More than half the 112 anti-Trump protesters arrested in Portland didn't even vote Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3938928/More-ha

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Agreed. The election was filled with poor word choices on both sides unfortunately.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Regardless it was a poor choice of of words on her part

I just fainted ?

[JayJayH 546]

Regardless it was a poor choice of of words on her part

I agree. While I certainly think there are a number of people who voted for Trump because they're 'deplorable', I really think it fed into this overall narrative of "smug Washington liberal' who doesn't care about the base. I also think such smugness can be classified as deplorable in a number of ways.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I agree. While I certainly think there are a number of people who voted for Trump because they're 'deplorable', I really think it fed into this overall narrative of "smug Washington liberal' who doesn't care about the base. I also think such smugness can be classified as deplorable in a number of ways.

You always seem to nail it. I voted for Trump bUT at one point was leaning heavily toward Johnson. I might have considered Sanders had he won. That hardly makes me a racist deplorable ignorant .

I truly despised Hillary, because she is a smug elitist, who was in bed with those who are killing the country.

I am a social constitutional moderate/liberal. However I think shutting down illegal immigration is very important. I am also provides strong defense, notice I said defense, that does not include being the world's police

I think Trump is the best choice to shake things up on both sides of the aisle.

I also despise labeling Trump and his supporters Racist and homophobes, cause it just isn't true.

I agree. While I certainly think there are a number of people who voted for Trump because they're 'deplorable', I really think it fed into this overall narrative of "smug Washington liberal' who doesn't care about the base. I also think such smugness can be classified as deplorable in a number of ways.

You always seem to nail it. I voted for Trump bUT at one point was leaning heavily toward Johnson. I might have considered Sanders had he won. That hardly makes me a racist deplorable ignorant .

I truly despised Hillary, because she is a smug elitist, who was in bed with those who are killing the country.

I am a social constitutional moderate/liberal. However I think shutting down illegal immigration is very important. I am also provides strong defense, notice I said defense, that does not include being the world's police

I think Trump is the best choice to shake things up on both sides of the aisle.

I also despise labeling Trump and his supporters Racist and homophobes, cause it just isn't true.

[JayJayH 546]

You always seem to nail it. I voted for Trump bUT at one point was leaning heavily toward Johnson. I might have considered Sanders had he won. That hardly makes me a racist deplorable ignorant .

I truly despised Hillary, because she is a smug elitist, who was in bed with those who are killing the country.

I am a social constitutional moderate/liberal. However I think shutting down illegal immigration is very important. I am also provides strong defense, notice I said defense, that does not include being the world's police

I think Trump is the best choice to shake things up on both sides of the aisle.

I also despise labeling Trump and his supporters Racist and homophobes, cause it just isn't true.

You always seem to nail it. I voted for Trump bUT at one point was leaning heavily toward Johnson. I might have considered Sanders had he won. That hardly makes me a racist deplorable ignorant .

I truly despised Hillary, because she is a smug elitist, who was in bed with those who are killing the country.

I am a social constitutional moderate/liberal. However I think shutting down illegal immigration is very important. I am also provides strong defense, notice I said defense, that does not include being the world's police

I think Trump is the best choice to shake things up on both sides of the aisle.

I also despise labeling Trump and his supporters Racist and homophobes, cause it just isn't true.

Thanks.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

I think this article, in a very creative way, nails what a lot of left-leaning urban voters don't understand about middle America.

Take the Star Wars analogy. Luke is a farm boy who lives in a sparsely populated area on Tatooine. All he wants is to be left alone.

Who are the bad guys? Well, they dress in strange clothes and live in a densely populated, shiny space station, wanting to inflict their influence on the likes of Skywalkers around the Galaxy. Take the Hunger Games. Katniss lives in a destitute, impoverished sector where all they really want is to be left alone. Meanwhile, all power lies in the Capitol, where people look down on the likes of Katniss, and try to inflict their influence and 'stupid clothes' on 'good folks' from the country side. As Johnathan Pie put liberal bewilderedness: "It's almost as if the political acumen of Jay-Z and Beyonce count for nothing."

I admit, it was difficult for me to put myself in that mindset at first. But I lived in small-town America for a year as a 'big city', liberal European foreign exchange student during the Bush years. When I went to college in Los Angeles, people would frequently tell me "ooh..... I'm sorry.." when I told them where I lived before. It took me a while to reconcile the fact that some of the absolute best, most loving and caring people I have ever met, were also ardent 2nd amendment supporters and pro-life, and that preserving their way of life was as important to them, as mine was to me.

While I think coastal America needs to reach out a hand to middle America - Or at least understand it better, I also think middle America could learn a thing or two from the big city. But this is also why I think we're making a mistake when we take too much power away from the states. A country as diverse as the U.S. functions when we have a diversity of states, with very limited federal reach to uphold fundamental constitutional rights.

Edited November 17, 2016 by JayJayH

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You always seem to nail it. I voted for Trump bUT at one point was leaning heavily toward Johnson. I might have considered Sanders had he won. That hardly makes me a racist deplorable ignorant .

I truly despised Hillary, because she is a smug elitist, who was in bed with those who are killing the country.

I am a social constitutional moderate/liberal. However I think shutting down illegal immigration is very important. I am also provides strong defense, notice I said defense, that does not include being the world's police

I think Trump is the best choice to shake things up on both sides of the aisle.

I also despise labeling Trump and his supporters Racist and homophobes, cause it just isn't true.

