One week to nowhere

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

I don't know how many of you regulars feel here, but I am bothered by the recent banning of one of our regulars. Not that I always agreed with his perspective on things, but he had a right to express himself, and the particular post he got the final boot for was no more than what goes on here every single day, by nearly every member of this forum.

I understand the need for moderation, and I agree that personal attacks and hate speech against groups of people shouldn't be allowed (though even a fair bit of that goes on here regularly, thinly veiled). But IMO, this particular permaban was over the top. Many of us have gotten timeouts, even some on the Platinum Plan like NB (I can't afford the cost). It bugs me that we come here, talk our little hearts out, and every time we click on a link, or submit a post, the owner gets money for it. And a LOT of money, at that. But now, thanks to a little Chinese fishing comment that someone took the wrong way, we have lost a guy who had been here for 10 years. Longer than most of us.

Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but I feel it was wrong. Just as I felt when others here, from both sides of the ditch, got the boot. I guess at the end of the day, we are all expendable, if our viewpoint doesn't marry up with what the owner/moderators deem appropriate. Sad situation.

Tonight, I will take a knee for our fallen comrade. Can't stand up for nor salute the decision that was cast.

Edited September 16, 2016 by LFEHFN

[Merrytooth 5,748]

I wonder how long this thread will take to disappear ...

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Do you have an opinion to offer, or was this just a drive by?

I wonder how long this thread will take to disappear ...

[Merrytooth 5,748]

Teddy asked the same question yesterday and his thread got deleted within 8 min.

[Neonred 3,564]

Teddy asked the same question yesterday and his thread got deleted within 8 min.

Mods don't like it when you question their actions, and sometimes they retaliate.

Even I have experienced this before.

[CarlosAndSveta 808]

Tonight, I will take a knee for our fallen comrade. Can't stand up for nor salute the decision that was cast.

I'm surprised your comrade wasn't banned earlier given his history of posting articles in which he tried to denigrate people of color, especially blacks and Muslims. This should not be tolerated on a website dedicated to helping people immigrate to the U.S. since many of the people that immigrate here are people of color and or Muslims.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I'm surprised your comrade wasn't banned earlier given his history of posting articles in which he tried to denigrate people of color, especially blacks and Muslims. This should not be tolerated on a website dedicated to helping people immigrate to the U.S. since many of the people that immigrate here are people of color and or Muslims.

Your post is on spot. I'll elaborate on your post some more. Like comments on the LGBT community too! Constant baiting and deeming my husband and I of being supporters of terrorist.

The type of racist and discriminatory rhetoric he has been pushing on this site for 10+ years should have never been allowed in the first place. Now that he is gone maybe some of us can have some discussions without being attacked or feeling like every post is about us.

You know, no guns for negroes, thugs, genetic criminals.

For once, I am happy with what the mods have done.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I don't know how many of you regulars feel here, but I am bothered by the recent banning of one of our regulars. Not that I always agreed with his perspective on things, but he had a right to express himself, and the particular post he got the final boot for was no more than what goes on here every single day, by nearly every member of this forum.

I understand the need for moderation, and I agree that personal attacks and hate speech against groups of people shouldn't be allowed (though even a fair bit of that goes on here regularly, thinly veiled). But IMO, this particular permaban was over the top. Many of us have gotten timeouts, even some on the Platinum Plan like NB (I can't afford the cost). It bugs me that we come here, talk our little hearts out, and every time we click on a link, or submit a post, the owner gets money for it. And a LOT of money, at that. But now, thanks to a little Chinese fishing comment that someone took the wrong way, we have lost a guy who had been here for 10 years. Longer than most of us.

Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but I feel it was wrong. Just as I felt when others here, from both sides of the ditch, got the boot. I guess at the end of the day, we are all expendable, if our viewpoint doesn't marry up with what the owner/moderators deem appropriate. Sad situation.

Tonight, I will take a knee for our fallen comrade. Can't stand up for nor salute the decision that was cast.

Agree 100% Well said.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Wow.

Your post is on spot. I'll elaborate on your post some more. Like comments on the LGBT community too! Constant baiting and deeming my husband and I of being supporters of terrorist.

