Violent Democrats Protest in California and Elsewhere

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

yep, and the left behind phenomena has been building for a while. dnc should have recognized but they've been too busy concerned with insular circle jerking.

If The DNC had not rigged the Primary against Bernie, He may be President elect now

[smilesammich 10,727]

If The DNC had not rigged the Primary against Bernie, He may be President elect now

maybe, maybe not. 'socialist' is still a big label to overcome. not the point, i'm just saying that there are liberals who were very much aware of the 'forgotten working class' & "working class whites". i'm one of them, because i'm surrounded on all sides by them. like i said, i live in trump country and i've been following this "poor angry white" angle since the 2004 election. i had a feeling trump would win over the summer but i allowed the reasoning that larger cities and blue leaning swing states wouldn't allow such a thing to happen put it out of my mind. but i guess that's what happens when you've been pampered two consecutive wins - both of which i thought would never, ever happen. especially not 2008. but yep, the whitelash struck.

and really, i don't equate 'white' with 'racist' (before you go on).

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

maybe, maybe not. 'socialist' is still a big label to overcome. not the point, i'm just saying that there are liberals who were very much aware of the 'forgotten working class' & "working class whites". i'm one of them, because i'm surrounded on all sides by them. like i said, i live in trump country and i've been following this "poor angry white" angle since the 2004 election. i had a feeling trump would win over the summer but i allowed the reasoning that larger cities and blue leaning swing states wouldn't allow such a thing to happen put it out of my mind. but i guess that's what happens when you've been pampered two consecutive wins - both of which i thought would never, ever happen. especially not 2008. but yep, the whitelash struck.

and really, i don't equate 'white' with 'racist' (before you go on).

why do you equate white with Racist ?

[smilesammich 10,727]

why do you equate white with Racist ?

fine. you don't want discussion, i'll let you big boys hold hands and form a circle

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Sad that this is happening. Just hope (as disrespectful as burning the flag is to me personally) that it stays at this level, and does not become hurting people or burning and stealing others' property.

[bcking 3,157]

Sad that this is happening. Just hope (as disrespectful as burning the flag is to me personally) that it stays at this level, and does not become hurting people or burning and stealing others' property.

One thing we can agree on. Just hope you realize that not ALL liberals are doing that, no matter how much we disagree with the President-elect. Same way that I know not all conservatives are racists, or they aren't all gung ho about all of the things Trump said.

I think one of the major problems with our politics is that people on both sides like to see things/the other side as very black/white. If you vote for Trump, you must believe X. If you vote for Hillary, you're a Y. Yada yada. Things are much more complicated and I think when you simplify things that much it makes it very easy for everyone to hate everyone else.

[Merrytooth 5,748]

maybe, maybe not. 'socialist' is still a big label to overcome. not the point, i'm just saying that there are liberals who were very much aware of the 'forgotten working class' & "working class whites". i'm one of them, because i'm surrounded on all sides by them. like i said, i live in trump country and i've been following this "poor angry white" angle since the 2004 election. i had a feeling trump would win over the summer but i allowed the reasoning that larger cities and blue leaning swing states wouldn't allow such a thing to happen put it out of my mind. but i guess that's what happens when you've been pampered two consecutive wins - both of which i thought would never, ever happen. especially not 2008. but yep, the whitelash struck.

and really, i don't equate 'white' with 'racist' (before you go on).

Does it feel familiar like Brexit? The forgotten rural vs the cosmopolitan elites?

[bcking 3,157]

Does it feel familiar like Brexit? The forgotten rural vs the cosmopolitan elites?

The demographics definitely have some similarities. Leave voters tended to be rural, but they also tended to be older (which if I recall is true for trump). People with college degrees tended to vote remain, similar to Clinton (Except if you look just at White men with college degrees, where Trump fared a little better). I believe the biggest dividing line for Brexit was age. Not sure what the biggest was for Trump/Clinton.

Edited November 10, 2016 by bcking

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

i keep seeing folks saying stuff like that, alluding to the notion that trump supporters have jobs and the rest don't. also seeing a disgusting amount of racist and bigoted comments directed towards honest hard working americans. ironic but of course that's all lost on trump supporters. man it's going to be a long four years.

cher is a supreme being, you might want to check yourself before you wreck yourself.

I usually respect what you write, even if I do not agree with it. You honestly think Cher is a supreme being? She's just a singer and actor, nothing she has done inspires anything or improves anything. She is just another over-indulged celebrity that believes because they have a gift or talent someone appreciates is above anyone else. I do not thinking sending her to Canada is right either but she is nothing but another aged hippy that wants to remain relevant in a world that has long passed her by

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Val, I recently had a friend post on FB that she drove from CA to RI. On her road trip, she reported seeing thousands of Trump signs, and three Hillary signs. She thought Trump would win, but I didn't agree. I really felt like Hillary had enough big money backing to take the electoral votes. Turns out I was wrong.

