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Hello again Peejay. Wondered how long you'd take to surface.

I've always wondered why the gov passed a law to make "gun toys" illegal for children (at least some toys in this regard) but still allow the real ones??? :unsure:

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I think we goota have the Senate pass a law that prohibits old men with electronics assisted hearts to hold a gun license and go in an ambulance to shoot healthy birds. Look at Duck Cheney, the famous "lawyer-sniper" (innocent :innocent: ) who can't even see straight (isn't he the man who tried to link Iraq to 9-11?)

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I hate GUNS.

I Also hate the fact that ANYONE can get one here.

Wonder how many kids under 18 have guns in the US. Scary thought

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i grew up around guns..so it never bothered me..rural south....

i have one..and i think once i started years ago being a therapist,,,and listen to some of the people's walking on the strrets thoughts..i decided a gun is needed

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It's a home made problem. With an easy fix.
What is the easy fix? Does it cover illegal sales of guns on the streets also?
Don't you think that most of these guns that are illegally traded on the street were originally acquired legally? Or do you believe that those just macically appeared somehow?
Most of them probably were, but my question is what is the easy fix to our problem? Are the illegal guns just going to magically disappear somehow?
Well, maybe we ought to start by stopping to issue guns to any idiot that wants one. Or do you really think that adding more guns each and every day to more and more irresponsible people will turn things around for the better somehow? At the end of the day, for every illegal gun seized, there are two new ones sold - legally...
No, I don't think that adding more guns each and every day to more and more irresponsible people will turn things around. I'm simply asking, what is the easy fix to the current problem? You said there was an easy fix. What is it?

Okay, I'll say it again for the cheap seats: QUIT ADDING MORE GUNS TO THE ALREADY DANGEROUS STREETS! That's the fix. It's not an IMMEDIATE fix - never said it was. But it's fairly easy. And it'll curb the problem over time as seized weapons won't be as easily replaced.

Take guns off the streets and the streets will be safer. Why is that so hard to understand? :wacko:

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Okay, I'll say it again for the cheap seats: QUIT ADDING MORE GUNS TO THE ALREADY DANGEROUS STREETS! That's the fix. It's not an IMMEDIATE fix - never said it was. But it's fairly easy. And it'll curb the problem over time as seized weapons won't be as easily replaced.

Take guns off the streets and the streets will be safer. Why is that so hard to understand? :wacko:

It's hard to understand because I don't quite get the mechanics of the plan. The only way I can possibly fathom this is to stop selling guns altogether because obviously we can't expect law abiding citizens to prevent their guns from being stolen from them and furthermore we can't trust greedy individuals who have a right to legally purchase a gun from selling it. Or is that the easy answer right there? Just get everyone to stop doing the wrong thing.

But I have to ask another question. IF we did in fact completely ban the sale of all new guns in the US, why don't you think they would find their way on the streets another way? We banned the sale of alcohol and it just created a big business for organized crime. Last I checked selling Heroin and Cocaine was illegal, and yet we still have hundreds of thousands of addicts. People get into this country illegally by the hundreds everyday, so why don't you think guns would make it here illegally and thus create another big business for organized crime? Do you believe our border patrol would just tighten up?

I'm just guessing here. Afterall you never said the easy fix would be to ban the selling of all new guns, so if you could, for those of us way back here in the cheap seats- how do we keep more guns from entering the streets?

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Okay, I'll say it again for the cheap seats: QUIT ADDING MORE GUNS TO THE ALREADY DANGEROUS STREETS! That's the fix. It's not an IMMEDIATE fix - never said it was. But it's fairly easy. And it'll curb the problem over time as seized weapons won't be as easily replaced.

Take guns off the streets and the streets will be safer. Why is that so hard to understand? :wacko:

It's hard to understand because I don't quite get the mechanics of the plan. The only way I can possibly fathom this is to stop selling guns altogether because obviously we can't expect law abiding citizens to prevent their guns from being stolen from them and furthermore we can't trust greedy individuals who have a right to legally purchase a gun from selling it. Or is that the easy answer right there? Just get everyone to stop doing the wrong thing.

How about tracking guns? You buy a new one (fulfill all requirements including a properly obtained license that requires training and testing etc. - think of a driver's license, a liquor license or somesuch for example) and you have your name attached to that piece. If you sell it, you declare so (much like a vehicle) and the gun is registered to the new owner (who, in order for the sale to be legal needs to have the aforementioned license). Guns stay with responsible and educated owners that way.

Now, the greedy types you mention are going to raise some flags somewhere if they keep piling up them guns that they sell illegally (these sales obviously won't make it to the registry). Have someone knock on the door and account for the guns. If they can't, send them up the river and revoke their license for good.

Stolen? I don't buy into the idea that all the illegal weapons (or even a significant share of them) have been stolen from law-abiding, responsible gun owners. :no: Try again.

