Visit visa...rejected twice. Planning to apply again

[rooji 25]

Hi,

She was probably denies because of the family ties sister in law visiting another sister in law. If it was sister visitiing sister or brother it has more weight. Also pakistan consular is probably one of the hard places to get visitor visas.

I was denies a visa before, but I quickly figured what the reason was myself. I had no confidence the first time. You have to question the CO you can't just take everything they tell you and agree with it you have to challenge them not argue with them. In my country most women are denies visas because they are not married yet single American women travel all over the world every single day.

But if she does apply again she could be denies, regardless of the fact that a CO told her she would get a visa. If she can afford a vacation in USA she can afford a vacation in Australia or Europe if you show this visas of any of this first world countries you are getting a visa.

Okay I have to correct you there.

I have 3 Sister in laws. Sister in law 1 is visiting Sister in law 2 in us (Sister visiting Sister) and sister in law 3 lives in pakistan.

Sister in law 1 was denied visa twice because she had no strong ties to pakistan according to CO. First time makes sense but second time she had a job and family to come back to.

This time she wants to try again because this time her job is better with better pay and she has a bank account to show. However what else can she do at her interview to help her case?

If there was a wedding or an important event she will surely say that but she is going to visit her sister since she misses her and her niece and nephew.

Being single and not allowed to travel is not a good reason.

Anyways lets see

[JenniferNangel 137]

Okay personally since I have had the experience of finding a job within a month is not enough time. Being a usc I have a hard time and then she trying to do that there? She is my sis in law. She would have to make a resume us style to begin with and then start applying. I will be focusing on me and my hubby trying to find a job. The job market in the US these days is not that easy. A lot of people require us qualification or education or experience when looking at someone's resume.

My sister in law has good salary here. She is not about to leave her job in hope of finding one there. It is all a big if. You can find a job but in order to work u have to have ssn or work permit or some company sponsoring you if they really need you but with her qualification in English literature, I doubt it and most companies have plenty to fish in USA rather than sponsoring someone.

One of her sister lives here and she does have her grandmother home which is her permanent address to come back to.

All I am asking is what else can we do to convince the co that her intentions are just to visit. I mean any specific stance or any specific wording or any specific way she presents herself?

Would going to school here work?

If she is going to work "illegally" nobody will care about a resume or qualifications that's what I'm trying to explain to you. I can remember going to Home Depot and seeing a bunch of people standing near the entrance waiting for work and I bet 9 out of 10 of them are illegal and came on some type of visa. A few days ago a guy confessed that he also worked illegally and the employer knew about it and he quit once he became legal so it does happen a lot more than you think.

[KierenHby 899]

Because I was reading on another site, an advice from someone that rather than saying visiting family and tourism.say one or the other and stick to it. They mentioned how one reason has better chances of visa grant.

A number of those 'other sites' are frequented by Indian nationals whose advice is suspect at best. It's not uncommon among Asians to do or say anything to acquire a US visa, and I'm not singling out your sis in law.

Regardless of your sisinlaw's intentions, what matters is how the CO views her situation. I wouldn't suggest asking here for "best chance for a visa\least chance of a rejection"; the way forward is to present her factual case at the next interview and hope for the best.

And just because your hubby's friend managed to obtain a visa doesn't necessarily mean your sisinlaw would get one.

[Boiler 45,947]

Let us know how she gets on.

[Eric-Pris 1,607]

Last 2 times she applied she was rejected but the officer told her that next time if she applied she will be granted visa.

Why did you just waste 3 pages of this thread with posts when it sounds like all she has to do is apply and she will be granted a visa. Seems simple to me. :rolleyes:

The reality is that no officer would ever say that, so that's either a lie or she misunderstood what they said. They probably said what they always say "You are free to apply again". That in no way means that she will get it if she applies. Officers can't guarantee visas in the future.

Like somebody else said, if she changes her story (reason for wanting visa) it will look more suspicious, smells like desperation to go to US. Bring more evidence. Although many times, the decision seems to already be made before you step to the window.

My judgement is not clouded because I know she has to have strong ties.

It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

[kareelina 42]

All what she will do is losing more money for visa application , I did twice and got rejected the CO told me that my ties in America are much more stronger than my ties in my homeland , having a US relative is a strong reason for visa rejection.

[MacUK 983]

The reality is that no officer would ever say that, so that's either a lie or she misunderstood what they said. They probably said what they always say "You are free to apply again". That in no way means that she will get it if she applies. Officers can't guarantee visas in the future.

I think it happens all the time.

I think COs routinely lie to applicants who are denied. To avoid having an applicant kicking up an argument at the window they give them hope by telling them that their next application will be easy.

[KierenHby 899]

I think it happens all the time.

I think COs routinely lie to applicants who are denied. To avoid having an applicant kicking up an argument at the window they give them hope by telling them that their next application will be easy.

That's what I'm told it is.

I mean why would a CO state they'd issue a visa 'next time' if the applicant is ineligible this time around.

