3 shootings in three days

[Fandango 1,440]

it's not like some freak has some murderous urge & is like all 'damn, no gun...guess I can't kill anyone today'

Well, would be kind of tough to pull the job off without one, though, wouldn't it?

Well they could have stabbed random passers-by, drove into buildings, homemade bombs, etc....

I'm really not criminally minded or anything, lol, but if someone is that sick to want to hurt/kill someone....they can be resourceful. Necessity is the mother of all invention (or some cliche ####### like that)

It's not the gun's fault....it's the person behind it. How are there murders in prison? You think murderers in there are all 'damn no gun, oh well!'....no they're the type to whittle down a toothbrush handle into a shiv. Yes, I watched wayyyyy to much Oz, but you get my drift.

[Scott & Lai 12]

it's not like some freak has some murderous urge & is like all 'damn, no gun...guess I can't kill anyone today'

Well, would be kind of tough to pull the job off without one, though, wouldn't it?

Well they could have stabbed random passers-by, drove into buildings, homemade bombs, etc....

I'm really not criminally minded or anything, lol, but if someone is that sick to want to hurt/kill someone....they can be resourceful. Necessity is the mother of all invention (or some cliche ####### like that)

It's not the gun's fault....it's the person behind it. How are there murders in prison? You think murderers in there are all 'damn no gun, oh well!'....no they're the type to whittle down a toothbrush handle into a shiv. Yes, I watched wayyyyy to much Oz, but you get my drift.

Lisa, shhhhhhhh...don't confuse people with the truth

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

it's not like some freak has some murderous urge & is like all 'damn, no gun...guess I can't kill anyone today'

Well, would be kind of tough to pull the job off without one, though, wouldn't it?

It's not the gun's fault....

Nice recital of NRA literature. Well done!

Not sure why it was even necessary to say that. I am not certain who ever claimed that the gun is at fault - silly to say or imply any such thing as a gun is obviously an object incapable of being at fault. The fact that anyone from a complete moron to an absolutely insane person can easily obtain one is what has been at issue in this threat. And that is a problem indeed. All your NRA literature or related GOP propaganda is not going to explain away the fact that gun violence is much bigger a problem in the US (which has easy access to those pieces) than in comparable countries with rather restricted access and tight licensing requirements. And I mean MUCH bigger a problem.

Lisa, shhhhhhhh...don't confuse people with the truth

I'm not so sure you'd recognize the truth if it hit you with a stick.

Edited April 1, 2006 by ET-US2004

[dalegg 143]

Well, seems that they're the ones getting the cuffs slapped on them these days. Cunningham, Abramoff, Scooter ...

Oh I get it now. hehe. I'm slow but I get it.

[apeach601 0]

OMG be careful...............

[Scott & Lai 12]

it's not like some freak has some murderous urge & is like all 'damn, no gun...guess I can't kill anyone today'

Well, would be kind of tough to pull the job off without one, though, wouldn't it?

It's not the gun's fault....

Nice recital of NRA literature. Well done!

Not sure why it was even necessary to say that. I am not certain who ever claimed that the gun is at fault - silly to say or imply any such thing as a gun is obviously an object incapable of being at fault. The fact that anyone from a complete moron to an absolutely insane person can easily obtain one is what has been at issue in this threat. And that is a problem indeed. All your NRA literature or related GOP propaganda is not going to explain away the fact that gun violence is much bigger a problem in the US (which has easy access to those pieces) than in comparable countries with rather restricted access and tight licensing requirements. And I mean MUCH bigger a problem.

Lisa, shhhhhhhh...don't confuse people with the truth

I'm not so sure you'd recognize the truth if it hit you with a stick.

If it makes you feel better, you just go right on believing that

[Fandango 1,440]

it's not like some freak has some murderous urge & is like all 'damn, no gun...guess I can't kill anyone today'

Well, would be kind of tough to pull the job off without one, though, wouldn't it?

It's not the gun's fault....

Nice recital of NRA literature. Well done!