I like some of what Bernie was preaching, but like many who understand how things roll in this country, I never heard a good idea on where the money would come from to pay for the Healthcare and education that was going to be made available to everyone. How would it get funded? I mean, the US government already projects that social security will run out of money by 2033. Why is that? We worked, we paid in... why don't we get to take out? Where did my money go? How can the US just magically create education money, without taking away from other programs?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

You're right, of course. I'm certain no one here on VJ, no matter how much they wanted Hillary, is out there protesting right now. In all likelihood, those who are protesting are without a job, have time to do so, and are scared their income from the government is at risk. Certainly a fearful proposition.

Nothing we see from the far sides of either ditch is the "norm" for either party, thankfully.

One thing we can agree on. Just hope you realize that not ALL liberals are doing that, no matter how much we disagree with the President-elect. Same way that I know not all conservatives are racists, or they aren't all gung ho about all of the things Trump said.

I think one of the major problems with our politics is that people on both sides like to see things/the other side as very black/white. If you vote for Trump, you must believe X. If you vote for Hillary, you're a Y. Yada yada. Things are much more complicated and I think when you simplify things that much it makes it very easy for everyone to hate everyone else.

Edited November 10, 2016 by LFEHFN

[bcking 3,157]

I like some of what Bernie was preaching, but like many who understand how things roll in this country, I never heard a good idea on where the money would come from to pay for the Healthcare and education that was going to be made available to everyone. How would it get funded? I mean, the US government already projects that social security will run out of money by 2033. Why is that? We worked, we paid in... why don't we get to take out? Where did my money go? How can the US just magically create education money, without taking away from other programs?

I also liked a lot of what Bernie was saying. I always just assumed we would all pay for it, which I am personally okay with. I don't find socialist programs to be inherently bad as long as they are organised and run well.

Social security is "running out of money" for a variety of reasons but a big one is the worker/beneficiary ratio. Beneficiaries (old people) are living longer, so withdrawing more, and the working population is getting slightly smaller since the "baby boomers" are becoming beneficiaries. The system was healthy when we had the baby booming generation all working and less old people both because our healthcare was worse, and perhaps even sadly because we lost so many in the generation before baby boomers to the war.

[yuna628 9,758]

Sad that this is happening. Just hope (as disrespectful as burning the flag is to me personally) that it stays at this level, and does not become hurting people or burning and stealing others' property.

Sure. I can hope that too. But I'll certainly say people spray painting swastikas with pro Trump messages on property, threatening people on the street, scrawling hate speech on school property, kids taunting their schoolmates, and other such stuff also helps to contribute to an overall feeling of unrest. Even before Trump was elected a group of kids (parents very much pro Trump) went through our town and the town park - defacing buildings, property, American flags, cars, etc with swastikas and Trump messages. Their last little act was to throw bricks through the windows of our Messianic center and set a playground on fire.

About three days before the election someone nailed Trump signs all over the local church. Let me tell ya, that pastor was furious.

Edited November 10, 2016 by yuna628

[bcking 3,157]

You're right, of course. I'm certain no one here on VJ, no matter how much they wanted Hillary, is out there protesting right now. In all likelihood, those who are protesting are without a job, have time to do so, and are scared their income from the government is at risk. Certainly a fearful proposition.

Nothing we see from the far sides of either ditch is the "norm" for either party, thankfully.

In fairness I wouldn't say they are all unemployed people receiving federal support. Likely some, but there is probably also a population who are very socially liberal and are (I think legitimately) afraid of a conservative majority in all 3 branches of government. I'm afraid of that to, though I'm not going to protest about it. I happen to know a few people (based on my facebook feeds) that are highly educated, well employed (Mostly doctors, since that's my field and so that's pretty much the only kind of person in my facebook feed) that are involved in some protesting right now. So they aren't all people on handouts.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Does it feel familiar like Brexit? The forgotten rural vs the cosmopolitan elites?

i don't know enough about brexit, honestly.

I usually respect what you write, even if I do not agree with it. You honestly think Cher is a supreme being? She's just a singer and actor, nothing she has done inspires anything or improves anything. She is just another over-indulged celebrity that believes because they have a gift or talent someone appreciates is above anyone else. I do not thinking sending her to Canada is right either but she is nothing but another aged hippy that wants to remain relevant in a world that has long passed her by

thanks. i love cher, it's a nostalgia thing for me. she'll always be relevant to me. but, i don't believe in supreme beings. enlightened maybe, but not supreme.

realistically, any celebrity that moves to another country will still be in the spotlight, we'll still hear about when they drunk tweet or have relationship issues. this is just the reality of hollywood and the nwo

Sure. I can hope that too. But I'll certainly say people spray painting swastikas with pro Trump messages on property, threatening people on the street, scrawling hate speech on school property, kids taunting their schoolmates, and other such stuff also helps to contribute to an overall feeling of unrest. Even before Trump was elected a group of kids (parents very much pro Trump) went through our town and the town park - defacing buildings, property, American flags, cars, etc with swastikas and Trump messages. Their last little act was to throw bricks through the windows of our Messianic center and set a playground on fire.

About three days before the election someone nailed Trump signs all over the local church. Let me tell ya, that pastor was furious.

exactly this, it's been breaking my heart since yesterday. its really appalling how rampant it is, already.