The type of racist and discriminatory rhetoric he has been pushing on this site for 10+ years should have never been allowed in the first place. Now that he is gone maybe some of us can have some discussions without being attacked or feeling like every post is about us.

You know, no guns for negroes, thugs, genetic criminals.

For once, I am happy with what the mods have done.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I don't know how many of you regulars feel here, but I am bothered by the recent banning of one of our regulars. Not that I always agreed with his perspective on things, but he had a right to express himself, and the particular post he got the final boot for was no more than what goes on here every single day, by nearly every member of this forum.

I understand the need for moderation, and I agree that personal attacks and hate speech against groups of people shouldn't be allowed (though even a fair bit of that goes on here regularly, thinly veiled). But IMO, this particular permaban was over the top. Many of us have gotten timeouts, even some on the Platinum Plan like NB (I can't afford the cost). It bugs me that we come here, talk our little hearts out, and every time we click on a link, or submit a post, the owner gets money for it. And a LOT of money, at that. But now, thanks to a little Chinese fishing comment that someone took the wrong way, we have lost a guy who had been here for 10 years. Longer than most of us.

Maybe I am the only one who feels this way, but I feel it was wrong. Just as I felt when others here, from both sides of the ditch, got the boot. I guess at the end of the day, we are all expendable, if our viewpoint doesn't marry up with what the owner/moderators deem appropriate. Sad situation.

Tonight, I will take a knee for our fallen comrade. Can't stand up for nor salute the decision that was cast.

A few things:

This site has a TOS. One that's a bit wonky sometimes, but that's the price of being here. I've seen some shady bans and questionable judgement calls, but we're on someone's site as guests. Unless you pay, or run it, you have to play the game. Folks get warnings and if you don't adhere to the rules, you get the boot. It's real simple.

Now, on to the real issue. The member in question has been here for over a decade. More than a few of us felt that he was given quite a wide berth in regards to posting, given his exclusive posting history of only 3 topics give or take. Personally seen it where his thread, while derogatory towards an entire group of people, was left alone and his speech unimpeded, while a member was banned for just speaking his name in the same thread. So the fact he was banned, means he's probably been skating on thin ice longer than any of us. And was probably warned more than any of us combined. Free speech is freedom to speak your mind, it doesn't protect you from the consequences of your words.

I spoke upon this in that thread where it was brought up. The folks are mad that he got the boot, but let's keep it 100. We all knew the history, and with the bans going out more frequently, someone on his side of the fence should have said something to him. He wouldn't listen to me or any other MDL, but one of you could have reached him. I know here I've said some things that might have not been what I meant or even flat out wrong, and folks in the MDL corrected me. If I felt it was wrong, I apologized and made the correction, if I was right, I broke out the receipts. And I've done the same for a few members that I always agree with. That's what you do, you hold yourself and those in your company responsible for your actions, so there's no raised eyebrows in terms of integrity.

But I find it unusual to say the least. Another member said they stay out of folks business when it comes to blanket generalizations(at least in the realm of certain minorities) but make a blanket statement about a group of people you might have a fancy for, they coming in ready to shed blood. You can't say you're not for something when you allow it to go unchecked forever then be hurt when the hammer comes down. Either stand up for what's right, or go down with the wrong when it's time.

You can't be against something when you're in the background saying that's none of my business in an open forum. Especially when you're in the same space making comments on it, knowing it's wrong.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

I'm sorry you think thugs and genetic criminals (or ANY criminal, for that matter) should have guns. But wouldn't taking guns away from those kind of people actually reduce crime?

I'd like to see links where he accused either of you being supporters of terrorists? Since it was constant, there should be many to share. I am sure you paid more attention than I, but I also don't recall him ever saying negroes shouldn't have guns? A link or two to those posts would be great, as well. Otherwise, this would be a personal attack, and false accusations against a former member. Against the TOS, as you well know.

I know you are upset because he often posted links that goes directly against the message you try to send out, but I don't recall him ever attacking you personally? Other than his silly memes, most of his posts consisted of links to stories that others wrote. I'd say LIB was a lot better about keeping his cool than most in the CEHST threads.

