Visit visa...rejected twice. Planning to apply again

[Pinkrlion 2,724]

proof of living/ home or apartment

[Anitafeliz 1,133]

Is OP's spouse looking for a travel companion? CR-1 visa approved just this week.

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As this looks like the family trying to migrate...

[rooji 25]

Thank you everyone for the reply. Here are few things I want to clear out.

Firstly my husband case is different from this. I will be traveling back to states with him. So no we are not looking for a travel companion at all.

It is true that my other Sister in law lives in us and is usc and now my hubby will be going. That is not an issue or correlating for my this sis in law to migrate. We just want her to be able to visit.

She doesn't have any family here except for my mother in law but my mother in law has visit visa and plus her process is already undergoing for green card started by my sis in law (unfortunately timings are not good).

She had an employment letter the last time bUT they never asked.

She has an open bank account and a good job here and I am wondering if we can show both on the application.

She is not married but a friend from my husband was granted visa. That person wasn't married either and he was visiting for a wedding. So being married doesn't seem to be the issue here. My guess is confidentiality.

I don't want her to apply and feel disappointed again. She likes it here and wants to come back but we have not a lot of information to hold her back since she is single. So what can she do to convince the officer?

Do share

As this looks like the family trying to migrate...

You guys shouldn't make assumptions based on what u see. I am traveling back to states with my husband. So no we are not looking for a companion buddy. Her case make take longer and we are traveling back in jan.

[Boiler 45,666]

So when you MIL emigrates she will be left in Pakistan by herself?

[Unlockable 7,315]

Thank you everyone for the reply. Here are few things I want to clear out.

Firstly my husband case is different from this. I will be traveling back to states with him. So no we are not looking for a travel companion at all.

It is true that my other Sister in law lives in us and is usc and now my hubby will be going. That is not an issue or correlating for my this sis in law to migrate. We just want her to be able to visit.

She doesn't have any family here except for my mother in law but my mother in law has visit visa and plus her process is already undergoing for green card started by my sis in law (unfortunately timings are not good).

She had an employment letter the last time bUT they never asked.

She has an open bank account and a good job here and I am wondering if we can show both on the application.

She is not married but a friend from my husband was granted visa. That person wasn't married either and he was visiting for a wedding. So being married doesn't seem to be the issue here. My guess is confidentiality.

I don't want her to apply and feel disappointed again. She likes it here and wants to come back but we have not a lot of information to hold her back since she is single. So what can she do to convince the officer?

You guys shouldn't make assumptions based on what u see. I am traveling back to states with my husband. So no we are not looking for a companion buddy. Her case make take longer and we are traveling back in jan.

All that is red above gives many indication that she is a risk of migrating.

You are only looking at it through your own eyes. You have to completely remove yourself out of that mindframe and put yourself in the shoes of a CO who is looking for any reason why she would want to stay in the US. After the rest of the family is done migrating she will be in her country pretty much by herself. You just said it yourself.

Also, how do you know that once she visits the US she doesn't absolutely fall in love with the place OR a young, single USC and then change her mind about not wanting to live here.

Again, if you really take the time and reread the information you provided, there ARE reasons why she doesn't have enough ties to her country.

[KierenHby 899]

Her biggest issue the third time around is convincing the CO she'll not be part of this trend. You need to understand COs posted at US embassies are trained in the ways of the community they serve in. COs read newspapers, they watch tv, and check out online forums like these.

As posted above, a young, single female is viewed as a risk to seek a US job that pays a lot more than her 'good job' back home, or find a USC hubby.

[rooji 25]

Okay here I will explain again.

She had no intention of going to us to get married that can happen while here because proposals come from us regardless.

She has her maternal grandmother and another Sister who lives here.

My sister in law my hubby or my mother in law once in us may not apply as siblings visa or kid visa above the age of 25 is like waiting years for them to be approved. So they are not looking for her to migrate.

Being a single is not enough reason because they are giving visa to such people as I previously explained someone was just approved.

In order to work, you have to have work visa or ssn. Which she doesn't. Her work here is good however her education is not up to the mark and her experience is still new. So any company hiring in USA will have to look at the asset. Beside finding jobs in USA is hard and we will be focusing on my hubby mainly since we will be starting from scratch. My us sis in law will be helping us in that process. Her visit is for a month.

