Trump demands apology from "Hamilton " staff

[Jacque67 7,328]

Good grief!!! I wonder how many here expressing moral outrage ever attend the theatre?? It shouldn't be a safe space!!! How ridiculous.

Pence is supporting a guy who has flirted with the idea of a Muslim registry, and has named sessions for AG. One of the lines in the show is "immigrants: we get things done" . He must be extremely naive if he thought he wouldn't get booed-he'll, he has been booed at Indiana baseball games. (NB he hasn't complained, only the vulgarian trump has).

If he wanted have a safe time, he could have seen the phantom or the lion king;) !!

I'm sure if Obama went to see a musical called "Hitler hits Vegas", he might expect a reaction.

[Rob L 3,811]

I'm sure there are shows out there where the entire POINT of the show is someone talking about their political beliefs. Don't people like Bill Maher host entire shows of just them on stage?

It all depends on what the production is. I agree that at a Circus or Ice Capades it would be a little bit unexpected since it is completely off topic. I agree that at Hamilton it was also a little bit unexpected (but I would still argue not QUITE as off topic as if it was at the circus). Now that it has happened, now we know that Hamilton is the kind of show where they will express what they believe. People can choose to continue to go to it or not.

I can think of other musicals where I think it would have been similarly "unexpected" but also not all that bad.

There was a show called Spring Awakening that was on Broadway about 8 years ago. Spoiler alert but one of the main characters dies after her mother forces her to go to an underground "doctor" for an abortion. If the cast of that show decided to stand up at the end and make a statement about laws protecting safe places for women to obtain abortions I don't think it would be "Oh my god so crazy they did that!".

Plays as a form of art often times push mesages within the productions. Some do it more explicitly than others. I think Hamilton, without them making that speech, is already clearly against some of the policies that Pence believes in. I think just watching the show it is clear. THey decided to take it one step further and be very explicitly about their belief. That's there right as artists.

I hope you are getting that list from somewhere else and not personally going through it all right now. The people who agree with you aren't going to click the links because we have seen all of it already. The people who don't agree with you won't change their mind because you make a list.

Just don't want you wasting time on this.

Yeah I copied, I cannot even type as fast as Trump can hurl insults

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Boohoo

Mike Pence's family suffers some jeers while his policies and efforts rip families apart and create a lower class of citizenry.

I am pretty sure none of his policies have been implemented yet, and I assume you mean Trump's policies. Rant on

[Rob L 3,811]

I am pretty sure none of his policies have been implemented yet, and I assume you mean Trump's policies. Rant on

I have been hearing that Ford and Apple have already changed their policies based on Trumps influence

Good grief!!! I wonder how many here expressing moral outrage ever attend the theatre?? It shouldn't be a safe space!!! How ridiculous.

Pence is supporting a guy who has flirted with the idea of a Muslim registry, and has named sessions for AG. One of the lines in the show is "immigrants: we get things done" . He must be extremely naive if he thought he wouldn't get booed-he'll, he has been booed at Indiana baseball games. (NB he hasn't complained, only the vulgarian trump has).

If he wanted have a safe time, he could have seen the phantom or the lion king;) !!

I'm sure if Obama went to see a musical called "Hitler hits Vegas", he might expect a reaction.

I did google it, "Hitler hits Vegas" is not really a musical, yet

[bcking 3,157]

You can revisit whatever you'd like. When a person attends a non political event as a leisurely spectator, (political figure or not) that person should have the expectancy and a right as a paying customer of not being made into the ringside show.

I think our major difference is in what we consider a play to be.

I think a play can be political or not political. It's up to the playwright and the production. They can be as political as they want, or completely non-political.

I think the problem here is that the perception was that it was a non-political play (I would disagree with that but I can accept that if people haven't seen it they might not automatically realize that while it is about American History, it is very much a modern play about modern political topics). Now that it is clear that this is a show that is political, people can decide whether or not they want to continue to support it. That's just how theatre works.

[bcking 3,157]

I am pretty sure none of his policies have been implemented yet, and I assume you mean Trump's policies. Rant on

Mike Pence is a Governor so technically he does have policies that have been implemented. Just not National policies.

Continue.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Good grief!!! I wonder how many here expressing moral outrage ever attend the theatre?? It shouldn't be a safe space!!! How ridiculous.

Pence is supporting a guy who has flirted with the idea of a Muslim registry, and has named sessions for AG. One of the lines in the show is "immigrants: we get things done" . He must be extremely naive if he thought he wouldn't get booed-he'll, he has been booed at Indiana baseball games. (NB he hasn't complained, only the vulgarian trump has).

If he wanted have a safe time, he could have seen the phantom or the lion king;) !!

I'm sure if Obama went to see a musical called "Hitler hits Vegas", he might expect a reaction.