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Okay, I'll say it again for the cheap seats: QUIT ADDING MORE GUNS TO THE ALREADY DANGEROUS STREETS! That's the fix. It's not an IMMEDIATE fix - never said it was. But it's fairly easy. And it'll curb the problem over time as seized weapons won't be as easily replaced.

Take guns off the streets and the streets will be safer. Why is that so hard to understand? :wacko:

It's hard to understand because I don't quite get the mechanics of the plan. The only way I can possibly fathom this is to stop selling guns altogether because obviously we can't expect law abiding citizens to prevent their guns from being stolen from them and furthermore we can't trust greedy individuals who have a right to legally purchase a gun from selling it. Or is that the easy answer right there? Just get everyone to stop doing the wrong thing.

How about tracking guns? You buy a new one (fulfill all requirements including a properly obtained license that requires training and testing etc. - think of a driver's license, a liquor license or somesuch for example) and you have your name attached to that piece. If you sell it, you declare so (much like a vehicle) and the gun is registered to the new owner (who, in order for the sale to be legal needs to have the aforementioned license). Guns stay with responsible and educated owners that way.

It seems like you are only trying to prove my point with this vehicle comparison. People are still obtaining cars illegally.

Now, the greedy types you mention are going to raise some flags somewhere if they keep piling up them guns that they sell illegally (these sales obviously won't make it to the registry). Have someone knock on the door and account for the guns. If they can't, send them up the river and revoke their license for good.

This is already being done in large part. Source and look at the results.

Stolen? I don't buy into the idea that all the illegal weapons (or even a significant share of them) have been stolen from law-abiding, responsible gun owners. :no: Try again.

Well darn, I shouldn't of said all (or even a significant share) were. Oh, wait. I didn't.

What about my fear that if you somehow kept it legal for law abiding citizens to keep their guns bought in America, AND kept these guns out of the hands of criminals, that this would just create another lucritive business for organized crime, and that guns would find their way on to the streets anyway from other countries? Should I presume that are stiff border patrol agents who have had no luck in significantly reducing the number of illegal immigrants and drugs would keep this from happening?

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This is a tough one ET. I kind of support gun registration but I dont see how it will provide us with a fix.

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Hello again Peejay. Wondered how long you'd take to surface.

Hello Satisfaction,

I know my posts are usually hit and run nuggets of wisdom. I realize most of the views here on VJ are 180 degrees from mine, but it is a dirty job and somebody has to do it. Otherwise VJ would be just be a mutual admiration society of like minded liberal twits. In my youth I was kind of a hippie, but at 50 years old I've come to the conclusion that what passes for "enlightenment" is really kind of bogus. Go out into the real world and let reality kick your *ss!

Actually, when I'm home my wife keeps me on a short leash and limits my time on the internet. You know...she has a long "honey-do" list. After all...that is how I came to VJ. We went through all the K-1 / K-2, AOS, EAD, etc. B.S. Today is our 2nd wedding anniversary. I just got off the phone with her.

I also work on an oil production facility 100 miles from shore on the Gulf of Mexico. I'm at work now and my shift ends in another 4 days. We have internet, but I have to share a computer with 10 other people and the internet is super slow and goes out often. Another reason for my hit and run posts.

I've always wondered why the gov passed a law to make "gun toys" illegal for children (at least some toys in this regard) but still allow the real ones???

I always wondered why our government allowed a bunch of illegal aliens (visa violators) to crash airplanes into the World Trade Center and why our borders are still wide open with thousands of absconders with deportation orders running around loose on the streets. Along with the regular run-of-the-mill illegal aliens that we know absolutely nothing about.

Maybe our government should straighten up it's priorities and maybe leave the silly and unimportant choice of children's toys up to parents (where it belongs).

I'm a hardworking, honest, law abiding, USC that is mentally stable and not a criminal. Why shouldn't I be able to own guns for sport and protection of my home and family? I've never killed anything with my guns that I didn't cook and eat. You or anyone else has absolutely nothing to fear from me unless you plan to crawl through the window of my home in the middle of the night with malice and mayhem on your mind. Then I'm not such a nice guy.

Go hassle gangsta punks and criminals...and leave me and other law abiding gun owners alone!

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It seems like you are only trying to prove my point with this vehicle comparison. People are still obtaining cars illegally.

Yes. Some do. And some people, gasp, even operate a vehicle w/o proper license. Does that mean that we should just give up on registering vehicles and requiring licenses to operate one? :no:

Would it be an overnight fix-all? Of course it wouldn't. But it would be a start.