How fare can one go in a month?

[JenniferNangel 137]

Okay here I will explain again.

She had no intention of going to us to get married that can happen while here because proposals come from us regardless.

She has her maternal grandmother and another Sister who lives here.

My sister in law my hubby or my mother in law once in us may not apply as siblings visa or kid visa above the age of 25 is like waiting years for them to be approved. So they are not looking for her to migrate.

Being a single is not enough reason because they are giving visa to such people as I previously explained someone was just approved.

In order to work, you have to have work visa or ssn. Which she doesn't. Her work here is good however her education is not up to the mark and her experience is still new. So any company hiring in USA will have to look at the asset. Beside finding jobs in USA is hard and we will be focusing on my hubby mainly since we will be starting from scratch. My us sis in law will be helping us in that process. Her visit is for a month.

How fare can one go in a month?

Just because somebody doesn't have a work visa or ss# does NOT mean they won't find a job once they are in USA as many many many have done it before. Your sister may have ever good intention on just visiting but to every CO doing a interview for visitor visa they look at the applicants as possibly immigrating through the visa especially since much of her family is already there and a immigration visa for siblings takes many many years.

I hope your sis had better luck next time she applies

[rooji 25]

Just because somebody doesn't have a work visa or ss# does NOT mean they won't find a job once they are in USA as many many many have done it before. Your sister may have ever good intention on just visiting but to every CO doing a interview for visitor visa they look at the applicants as possibly immigrating through the visa especially since much of her family is already there and a immigration visa for siblings takes many many years.

I hope your sis had better luck next time she applies

Okay personally since I have had the experience of finding a job within a month is not enough time. Being a usc I have a hard time and then she trying to do that there? She is my sis in law. She would have to make a resume us style to begin with and then start applying. I will be focusing on me and my hubby trying to find a job. The job market in the US these days is not that easy. A lot of people require us qualification or education or experience when looking at someone's resume.

My sister in law has good salary here. She is not about to leave her job in hope of finding one there. It is all a big if. You can find a job but in order to work u have to have ssn or work permit or some company sponsoring you if they really need you but with her qualification in English literature, I doubt it and most companies have plenty to fish in USA rather than sponsoring someone.

One of her sister lives here and she does have her grandmother home which is her permanent address to come back to.

All I am asking is what else can we do to convince the co that her intentions are just to visit. I mean any specific stance or any specific wording or any specific way she presents herself?

Would going to school here work?

[Ra&Re 21]

Unfortunately COs are trained to deal with evidence not intentions, so unless you provide evidence that she has strong ties (permanent job+ properties : house/car/business + family+ school certificate might help too) to her country to come back to I'm afraid she might get rejected.

Your judgment is influenced by emotions towards the applicants, but the COs are trained to be objective.

[rooji 25]

Unfortunately COs are trained to deal with evidence not intentions, so unless you provide evidence that she has strong ties (permanent job+ properties : house/car/business + family+ school certificate might help too) to her country to come back to I'm afraid she might get rejected.

Your judgment is influenced by emotions towards the applicants, but the COs are trained to be objective.

Okay here I will try again. I am asking for possible reasons or ways to convince the co. My judgement is not clouded because I know she has to have strong ties.

I want to know what else can be helpful in addition to showing she has permanent job and bank account.

She is single so the only family she has her mom and siblings and grandmother. She doesn't have a house or business or her property under her name however she has a part under her mom. No car either. She can show school certificate but I am assuming they are asking for current enrollment (or not?) How else can she convince the co officer especially during the interview.

Because I was reading on another site, an advice from someone that rather than saying visiting family and tourism.say one or the other and stick to it. They mentioned how one reason has better chances of visa grant.

So I am asking for suggestions that can help. I very well aware that what could be reason for rejection but I want to know how else can we improve chances beside the reasons given.

Just so you know my hubby's friend was single and had only job as backup. His reason was attending a wedding and he was granted visa.

[Ra&Re 21]

In my personal opinion, I think she should stick to the reason she told the CO the last two times, so the CO doesn't think she is just trying to get to the US by any means - especially if the dates of the applications are close.