I haven't seen anyone expressing outrage either way. A safe space? No, that's not what I'm referring to. I really have no issue with Pence being booed by the crowd, that's a normal and customary reaction. I also wouldn't have any issue with him being cheered either. My only issue is with the cast taking it upon themselves to make a spectacle of a person attending their show as a leisurely spectator for political gain. I believe this crosses a moral line. It's fine that you don't.

[Rob L 3,811]

Shakespeare did not really shy away from using the stage for politics

1) “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” (“Hamlet”)

2) “One may smile, and smile, and be a villain.” (“Hamlet”)

3) “I am a man more sinned against than sinning.” (“King Lear”)

4) “Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under’t.” (“Macbeth”)

5) “I wasted time, and now doth time waste me.” (“Richard II”)

6) “Plain and not honest is too harsh a style.” (“Richard III”)

7) “The commonwealth is sick of their own choice.” (“Henry IV, Part II”)

8) “Virtue is choked with foul ambition.” (“Henry VI, Part II”)

9) “He doth bestride the narrow world like a Colossus, and we petty men walk under his huge legs, and peep about to find ourselves dishonorable graves.” (“Julius Caesar”)

I haven't seen anyone expressing outrage either way. A safe space? No, that's not what I'm referring to. I really have no issue with Pence being booed by the crowd, that's a normal and customary reaction. I also wouldn't have any issue with him being cheered either. My only issue is with the cast taking it upon themselves to make a spectacle of a person attending their show as a leisurely spectator for political gain. I believe this crosses a moral line. It's fine that you don't.

I accept your belief that this crosses a moral line.

[bcking 3,157]

I haven't seen anyone expressing outrage either way. A safe space? No, that's not what I'm referring to. I really have no issue with Pence being booed by the crowd, that's a normal and customary reaction. I also wouldn't have any issue with him being cheered either. My only issue is with the cast taking it upon themselves to make a spectacle of a person attending their show as a leisurely spectator for political gain. I believe this crosses a moral line. It's fine that you don't.

It's so interesting because I believe the audience crossed a "moral line" more than the cast members. Booing someone who is "off the clock" and is wanting to enjoy an event with his family is "bad behavior" in my opinion. I very much dislike Pence's policies, but I wouldn't boo him if he walked into a concert I happened to be watching, or walked into a movie theatre.

The cast members were performing in a play with political messages. They decided, as a group and with the support of the production company and playwright, to use the opportunity where they had a key distinguished audience member who will be involved in policy making that they have strong beliefs in to express to him their hope that he will stand up for them, respect and protect their rights as citizens. They did it in a polite way, they thanked him for being there, they called him Sir. They didn't insult or heckle. They used the opportunity to politely address him. Seemed reasonable to me.

I think at this point we are quite circular and should probably just move on though since we clearly disagree with one another (which is okay).

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I haven't seen anyone expressing outrage either way. A safe space? No, that's not what I'm referring to. I really have no issue with Pence being booed by the crowd, that's a normal and customary reaction. I also wouldn't have any issue with him being cheered either. My only issue is with the cast taking it upon themselves to make a spectacle of a person attending their show as a leisurely spectator for political gain. I believe this crosses a moral line. It's fine that you don't.

and most rational people would think this. Trump could resurrect Mother Teresa and make her secretary of Health and Human services and the Clitonistas in here would loose their mind

Shakespeare did not really shy away from using the stage for politics

1) “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” (“Hamlet”)

2) “One may smile, and smile, and be a villain.” (“Hamlet”)

3) “I am a man more sinned against than sinning.” (“King Lear”)

4) “Look like the innocent flower, but be the serpent under’t.” (“Macbeth”)

5) “I wasted time, and now doth time waste me.” (“Richard II”)

6) “Plain and not honest is too harsh a style.” (“Richard III”)

7) “The commonwealth is sick of their own choice.” (“Henry IV, Part II”)

8) “Virtue is choked with foul ambition.” (“Henry VI, Part II”)

9) “He doth bestride the narrow world like a Colossus, and we petty men walk under his huge legs, and peep about to find ourselves dishonorable graves.” (“Julius Caesar”)

I accept your belief that this crosses a moral line.

[Rob L 3,811]

The casting of Hamilton is intentional and fits with its production. Having a Hispanic "immigrant" Hamilton and a black Jefferson is part of the production, in my opinion. It serves a purpose.

Have you seen Matilda? I really liked that musical as well, in terms of recent productions. Tim Minchin is very clever and very funny.

Having a Black Jefferson means that his descendants through Sally Hemmings could play their grandfather

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Having a Black Jefferson means that his descendants through Sally Hemmings could play their grandfather

[Rob L 3,811]

Interesting response

[Jacque67 7,328]

I have been hearing that Ford and Apple have already changed their policies based on Trumps influence

I did google it, "Hitler hits Vegas" is not really a musical, yet

Working on Eva does Dallas as we speak.

[Rob L 3,811]

Working on Eva does Dallas as we speak.

I have friends that funded "Memphis" let me know if you come up with the winner as I want in early.