the first time this situation has had to be addressed and it will not be the last.

Anyway I thought the Constitution is a living breathing document?

I completely agree. I think the original writers never attended for us to hold up the constitution as this ultimately heavenly god given tome. I think we need to adjust it to fit our needs.

I just think you can't pick and choose. If you want to fight tooth and nail for the 2nd amendment, but say maybe we need to reconsider others, that is a little hypocritical. Not saying you personally think this. I can just predict people applying the idea of change to certain aspects of the constitution while still thinking others (2nd amendment) should be written in stone.

[Boiler 45,533]

I am not saying we need to reconsider others, the issues being discussed here are not certainly in the main a Constitutional issue, you could say that without action the 2nd becomes more important.

[bcking 3,157]

I am not saying we need to reconsider others, the issues being discussed here are not certainly in the main a Constitutional issue, you could say that without action the 2nd becomes more important.

I mean I agree that immigration isn't really a "Constitutional" issue since the constitution doesn't actually grant the federal govern any control over immigration. However, if we aren't talking about a constitution issue then why did you bring up the quote regarding "the constitution is not a suicide pact"? Doesn't really apply here since the constitution doesn't really apply to immigration. People more knowledgeable about law and government can weigh in but I'm not even sure if the federal government could pass a "ban" on certain groups of people. I believe states could overrule the "ban" since it is not a constitutionally given federal power.