You always seem to nail it. I voted for Trump bUT at one point was leaning heavily toward Johnson. I might have considered Sanders had he won. That hardly makes me a racist deplorable ignorant .

I truly despised Hillary, because she is a smug elitist, who was in bed with those who are killing the country.

I am a social constitutional moderate/liberal. However I think shutting down illegal immigration is very important. I am also provides strong defense, notice I said defense, that does not include being the world's police

I think Trump is the best choice to shake things up on both sides of the aisle.

I also despise labeling Trump and his supporters Racist and homophobes, cause it just isn't true.

1. Donald John Trump has one ideology and one God : Donald John Trump. There is no there there which is one of the scarier things about the man. Every Bolt, Newt or Bannon will have a crack at taking his policies down the rabbit hole

2. You are not a moderate, hate to break it to you.

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I bet LIB and Kip just rolled over in their graves.

I just fainted ?

[Teddy B 17,252]

1. Donald John Trump has one ideology and one God : Donald John Trump. There is no there there which is one of the scarier things about the man. Every Bolt, Newt or Bannon will have a crack at taking his policies down the rabbit hole

2. You are not a moderate, hate to break it to you.

Say it isn't so!

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1. Donald John Trump has one ideology and one God : Donald John Trump. There is no there there which is one of the scarier things about the man. Every Bolt, Newt or Bannon will have a crack at taking his policies down the rabbit hole

2. You are not a moderate, hate to break it to you.

That's cause you so slipped off into the MDL , that dotted yellow line looks like a distant mirage

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Thanks.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

I think this article, in a very creative way, nails what a lot of left-leaning urban voters don't understand about middle America.

Take the Star Wars analogy. Luke is a farm boy who lives in a sparsely populated area on Tatooine. All he wants is to be left alone.

Who are the bad guys? Well, they dress in strange clothes and live in a densely populated, shiny space station, wanting to inflict their influence on the likes of Skywalkers around the Galaxy. Take the Hunger Games. Katniss lives in a destitute, impoverished sector where all they really want is to be left alone. Meanwhile, all power lies in the Capitol, where people look down on the likes of Katniss, and try to inflict their influence and 'stupid clothes' on 'good folks' from the country side. As Johnathan Pie put liberal bewilderedness: "It's almost as if the political acumen of Jay-Z and Beyonce count for nothing."

I admit, it was difficult for me to put myself in that mindset at first. But I lived in small-town America for a year as a 'big city', liberal European foreign exchange student during the Bush years. When I went to college in Los Angeles, people would frequently tell me "ooh..... I'm sorry.." when I told them where I lived before. It took me a while to reconcile the fact that some of the absolute best, most loving and caring people I have ever met, were also ardent 2nd amendment supporters and pro-life, and that preserving their way of life was as important to them, as mine was to me.

While I think coastal America needs to reach out a hand to middle America - Or at least understand it better, I also think middle America could learn a thing or two from the big city. But this is also why I think we're making a mistake when we take too much power away from the states. A country as diverse as the U.S. functions when we have a diversity of states, with very limited federal reach to uphold fundamental constitutional rights.

I'm not sure your metaphors are all that sound...

Take the Hunger Games - Katniss lives in an impoverished sector where all they want is FREEDOM, not just to be "left alone". The central sectors abuse them for and force them, without any form of representation, to mass produce individual "crops/products" (each sector) for the benefit of the central city. Not sure that really applies to the real world

Luke doesn't want to just be "left alone". Even before his aunt and uncle were killed he dreamed of leaving. I actually WANTED to join the Flight Academy. Remember when he whines to his uncle when he breaks his promise?

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That's cause you so slipped off into the MDL , that dotted yellow line looks like a distant mirage

Nature Boy, you say you are a social constitional moderate/liberal. So where do you stand on things like LGBQT rights, abortion and other "social" issues? If you are truly moderate/liberal, does Trump's attitudes towards those concern you? Or do you agree with his positions (which I would not consider moderate or liberal). Honest question.

I think if you compartmentalize everything about Trump I could find a couple of things I prefer in him over Clinton, I admit that. I just can't compartmentalize it and there were more "deal breakers" for me when voting for him than Clinton. As I said in another thread none of those issues directly alter my personal life, but I am a strong believer in freedom for each individual and I think those issues fall into that category. Arguing it is "religious freedom" to allow people to force other people to align with their beliefs is wrong, in my opinion.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I support equal rights for all, LGBT are inclusive of that but not separate.

I am Pro choice

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I support equal rights for all, LGBT are inclusive of that but not separate.

I am Pro choice

So how do you reconcile that with a Trump presidency? Are you concerned? Or do you not believe the things he said during the campaign trail? (Which would be a valid stance considering in the past he has been much more socially liberal than he let on in the last year, so perhaps it was all for show).

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Look for Roe Vs Wade to be overturned after Ginsburn dies or retires. It will revert back to the states choice

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

So how do you reconcile that with a Trump presidency? Are you concerned? Or do you not believe the things he said during the campaign trail? (Which would be a valid stance considering in the past he has been much more socially liberal than he let on in the last year, so perhaps it was all for show).

Well he has already said he is ok with gay and transgender issues.

As for abortion I think it's pretty settled

I am not a one issue voter. I pick the one I align with the most.

Immigration reform, Bring jobs back to the USA, support of the constitution and justices that support the constitution were much more important to me.

When asked whatkind of judges they would appoint to the court Hillary prattle on about a bunch of agendas. Trump said judges that supported the constitution