Funny how in otherwise comparable countries that have actual gun control and licensing mechanisms in place and actually enforced (as opposed to just having wholesome ####### on paper some place that no-one seems to care much about or can get around easily), gun violence comes nowhere close to that in this here country. Could one have some correlation to the other? If yes, then maybe control and licensing mechanisms would beat defeatism. The latter being what you seem to have surrendered to. ;)

What I am trying to bring across is that we've done the 'let's get more arms to more peole' approach for the past 200 years. Things don't seem to look better today than they did 50 years ago. Maybe, just maybe it's the wrong approach, then? Sometimes, believe it or not, less is more! :yes:

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I've lived most of my live in countries (Guyana for the most part, France and England,) where there is a complete ban on firearms. Basically, only law enforcement agents and hunters could obtain a gun license. Apart from them, it would not even cross my mind that someone else had a gun... The schools, buses, subways, delis, streets or any public place basically, were much safer there than all of them here.

I should find myself lucky never not to have had to fear from my live. For example, as a high-school girl, I used to walk back to the dormitory from a stroll in the park late at night, feeling perfectly safe. As young as 6 years old, I used to walk with my classmates to school, 2 miles away, everyday.I cannot recall a day when I didn't feel safe.

In retrospect, I'd rather live by the European strict gun control policy, rather than adopting the American one, in this regard. The world would be a much better place if there were no guns.

Peejay:

If you want to keep your gun, then it's your choice!! Personnally, I don't need to get one. And if someone was to come and shoot at me, then be. Whatever happens, happens. I will be destiny.

As the French would rather say: "La peur n'evite pas le danger" or "fear doesn't prevent from danger". I choose not to live and will never live in fear. Now if you want to come kick my (nice) ###, be my guest: it will my pleasure to squeeze your nutts!!! :diablo:

Sometimes I think I know everything, and I regain consciousness. Seen it all, done it all, forgot most of it....

So much plenitude, yet so much emptiness

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The Journey, Part I: I-129F (K-3)

I 129F sent to Chicago 11/14/05

NOA1 12/14/05, received by snail mail 12/23/05

NOA2 01/17/06, received by snail mail 01/20/05

Received Packet "3" 02/17/06

Medicals done in Nairobi 03/22/06

VISA APPROVED in Nairobi 03/30/06

Husband arrives ni USA!

The Journey, Part II: EAD and AOS

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March 9th, 2010, Received GC that has been lost in the mail for 10 months. Still waiting for my son's that is lost as well.

Filed Waiver for my son's 10 year GC and it was approved. He finally received his GC after its been missing for 2 years.

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Funny how in otherwise comparable countries that have actual gun control and licensing mechanisms in place and actually enforced (as opposed to just having wholesome ####### on paper some place that no-one seems to care much about or can get around easily), gun violence comes nowhere close to that in this here country. Could one have some correlation to the other? If yes, then maybe control and licensing mechanisms would beat defeatism. The latter being what you seem to have surrendered to. ;)

Why do I have to be surrendering to defeatism just because I don't see how licensing guns (which I happen to agree with) is an easy fix to the gun violence problem? I don't even think enforcing the existing laws is an easy fix. It may be a fix, but there is nothing easy about it. The issue of gun control laws is a different debate.

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Funny how in otherwise comparable countries that have actual gun control and licensing mechanisms in place and actually enforced (as opposed to just having wholesome ####### on paper some place that no-one seems to care much about or can get around easily), gun violence comes nowhere close to that in this here country. Could one have some correlation to the other? If yes, then maybe control and licensing mechanisms would beat defeatism. The latter being what you seem to have surrendered to. ;)
Why do I have to be surrendering to defeatism just because I don't see how licensing guns (which I happen to agree with) is an easy fix to the gun violence problem? I don't even think enforcing the existing laws is an easy fix. It may be a fix, but there is nothing easy about it. The issue of gun control laws is a different debate.

I guess you took my "easy fix" a little to literally. All I am saying is that easy access to guns (which quite obviously leads to all kinds of proliferation outside the legal framework) is quite obviously not the answer to making the streets in America safer. That strategy dominated the US for the past umpteen decades and is a clear loser if reducing gun violence is the goal. That's easy to see.

So, maybe the opposite approach would work. The basics of that opposite would be a combination of proper licensing which ought to include more than just a criminal background check. Training and testing comes to mind to ensure that the prospective gun owner knows how to operate a firearm properly and safely. Also, there should be a look into issues like sanity and such to ensure that we don't have mentally unstable folks running around with firearms. Certainly, effective registering and tracking of firearms and stiff penalties as well as lifetime license revokation for those convicted of illegally proliferating firearms should be part of the mix. And I have always thought that it is odd that the parents of minors that carry guns keep roaming the streets and still get to keep guns at their homes. That ought to stop as well.

Tight gun control and effective tracking and licensing seems to work for many other developed countries and I tend to think it could work here as well. That's what I mean by "easy fix": Let's not keep doing the same thing and expect different results. ;)

 

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