Minnesota mall stabbings: suspected attacker killed after eight people injured

[Boiler 46,412]

I have a permit, do not carry, do not have anything suitable to carry.

[Sousuke 1,214]

I have a permit, do not carry, do not have anything suitable to carry.

Your British, conceal carry a Webley Mk VI. Its not that big lol.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

The real rarity is the low number of conceal carry holders in anyone place. They are only like 2% of the population and they are restricted from many areas where shootings are most likely to occur.

Perhaps true but I have to say the average concealed carry permit holder is not a fully trained active police officer that by the by also owns a shooting range/gun shop and regularly trains others in gun safety. It is fortunate enough this rare ccc specimen happened to be there and zero sympathy for the deceased jihadist.

[Boiler 46,412]

Perhaps true but I have to say the average concealed carry permit holder is not a fully trained active police officer that by the by also owns a shooting range/gun shop and regularly trains others in gun safety. It is fortunate enough this rare ccc specimen happened to be there and zero sympathy for the deceased jihadist.

I have shot at the local Sherrif range and have heard plenty of stories about the competency of the local plod.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I have shot at the local Sherrif range and have heard plenty of stories about the competency of the local plod.

Lots of people are saying...

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFXbcOfybQY

[Ban Hammer 13,746]

Perhaps true but I have to say the average concealed carry permit holder is not a fully trained active police officer that by the by also owns a shooting range/gun shop and regularly trains others in gun safety. It is fortunate enough this rare ccc specimen happened to be there and zero sympathy for the deceased jihadist.

define average.

every single conceal carry holder i know knows more about firearms that most police - because firearms is a hobby for those conceal carry holders.

as for myself, i've been shooting for about 45 years now.........

[Sousuke 1,214]

[ready4ONE 5,400]

define average.

every single conceal carry holder i know knows more about firearms that most police - because firearms is a hobby for those conceal carry holders.

as for myself, i've been shooting for about 45 years now.........

I think Boiler already disrespected the background of the concealed carry permit holder who stopped the knife attacker. Is he a hero or not?

I am sure the 5 people killed and 21 wounded, to say nothing of their friends and families, by gun violence September 17, 2016 across America are as thankful for the 2nd Amendment as you are.

Edited September 23, 2016 by ready4ONE

[ready4ONE 5,400]

The wild wild west was safer from gun violence, good point!

[Sousuke 1,214]

The wild wild west was safer from gun violence, good point!

Yep. Actually the 'wild west' as we know it today is a myth. Despite that the fact that there wasn't a heavy law presence, it was actually rather tame.

Dozens of movies have portrayed the nineteenth-century mining camps in the West as hot beds of anarchy and violence, but John Umbeck discovered that, beginning in 1848, the miners began forming contracts with one another to restrain their own behavior (1981, 51). There was no government authority in California at the time, apart from a few military posts. The miners’ contracts established property rights in land (and in any gold found on the land) that the miners themselves enforced. Miners who did not accept the rules the majority adopted were free to mine elsewhere or to set up their own contractual arrangements with other miners. The rules that were adopted were often consequently established with unanimous consent (Anderson and Hill 1979, 19). As long as a miner abided by the rules, the other miners defended his rights under the community contract. If he did not abide by the agreed-on rules, his claim would be regarded as “open to any [claim] jumpers” (Umbeck 1981, 53).

The mining camps hired “enforcement specialists”—justices of the peace and arbitrators—and developed an extensive body of property and criminal law. As a result, there was very little violence and theft. The fact that the miners were usually armed also helps to explain why crime was relatively infrequent. Benson concludes, “The contractual system of law effectively generated cooperation rather than conflict, and on those occasions when conflict arose it was, by and large, effectively quelled through nonviolent means” (1998, 105).

http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=803

Edited September 23, 2016 by Sousuke

[Boiler 46,412]

Yep. Actually the 'wild west' as we know it today is a myth. Despite that the fact that there wasn't a heavy law presence, it was actually rather tame.

Dozens of movies have portrayed the nineteenth-century mining camps in the West as hot beds of anarchy and violence, but John Umbeck discovered that, beginning in 1848, the miners began forming contracts with one another to restrain their own behavior (1981, 51). There was no government authority in California at the time, apart from a few military posts. The miners’ contracts established property rights in land (and in any gold found on the land) that the miners themselves enforced. Miners who did not accept the rules the majority adopted were free to mine elsewhere or to set up their own contractual arrangements with other miners. The rules that were adopted were often consequently established with unanimous consent (Anderson and Hill 1979, 19). As long as a miner abided by the rules, the other miners defended his rights under the community contract. If he did not abide by the agreed-on rules, his claim would be regarded as “open to any [claim] jumpers” (Umbeck 1981, 53).

The mining camps hired “enforcement specialists”—justices of the peace and arbitrators—and developed an extensive body of property and criminal law. As a result, there was very little violence and theft. The fact that the miners were usually armed also helps to explain why crime was relatively infrequent. Benson concludes, “The contractual system of law effectively generated cooperation rather than conflict, and on those occasions when conflict arose it was, by and large, effectively quelled through nonviolent means” (1998, 105).

http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=803

I live in what was once a Wild West area. Interested in the history and of course incidents tend to be well reported and justice swift.

Just a thought, could this be a model for #BLM?

[TBoneTX 46,445]

What do the units on the vertical axis represent?

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

What do the units on the vertical axis represent?

I believe homicides per 100,000 of population. It was 3.9 for the US for 2013.

[Boiler 46,412]

Rate per 100k