New K1 subforums?

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

Yeah, I am the guilty one on that. :-p In general everyone I would like to say that moderation is a passive event and that I would emphasize that you should please report any threads using the "report tool" if you believe something is a violation of the TOS. Since generally speaking the moderation team does not read 99.9% of posts then the only way we are aware of issues is if you report them. On some of the topics brought up in this thread I would simply say that there is always a fine line between allowing absolute freedom for people to say whatever they want, and then the side where posting comments (personal attacks for example) go beyond what is acceptable. We are human and the moderation of the site will often make mistakes -- however the goal is to fairly and impartially enforce the TOS. Please at any time you can always PM me in confidence if you have any comments on how you think the site can be improved. I hope that helps!

[J&D_anon 0]

It seems to me that these very sentiments are the reason people might feel there's resentment:

At a certain point, a level of frustration and "who decided that they deserve to be with their loved one before me" kicks in ....

And, sometimes... you would like those VSC'ers who are running to the front of the line...

Yes, if you read those two quotes you mentioned and ignore the others, such as:

You don't begin to fault the VSC'ers, you become upset with the system.

and

you would like those VSC'ers who are running to the front of the line to stop and say "I'm sorry that you are not able to enjoy this joy that we are"

You would begin to feel resentment.

There was mention of human nature earlier in this thread, and I realize that it is nature in many of us to look at things like this and get defensive before you even get to the core of the issue.

To clarify, I don't EXPECT every person who goes through VSC to make a post that is sympathetic to our situation. That would just be unreasonable. It would just be nice to have them every now and again. To date, I think I have read a total of 3. Two of which were in this thread. That is the 'unity' we're ultimately looking to accomplish, is it not?

[Andy 2]

Yeah, I am the guilty one on that. :-p In general everyone I would like to say that moderation is a passive event and that I would emphasize that you should please report any threads using the "report tool" if you believe something is a violation of the TOS. ....

Well with all due respect, this isn't so much a specific TOS issue as it is an issue with maintaining better order. There are, for example, myriad's of threads where some random comment drags the thing off topic so far that the OP can't realistically get further help, or follow what's being said. Other places such as the K-1 area where the littering of 'whoopee' and 'NOA' and 'monthly filer' threads makes it hard to actually pick through the content, let alone the upset it causes to everyone else. These aren't really TOS violations, but they are detrimental to the function of the site, and there are undoubtedly other examples too.

[J&D_anon 0]

For a good reference, see this thread.

Poster#9, and a couple of people on the 2nd page to that thread. You can clearly see their frustration, but I'm missing the resentment.

I think a lot of CSC'ers conceal their true emotions for fear of being labeled or having them taken wrong... as is evident in this thread.

Just my 2 cent... as usual.

- John

[LaL 418]

altering the site so avoid hurt feelings? Im sorry - this was not the reason for the suggestion to move the service ctr threads to the USCIS Svc Ctr forum. if this early in the journey feelings are that hurt, then simply moving threads in the K1 forum isnt going to solve too much. the whole system is unfair.

Has this topic become a mountain from a molehill?

[no name 1]

Yeah, I am the guilty one on that. :-p In general everyone I would like to say that moderation is a passive event and that I would emphasize that you should please report any threads using the "report tool" if you believe something is a violation of the TOS. ....

Well with all due respect, this isn't so much a specific TOS issue as it is an issue with maintaining better order. There are, for example, myriad's of threads where some random comment drags the thing off topic so far that the OP can't realistically get further help, or follow what's being said. Other places such as the K-1 area where the littering of 'whoopee' and 'NOA' and 'monthly filer' threads makes it hard to actually pick through the content, let alone the upset it causes to everyone else. These aren't really TOS violations, but they are detrimental to the function of the site, and there are undoubtedly other examples too.

[no name 1]

altering the site so avoid hurt feelings? Im sorry - this was not the reason for the suggestion to move the service ctr threads to the USCIS Svc Ctr forum. if this early in the journey feelings are that hurt, then simply moving threads in the K1 forum isnt going to solve too much. the whole system is unfair.

Has this topic become a mountain from a molehill?

I believe it's more of altering the site to avoid 18 out of 20 posts on the first 2 K1 pages being 'I GOT NOA1!!!!' or 'I filed last week, where's my NOA2??'

More of a clutter cleanup & lettting newbies know that's where congrats posts go. That's how I took it anyhow.

Edited March 27, 2007 by devilette

[Andy 2]

Yes, if you read those two quotes you mentioned and ignore the others...

I read those items quoted in the context in which they were written, nothing more, nothing less. Those were emotive forms of expression that underpin the frustrations, but which I didn't find mitigated through other comments. What's more, in the context of the wider discussion between various members in this thread (and from previous threads on the same subject) they are indicative of the kind of things that get said, whether meant or otherwise, and which in these kind of written environments are very easily the cause of upset or confrontation.