Not sure why it was even necessary to say that. I am not certain who ever claimed that the gun is at fault - silly to say or imply any such thing as a gun is obviously an object incapable of being at fault. The fact that anyone from a complete moron to an absolutely insane person can easily obtain one is what has been at issue in this threat. And that is a problem indeed. All your NRA literature or related GOP propaganda is not going to explain away the fact that gun violence is much bigger a problem in the US (which has easy access to those pieces) than in comparable countries with rather restricted access and tight licensing requirements. And I mean MUCH bigger a problem.

Lisa, shhhhhhhh...don't confuse people with the truth

I'm not so sure you'd recognize the truth if it hit you with a stick.

They prolly use it as propaganda (I wouldnt know, I'm not a member) because it's TRUE. Of course it's trite, cliche, rhetoric...whatever you want to call it....but it got to be that way because it's based in truth and logic. The reason this story made headlines is because some sick freaks who had no respect for life decided to act on that. Not because they all found guns & were like 'oh look! a gun! let's go kill people!!! '

I have absolutely no problem with a waiting period, background checks, etc...but you seem to think that if all the guns were collectively melted down, we could erect a friendship statue of the care bears & everything would be peachy from there on in. <---------that was hyperbole, don't take this statement literally please That is the point that I'm having trouble with. Take an economics class & study supply and demand & see what happens to this 'no guns' theory.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I have absolutely no problem with a waiting period, background checks, etc...but you seem to think that if all the guns were collectively melted down, we could erect a friendship statue of the care bears & everything would be peachy from there on in. <---------that was hyperbole, don't take this statement literally please That is the point that I'm having trouble with. Take an economics class & study supply and demand & see what happens to this 'no guns' theory.

yeah. you ever see the Simpsons where they outlawed guns in Springfield? A classic. They made a playground out of the guns and they would still fire randomly.

Edited April 1, 2006 by rch99

[Scott & Lai 12]

I have absolutely no problem with a waiting period, background checks, etc...but you seem to think that if all the guns were collectively melted down, we could erect a friendship statue of the care bears & everything would be peachy from there on in. <---------that was hyperbole, don't take this statement literally please That is the point that I'm having trouble with. Take an economics class & study supply and demand & see what happens to this 'no guns' theory.

yeah. you ever see the Simpsons where they outlawed guns in Springfield? A classic. They made a playground out of the guns and they would still fire randomly.

Dang...missed that one!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

it's not like some freak has some murderous urge & is like all 'damn, no gun...guess I can't kill anyone today'

Well, would be kind of tough to pull the job off without one, though, wouldn't it?

It's not the gun's fault....

Nice recital of NRA literature. Well done!

Not sure why it was even necessary to say that. I am not certain who ever claimed that the gun is at fault - silly to say or imply any such thing as a gun is obviously an object incapable of being at fault. The fact that anyone from a complete moron to an absolutely insane person can easily obtain one is what has been at issue in this threat. And that is a problem indeed. All your NRA literature or related GOP propaganda is not going to explain away the fact that gun violence is much bigger a problem in the US (which has easy access to those pieces) than in comparable countries with rather restricted access and tight licensing requirements. And I mean MUCH bigger a problem.

Lisa, shhhhhhhh...don't confuse people with the truth

I'm not so sure you'd recognize the truth if it hit you with a stick.

They prolly use it as propaganda (I wouldnt know, I'm not a member) because it's TRUE. Of course it's trite, cliche, rhetoric...whatever you want to call it....but it got to be that way because it's based in truth and logic. The reason this story made headlines is because some sick freaks who had no respect for life decided to act on that. Not because they all found guns & were like 'oh look! a gun! let's go kill people!!! '

I have absolutely no problem with a waiting period, background checks, etc...but you seem to think that if all the guns were collectively melted down, we could erect a friendship statue of the care bears & everything would be peachy from there on in. <---------that was hyperbole, don't take this statement literally please That is the point that I'm having trouble with. Take an economics class & study supply and demand & see what happens to this 'no guns' theory.