Your post is on spot. I'll elaborate on your post some more. Like comments on the LGBT community too! Constant baiting and deeming my husband and I of being supporters of terrorist.

The type of racist and discriminatory rhetoric he has been pushing on this site for 10+ years should have never been allowed in the first place. Now that he is gone maybe some of us can have some discussions without being attacked or feeling like every post is about us.

You know, no guns for negroes, thugs, genetic criminals.

For once, I am happy with what the mods have done.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Who got booted if you don't mind me asking, and how do I get on the platinum plan.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Lost in Blue got the boot. And as for the platinum plan, see NB. I think he's the membership chairperson.

Who got booted if you don't mind me asking, and how do I get on the platinum plan.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I'm sorry you think thugs and genetic criminals (or ANY criminal, for that matter) should have guns. But wouldn't taking guns away from those kind of people actually reduce crime?

I'd like to see links where he accused either of you being supporters of terrorists? Since it was constant, there should be many to share. I am sure you paid more attention than I, but I also don't recall him ever saying negroes shouldn't have guns? A link or two to those posts would be great, as well. Otherwise, this would be a personal attack, and false accusations against a former member. Against the TOS, as you well know.

I know you are upset because he often posted links that goes directly against the message you try to send out, but I don't recall him ever attacking you personally? Other than his silly memes, most of his posts consisted of links to stories that others wrote. I'd say LIB was a lot better about keeping his cool than most in the CEHST threads.

And I'm sorry that you didn't take the time to do the research before you threw out this inaccurate statement. But since you asked for receipts:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/585698-no-guns-for-negroes/

Talks about law biding black people and being denied owning guns. Which was funny, because I said this a while ago, and got ridiculed by the same member. Not criminals or thugs. Why did you think it did? Tell you what let's come back to that. So here's one, let me find another one.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/592499-chicago-police-shot-and-kill-teenager/

What about this one here? A criminal. Hood rat he calls them. The President's son he says. He relates this thug to the man who is the Commander in Chief. Because that makes sense. But it's strange, his page is completely locked and his history gone, because there's so much more. But nothing strange about that...

She's upset because all he did, day in, day out, was attack Muslims and black people. Period. I said it. Not go against our message, but call our own existence into question every chance he got. As a Muslim, I had to hear about my horrible religion from not just him, but some others. I was accused of suffering from Stockholm Syndrome:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/592583-60-year-old-christian-woman-publicly-caned-in-indonesia-for-breaking-sharia-law/page-2

But my favorite low was when Lib basically said the SC shooter was ok for killing those black church goers because of black men raping white women. Even more of the most chilled mods was disgusted by his comment. Of course, this thread is gone, again odd.

There's so much more, but it looks like the more extreme ones aren't in plain sight anymore. And every time Janelle engaged with him, he made it a point not to say something. Which is what's expected.

It's sad that NB went into a long page tirade about how positive black people aren't getting credit and the worse of us are uplifted. The best role model any black person can have, a man who has multiple degrees, married to the most awesome black woman(Janelle and Oprah are 2nd and 3rd) in the world, has two great daughters, been nothing but fiyah since day one, is the living embodiment of class, grace, and swag, oh yeah, he was elected President of the United States, twice, and he's the black man some of you can't stand, a good chunk of you don't even believe he's an American citizen or he's a secret Muslim. Like it matters.

[OriZ 3,157]

But I find it unusual to say the least. Another member said they stay out of folks business when it comes to blanket generalizations(at least in the realm of certain minorities) but make a blanket statement about a group of people you might have a fancy for, they coming in ready to shed blood. You can't say you're not for something when you allow it to go unchecked forever then be hurt when the hammer comes down. Either stand up for what's right, or go down with the wrong when it's time.

You can't be against something when you're in the background saying that's none of my business in an open forum. Especially when you're in the same space making comments on it, knowing it's wrong.

It's funny how I have to be brought up everywhere ​ Like, what does it have to do with this conversation?