Violent Democrats Protest in California and Elsewhere

[OriZ 3,157]

I'll ignore the childish part of your reply in my quote. No need to address that, eh?

But as for the tax part... Let me ask you two questions:

1) Do you know how much Trump pays in taxes, for any year?

2) Do you pay the full amount of taxes each year, or do you try to reduce them to the lowest level allowed by law prior to paying?

That's the thing I don't understand. What is the issue with him not paying what he doesn't owe? I'm not talking about evasion. It's the law. Everyone does it, it's called deductions. In this case it was against losses. When we first opened our business, we had alot of starting capital that we were able to deduct from profits which of course lowered our taxes initially. There's nothing wrong with it unless people expected him to just send a check to the IRS anyway as "charity". He had losses, he carried them forward. It's what any knowledgeable businessman would do(this is irregardless of my personal opinion on him as a pretty crappy businessman but that's not the point).

Edited November 13, 2016 by OriZ

[Dakine10 5,452]

That's the thing I don't understand. What is the issue with him not paying what he doesn't owe? I'm not talking about evasion. It's the law. Everyone does it, it's called deductions. In this case it was against losses. When we first opened our business, we had alot of starting capital that we were able to deduct from profits which of course lowered our taxes initially. There's nothing wrong with it unless people expected him to just send a check to the IRS anyway as "charity". He had losses, he carried them forward. It's what any knowledgeable businessman would do(this is irregardless of my personal opinion on him as a pretty crappy businessman but that's not the point).

He could have alleviated any of that concern by just releasing his taxes like everyone else does.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Ok, so you just proved yourself wrong. You have no idea how much, if any, taxes Trump paid. So perhaps you'd prefer to stop putting out that he paid NO taxes.

Now, as to the other question... Do you seek to minimize, to the extent allowable by law, the amount of taxes you pay each year?

Childish part? Comrade Trump refused to release his taxes, so no, I don't have any idea how much he paid nor how much he dodged.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

My taxes are no one's business. I have never released them to anyone except when applying for a loan.

He could have alleviated any of that concern by just releasing his taxes like everyone else does.

[MarkPerry 488]

Why are these Idiots rioting or protesting? Trump won the election fairly and by pretty stout margins.

Why were these idiots not protesting when it came to light months ago that the DNC rigged the Primary for Hillary?

Edited November 13, 2016 by MarkPerry

[OriZ 3,157]

He could have alleviated any of that concern by just releasing his taxes like everyone else does.

I'm not talking about what he released or didn't release. I personally think he should have released them. But the NYT thing is out, regardless,and that's what I'm referring to. On that one, I don't see that he did anything wrong at all.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

That's the thing I don't understand. What is the issue with him not paying what he doesn't owe? I'm not talking about evasion. It's the law. Everyone does it, it's called deductions. In this case it was against losses. When we first opened our business, we had alot of starting capital that we were able to deduct from profits which of course lowered our taxes initially. There's nothing wrong with it unless people expected him to just send a check to the IRS anyway as "charity". He had losses, he carried them forward. It's what any knowledgeable businessman would do(this is irregardless of my personal opinion on him as a pretty crappy businessman but that's not the point).

Everyone that has a problem with it should not take any deductions this year

[OriZ 3,157]

Everyone that has a problem with it should not take any deductions this year

I know right? They should make a charitable donation to the IRS

[Rob L 3,811]

 

I'm not talking about what he released or didn't release. I personally think he should have released them. But the NYT thing is out, regardless,and that's what I'm referring to. On that one, I don't see that he did anything wrong at all. 

The onus is on the President-elect to reassure and earn the trust of those who did not vote for him. The onus is on everyone to provide the new president with our support and loyalty. In our tradition (which I understand you are new to) It is two way street.

If he did not have a white separatist on stage on election night

If he would release his taxes, even back to the last audited year

If he would provide a real plan to put his private company in ablind trust

When he reassures that Neocons like Bolton are not going to slip in the back door and start up with the needless wars,

Then I will personally start my movement toward embracing our new leader.

Folks telling me that I will need to eat a *****t sandwich for 4 to 8 years is not getting me any closer, nit that some folks on this site could give a rip...I am just saying

[Rob L 3,811]

Why are these Idiots rioting or protesting?  Trump won the election fairly and by pretty stout margins.

 

Why were these idiots not protesting when it came to light months ago that the DNC rigged the Primary for Hillary?

He did lose the popular vote, and what can Trump do on his part?...he is the leader

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

He won the electoral vote, he didn't lose the popular vote. That's not how it works here, remember?

I have a feeling Hillary will widen the gap in the next week or two as more votes continue to trickle in. But not in any way that will matter.

He did lose the popular vote, and what can Trump do on his part?...he is the leader

[Dakine10 5,452]

My taxes are no one's business. I have never released them to anyone except when applying for a loan.

Nobody cares about your taxes. If you decide to run for the green party nomination next time around we might though. Every other candidate had released them to date.

You can say Trump is controversial, but he was one of the loudest of the birthers lecturing on why we needed the release of Obama's long form birth certificate. He comes off as a bit of a hypocrite when he won't release information himself that people wanted to see. I don't have an issue with it because his supporters gave him a free pass on that and that's all that matters. If it had become an issue though, it was only on him and he could have ended it if he wanted too.

[OriZ 3,157]

The onus is on the President-elect to reassure and earn the trust of those who did not vote for him. The onus is on everyone to provide the new president with our support and loyalty. In our tradition (which I understand you are new to) It is two way street.

If he did not have a white separatist on stage on election night

If he would release his taxes, even back to the last audited year

If he would provide a real plan to put his private company in ablind trust

When he reassures that Neocons like Bolton are not going to slip in the back door and start up with the needless wars,

Then I will personally start my movement toward embracing our new leader.

Folks telling me that I will need to eat a *****t sandwich for 4 to 8 years is not getting me any closer, nit that some folks on this site could give a rip...I am just saying

Apparently not so new....sure been able to figure out these elections better than some "old" folks in here(yourself included)...save your patronizing for someone else.

[MarkPerry 488]

He did lose the popular vote, and what can Trump do on his part?...he is the leader

He is the President Elect, Obama is still the President until the inauguration.

Obama won't do anything about people rioting and destroying property, Time will prove he was part of the rig to get Hillary to win the primary. I am not a fan of Sanders either, but he was done dirty by the DNC

[Dakine10 5,452]

I'm not talking about what he released or didn't release. I personally think he should have released them. But the NYT thing is out, regardless,and that's what I'm referring to. On that one, I don't see that he did anything wrong at all.

No. I don't think he did anything 'wrong' on any of them. It's more about what he didn't want people to see.

He's been audited. We know there's nothing illegal in there or he'd be dealing with that already instead of being president. I don't think he wanted people to see how much he earned and how little he payed in tax (relatively), and the things he was able to take advantage off. He ran on the empathy of the working class. Not all of them would empathize with that. Out of site, out of mind was a better strategy and I understand why he did it.

Personally it's not an issue for me. I don't have to see a tax return or any other financial record to know whether they broke the law or not, and I don't identify with any candidate at that level.