[Boiler 45,947]

Nobody here knows what was said, and if it as said it seems to have worked.

[KierenHby 899]

Last 2 times she applied she was rejected but the officer told her that next time if she applied she will be granted visa.

eternal hope. and another $165 for ceac

[rooji 25]

If she is going to work "illegally" nobody will care about a resume or qualifications that's what I'm trying to explain to you. I can remember going to Home Depot and seeing a bunch of people standing near the entrance waiting for work and I bet 9 out of 10 of them are illegal and came on some type of visa. A few days ago a guy confessed that he also worked illegally and the employer knew about it and he quit once he became legal so it does happen a lot more than you think.

I know what you are talking about here however we have no intentions of doing anything "illegal" because it will not only create problem for her but us too. On top of that, I have seen people taking illegal methods to enter country and the consequences were not good. If she wants to work, she will do it through proper channel by applying legally because there are job offers like that. My dad did and that is how we were able to live legally in the States.

A number of those 'other sites' are frequented by Indian nationals whose advice is suspect at best. It's not uncommon among Asians to do or say anything to acquire a US visa, and I'm not singling out your sis in law.

Regardless of your sisinlaw's intentions, what matters is how the CO views her situation. I wouldn't suggest asking here for "best chance for a visa\least chance of a rejection"; the way forward is to present her factual case at the next interview and hope for the best.

And just because your hubby's friend managed to obtain a visa doesn't necessarily mean your sisinlaw would get one.

They are not run by Indian Nationals, they are run by immigration lawyers. I understand what you are saying but that is the reason I am asking that beside property and such, what other methods or information (legal) can help that will be worth mentioning on her application? I mean is property and business are the only option here?

as for my hubby's friend, someone mentioned here that being single and not enough ties is a set back so I mentioned him because he had the same situation.

My opinion is that being confident and not nervous at all helps a great deal when going for any interview and especially in this case. anything suspicious to them is definitely a rejection. if you guys give pointers on how to do the interview that would be great.

Let us know how she gets on.

will do.

Why did you just waste 3 pages of this thread with posts when it sounds like all she has to do is apply and she will be granted a visa. Seems simple to me. :rolleyes:

The reality is that no officer would ever say that, so that's either a lie or she misunderstood what they said. They probably said what they always say "You are free to apply again". That in no way means that she will get it if she applies. Officers can't guarantee visas in the future.

Like somebody else said, if she changes her story (reason for wanting visa) it will look more suspicious, smells like desperation to go to US. Bring more evidence. Although many times, the decision seems to already be made before you step to the window.

It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.

I do not know if she misunderstood or if the officer really did say but when I was searching for similar situations as her, i saw that in another site someone mentioned something similar where an officer said the same exact thing. so it is highly likely that an officer can say such a thing to encourage people to keep applying.

She is not changing her story as I said before. she is going there to visit her family. I learned more about her case, in the application she didn't mention her job since it was after she filled it. This time we are mentioning her job. so hopefully that is a changing factor.

All what she will do is losing more money for visa application , I did twice and got rejected the CO told me that my ties in America are much more stronger than my ties in my homeland , having a US relative is a strong reason for visa rejection.

But many people apply, especially if they are visiting family, and get accepted so how is that possible? she may have a sister in US but her sister applying for her is not a good idea. Her mother is not US national otherwise her applying for her, can work.

Like I said she told me that the officer told her to apply again and she will get it. I dont know if it was the language barrier or the window that she may have misunderstood but no one else can confirm that except for her and the officer who conducted the interview.

I am hoping that this time around there is better outcome since we have her job to show.

Edited November 7, 2016 by rooji

[Alisha510 4]

Wow this thread got intense there for a bit. I am going to share my experience with you seeing that we both or I must be me and your sis in law have applied from the same county. My mother got critically sick in U.S. And she was on life support admitted in ICU for shy of a month. I applied with my youngest son 10 months old to go visit her, I was leaving 4 of my kids behind with my husband while I was gone. I had all the proofs. Anything you can think of, all sorts of doctors letters, hospital verification stating that my mother is critically ill with no chance of recovery and its best if all her family be next to her at this time as this will be her last time BUT I was denied!!! Yes they just denied me, didn't even look at my/our bank account statements, house/property papers, husbands business documents. Nothing, just said "i am sorry ma'am but we cannot issue you a visa at this time" and this is how I was not able to see her face one last time or attend her funeral (yes she did pass away the next day in the hospital RIP)

Anyhow the moral of the story is that no immediate relation or whatsoever can ever guarantee a U.S. Visitors visa, otherwise why would I be rejected, she was my dying mother and I was a daughter who wanted to see her mom one last time - valid enough in all the ways possible. However it's just pure LUCK, especially from Pakistan. I would encourage your sis in law to apply again and see what will be her luck this time but chances are slim, it's wise not to keep hopes up high especially after multiple refusals.

Good luck to her and your family.

Edited November 8, 2016 by Alisha510