While she is being interviewed she can provide evidence even if the CO didn't ask for it (CO: Why do you want to go to the US?. applicant: I would like to visit my family there on my vacation - here she can show a paper that illustrates the beginning and the end of her vacation.) BUT at the same time try to keep the interview as short as possible and if the CO ask a yes/no questions she answers yes/no.

[millefleur 5,047]

Okay here I will try again. I am asking for possible reasons or ways to convince the co. My judgement is not clouded because I know she has to have strong ties.

I want to know what else can be helpful in addition to showing she has permanent job and bank account.

She is single so the only family she has her mom and siblings and grandmother. She doesn't have a house or business or her property under her name however she has a part under her mom. No car either. She can show school certificate but I am assuming they are asking for current enrollment (or not?) How else can she convince the co officer especially during the interview.

Because I was reading on another site, an advice from someone that rather than saying visiting family and tourism.say one or the other and stick to it. They mentioned how one reason has better chances of visa grant.

So I am asking for suggestions that can help. I very well aware that what could be reason for rejection but I want to know how else can we improve chances beside the reasons given.

Just so you know my hubby's friend was single and had only job as backup. His reason was attending a wedding and he was granted visa.

She just needs to a) be completely honest about why she wants the visa and b) bring as much evidence as possible to the interview, despite the fact that they probably won't even ask to look at it. That's basically all she can do. Even if she has a gigantic pile of evidence, if the CO office has already made up their minds, she will not get a chance to show it to them. It will only be looked at if the CO asks for it specifically....at least, this is what happened to people that I know who applied for visas. The CO's had zero interest in looking at extra documents, even if they were offered.

It seems like you're asking if you think she should try to lie about visiting family and say it's merely for tourism (since you seemed to be suggesting that she should "stick to one story") but I don't see how that's possible when the DS-160 asks for people to mention their relatives living in the US. Even if she says nothing about visiting family during the interview, if the CO sees a list of relatives living in the US on her app, she will be asked about them.

Also, it's against VJ's Terms of Service to tell people to misrep information to get a visa. She just needs to tell the truth, I honestly don't think there's anything she can do to convince the CO that hasn't already been mentioned here, she can just keep applying and see what happens.

Edited November 4, 2016 by millefleur

[rooji 25]

She just needs to a) be completely honest about why she wants the visa and b) bring as much evidence as possible to the interview, despite the fact that they probably won't even ask to look at it. That's basically all she can do. Even if she has a gigantic pile of evidence, if the CO office has already made up their minds, she will not get a chance to show it to them. It will only be looked at if the CO asks for it specifically....at least, this is what happened to people that I know who applied for visas. The CO's had zero interest in looking at extra documents, even if they were offered.

It seems like you're asking if you think she should try to lie about visiting family and say it's merely for tourism (since you seemed to be suggesting that she should "stick to one story") but I don't see how that's possible when the DS-160 asks for people to mention their relatives living in the US. Even if she says nothing about visiting family during the interview, if the CO sees a list of relatives living in the US on her app, she will be asked about them.

Also, it's against VJ's Terms of Service to tell people to misrep information to get a visa. She just needs to tell the truth, I honestly don't think there's anything she can do to convince the CO that hasn't already been mentioned here, she can just keep applying and see what happens.

You misread me. I am not suggesting or saying that she will or should lie. I was stating that pick one reason rather than saying family and vacation. Although she will be on vacation. I am well aware that co officers have all the information and if she says vacation that doesn't mean she should hide about her family.

She has to be truthful regardless but she doesn't need to give more than they ask.

Someone gave an advice on another site (not this one) of saying one reason or the other rather than both and I am wondering how good of anew advice is that.

[sema 26]

Hi,

She was probably denies because of the family ties sister in law visiting another sister in law. If it was sister visitiing sister or brother it has more weight. Also pakistan consular is probably one of the hard places to get visitor visas.

I was denies a visa before, but I quickly figured what the reason was myself. I had no confidence the first time. You have to question the CO you can't just take everything they tell you and agree with it you have to challenge them not argue with them. In my country most women are denies visas because they are not married yet single American women travel all over the world every single day.

But if she does apply again she could be denies, regardless of the fact that a CO told her she would get a visa. If she can afford a vacation in USA she can afford a vacation in Australia or Europe if you show this visas of any of this first world countries you are getting a visa.

Edited November 4, 2016 by sema