By that logic we should let Iran have nuclear weapons. Nukes don't kill people either

Seriously though, there is something wrong with society that makes people behave like this. I mean this sort of thing is exceedingly rare in Europe. Postal-rampages were few and far between in Britain - the likes of Hungerford and Dunblane made huge national headlines for weeks on end. Here its just a blink of the eye.

There will always be violent crime, its an inevitable part of human nature. If you're going to get mugged I guess the question to ask is would you prefer to be slapped around a little or shot in the chest?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I have absolutely no problem with a waiting period, background checks, etc...but you seem to think that if all the guns were collectively melted down, we could erect a friendship statue of the care bears & everything would be peachy from there on in. <---------that was hyperbole, don't take this statement literally please That is the point that I'm having trouble with.

That is a point I never made.

I wonder how you read...

By that logic we should let Iran have nuclear weapons. Nukes don't kill people either

PWNED!

[Welshcookie 17]

I feel terrible for those poor ppl who have died....but it's not guns that killed them (well technically it is but you know what I mean), rather the ppl pulling the trigger.....if the intent was to kill random ppl, there are other methods as well....

it's not like some freak has some murderous urge & is like all 'damn, no gun...guess I can't kill anyone today'

I do hear what you are saying....but even here in the UK you don't hear of any ppl killing mass numbers armed with a knife...the few times it has happened... is with a gun. Killing someone with a knife in my opinion is a much harder (pyschologically I mean) than shooting a gun...a knife you have to get up close...feel that blade enter flesh..it a one on one experience...I have plunged a knife into animal flesh, you feel that, firing a gun is a detached experience. When a mugging happens in this country it is rarely at gun point because the majority of ppl do not carry guns.

Edited April 2, 2006 by welshcookie

[dalegg 143]

Seriously though, there is something wrong with society that makes people behave like this. I mean this sort of thing is exceedingly rare in Europe.

Yeah, no doubt. I don't follow Canadian news that closely but it seems like I read somewhere that this sort of thing is pretty rare there also, and their gun laws are similar to ours. So, we must have a wacked-out society.

I've got no idea how you handle this since you are not going to abolish the 2nd ammendment-even if you did I seriously doubt you would ever get the guns away from the people who commit most of the gun violence.

Ask yourself the question about the mugging a different way- If you were being mugged, would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or just your hands?

[Welshcookie 17]

Ask yourself the question about the mugging a different way- If you were being mugged, would you rather have a gun to defend yourself or just your hands?

The thing is......in a country with strict gun laws the muggers don't have easy access to guns... as the same as ppl who are being mugged......hence we do not have gun threatened muggings...AND it has to be said the muggers KNOW the majority of ppl they mug will not be carrying guns. In US you never know who is carrying a gun. So pre armed is prepared

Edited April 2, 2006 by welshcookie

[dalegg 143]

As I went out to lunch I started thinking about this topic and it occurred to me, I don't even know what the actual debate is!

Really, what is the debate? Most of the things people say I think are sensable, on both sides. On our last round ET stated outright that he didn't advocate repealing the 2nd ammendmant, so I'm wondering if anybody really does.

When I look into state by state regs, I find that some of the states with loose regulations are really just too loose. For example in Montana it's legal to own a gun at 14! Do most of us that want law-abiding citizens to retain the right to own a handgun think a 14 year old should be able to own a handgun? I would hope not. I have a 15 year old son and when I think of the arguements he has with his sister--- well, I don't even want to think about it.

I personally have no problem with background checks and gun registration laws. Sounds good to me. What is the actual problem people have with that anyway?

Sounds like everyone wants to make it harder for criminals to get handguns, but is anyone advocating a complete ban on selling handguns to achieve that goal? If not, we don't have much of a debate. Even if there are people who want that we don't have much of a debate because it simply isn't going to happen.

If we could get rid of the 14-year-olds with guns, make it mandatory for background checks everywhere, and force registration, would that be the end of the debate?