Do I think you meant them that way? No. But I think it easy, in the context of my point that 'these very sentiments are the reason people might feel there's resentment' to use forms of words that have potential to be misconstrued, and which can't readily be taken back if it happens.

It would, I agree, be nice to see sympathetic posts from VSCers, and it's sad that it doesn't really happen and that for the most part there's no obvious way for VSC filers to be collectively aware of the issue and thus be sensitive to it. That too is something that should be fixed, because it IS the same boat we are all sailing in.

[ChasUK 0]

Yeah, I am the guilty one on that. :-p In general everyone I would like to say that moderation is a passive event and that I would emphasize that you should please report any threads using the "report tool" if you believe something is a violation of the TOS. Since generally speaking the moderation team does not read 99.9% of posts then the only way we are aware of issues is if you report them. On some of the topics brought up in this thread I would simply say that there is always a fine line between allowing absolute freedom for people to say whatever they want, and then the side where posting comments (personal attacks for example) go beyond what is acceptable. We are human and the moderation of the site will often make mistakes -- however the goal is to fairly and impartially enforce the TOS. Please at any time you can always PM me in confidence if you have any comments on how you think the site can be improved. I hope that helps!

With all due respect, unless I'm mistaken, it was my post that was deleted. A simple question, one line? If that's the case then I'm laughing like a drain.

Regards to PMing you with changes that should be suggested, I'm assuming that having deleted my post, whether you found it on your own, or it was reported for some unfathomable reason, I think it is not necessary to PM you. All you need do is read this thread. All the suggestions are right here.

Edited March 27, 2007 by Gone

[ChasUK 0]

With all due respect, unless I'm mistaken, it was my post that was deleted. A simple question, one line? If that's the case then I'm laughing like a drain.

Regards to PMing you with changes that should be suggested, I'm assuming that having deleted my post, whether you found it on your own, or it was reported for some unfathomable reason, I think it is not necessary to PM you. All you need do is read this thread. All the suggestions are right here.

Having said that, it does not make sense, what Andy replied if he was answering my question, so there must have been another post removed. Not sure what was so wrong with my question tho. The one beginning, "I'm assuming....."

[ChasUK 0]

I believe it's more of altering the site to avoid 18 out of 20 posts on the first 2 K1 pages being 'I GOT NOA1!!!!' or 'I filed last week, where's my NOA2??'

More of a clutter cleanup & lettting newbies know that's where congrats posts go. That's how I took it anyhow.

That's all I thought too. As I said earlier it amazes me how much over analysed it had become. It's a simple problem with, what seems to me to be a simple solution. Well, I guess nothing's simple round here.

[Yodrak 7]

Andy,

It's good to be seeing you posting again also, although I wish it were in the 'technical' forums. I miss your insights and our discussions on them.

Yodrak

......Alternatively.....

That's my preferred option I think!

By the way, good to 'see' you again!

[Niels Bohr 72]

Awww.

Yodrak says VJ isn't as technical as he likes! Hehe.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

I have the ability to add a "move" feature to people's accounts so that they can move threads between forums. There are several members that have this and as time goes on some of them may no longer post on the site and be able to spot these things. That was the original solution to help with this. I would be more than happy to add this ability to people's accounts that have a long time standing with the site. This feature is not a moderation thing but simply a method for people that are on the site more frequently to spot threads that are misplaced or have become misplaced and then move them accordingly. If we want I can create a sub-forum that is for immigration chatter that does not fit elsewhere (I have no clue what to call it) that things can be moved to... that is if the current forums are not enough.

Does anyone think that adding more people with the ability to move threads would be useful?

Yeah, I am the guilty one on that. :-p In general everyone I would like to say that moderation is a passive event and that I would emphasize that you should please report any threads using the "report tool" if you believe something is a violation of the TOS. Since generally speaking the moderation team does not read 99.9% of posts then the only way we are aware of issues is if you report them. On some of the topics brought up in this thread I would simply say that there is always a fine line between allowing absolute freedom for people to say whatever they want, and then the side where posting comments (personal attacks for example) go beyond what is acceptable. We are human and the moderation of the site will often make mistakes -- however the goal is to fairly and impartially enforce the TOS. Please at any time you can always PM me in confidence if you have any comments on how you think the site can be improved. I hope that helps!

With all due respect, unless I'm mistaken, it was my post that was deleted. A simple question, one line? If that's the case then I'm laughing like a drain.

Regards to PMing you with changes that should be suggested, I'm assuming that having deleted my post, whether you found it on your own, or it was reported for some unfathomable reason, I think it is not necessary to PM you. All you need do is read this thread. All the suggestions are right here.

Sounds good. I PM'd you earlier which was to explain the other thing.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Yes, it would be useful. Just make sure they are responsible.