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[rebeccajo 14]

Seriously - which CSCers feel that VSCers shouldn't be allowed to celebrate? Have I missed a rude post somewhere?

Maybe I said it wrong.

[J&D_anon 0]

Seriously - which CSCers feel that VSCers shouldn't be allowed to celebrate? Have I missed a rude post somewhere?

I think I missed that one too.

- John

Edited March 27, 2007 by John&Diana

[TracyTN 237]

Seriously - which CSCers feel that VSCers shouldn't be allowed to celebrate? Have I missed a rude post somewhere?

Maybe I didn't understand this sentiment properly?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=800153

"All the VSC filers that throw it in your face..."

Maybe. I didn't read it that way at all. In fact, Diana and I exchanged PMs at length yesterday and I never felt that they think VSCers have no right to celebrate. And John made a very succint post later in the thread and I never caught whiff of that there, either.

Edited March 27, 2007 by TracyTN

[Jenn! 918]

I'm not trying to rile anyone up even further. That's just the way that things are coming off to me.

ETA: Also, was it in this thread that someone proposed labeling threads as congratulatory threads so that CSCers wouldn't have to read about VSC approvals?

Edited March 27, 2007 by jenn3539

[TracyTN 237]

I'm not trying to rile anyone up even further. That's just the way that things are coming off to me.

I guess its all up to a bit of interpretation. Heck, I started this thread and I certainly don't believe that VSC people don't have the 'right' to celebrate. Everyone here has every right to celebrate whatever milestone they so desire, and actually, no one has the 'right' to say otherwise (IMHO).

Edit: I don't remember that (about labelling threads) but I do remember something about a congratulations forum. Would have to take time and reread.

Edited March 27, 2007 by TracyTN

[J&D_anon 0]

Seriously - which CSCers feel that VSCers shouldn't be allowed to celebrate? Have I missed a rude post somewhere?

Maybe I didn't understand this sentiment properly?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=800153

"All the VSC filers that throw it in your face..."

I'll try to explain what Diana meant by that, but I think I already know what the waters are feeling like, regarding this subject.

Imagine that you are geographically challenged and filed at a certain center in November or December. It is now March. This means you've waited, December, January, February and March.... 4 months and nothing. In the meantime, you have people who are geographically blessed that file in December and celebrate an approval in December. January filers who celebrate in January, and so on and so forth.... now it is March and you're watching those March filers celebrate. At a certain point, a level of frustration and "who decided that they deserve to be with their loved one before me" kicks in and each celebration feels like a kick while you're already down. You're watching people fly by you while you know absolutely nothing about your case that you filed 4 months ago.

You don't begin to fault the VSC'ers, you become upset with the system. And, sometimes... you would like those VSC'ers who are running to the front of the line to stop and say "I'm sorry that you are not able to enjoy this joy that we are" instead of the "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful" type response that you get when you bring to their attention how you feel. The WORST though are the VSC 'it's been 2 days since I mailed my I-129F, should I be worried that I don't have my NOA2 yet" posts.

There's more to be said, but I have a meeting. Till later

- John

[no name 1]

I'm not trying to rile anyone up even further. That's just the way that things are coming off to me.

ETA: Also, was it in this thread that someone proposed labeling threads as congratulatory threads so that CSCers wouldn't have to read about VSC approvals?

That being said, I think it would be wrong and devisive to split the threads by service center.

I do indeed support perhaps having an "I got it thread" or "Good News" thread for congrats etc...

Or even finding a way to code postings in the title with a "C" or "T" or "V". That way others don't have to open "V" threads and subject themselves to th disparity in timelines.

[rebeccajo 14]

This is really starting to upset me.

Why does it have to be VSC vs. CSC?

Transferree vs. Interviewee?

Look at our case - swift on one end, slow as Moses on the other. Things usually tend to balance themselves out. Which is why when you have some good luck with immigration, you shouldn't be gloating about it. There's always the next step where you could get bit.

I wish we could just HELP each other around here without envy.

[TracyTN 237]

I agree with John's interpretation of Diana's comment. I guess when I read it, I knew she meant it a bit more as a 'throw away' comment, but I can see how maybe it wouldn't be taken as such.

[rebeccajo 14]

I know what it feels like to get left behind. Way behind.

Most of the people we processed with are long gone. They don't post here anymore. Some are already filing to lift conditions.

For me, it's really sad to loose touch with my friends. I'm glad they are done and dusted, but I miss them.

[TracyTN 237]

This is really starting to upset me.

Why does it have to be VSC vs. CSC?

Transferree vs. Interviewee?

Look at our case - swift on one end, slow as Moses on the other. Things usually tend to balance themselves out. Which is why when you have some good luck with immigration, you shouldn't be gloating about it. There's always the next step where you could get bit.

I wish we could just HELP each other around here without envy.

I do too. And that is basically why I suggested this to begin with - to somehow try and minimize the timeline driven 'envy' that seems to be happening. I guess maybe if I hadn't posted this topic, it wouldn't have come up. I'm starting to feel bad for having done it.

[Jenn! 918]

I agree with John's interpretation of Diana's comment. I guess when I read it, I knew she meant it a bit more as a 'throw away' comment, but I can see how maybe it wouldn't be taken as such.

I'm not offended either way. I do think though that comments like that are contributing to the "us vs. them" mentality. If I interpreted it that way, I'm sure there's someone else who did too, and maybe it was a VSCer who was just about to share some good news.

I don't know, it's a very sensitive subject. I can completely understand the envy/resentment/slightly negative feelings, whatever you want to call it, towards VSCers when you're stuck at CSC.

[no name 1]

This is really starting to upset me.

Why does it have to be VSC vs. CSC?

Transferree vs. Interviewee?

Look at our case - swift on one end, slow as Moses on the other. Things usually tend to balance themselves out. Which is why when you have some good luck with immigration, you shouldn't be gloating about it. There's always the next step where you could get bit.

I wish we could just HELP each other around here without envy.

RJ, with all due respect, it's the nature of the immigration beast. It will ALWAYS be a debate & there will always be whiners & gloaters.

Edited March 27, 2007 by devilette

[Andy 2]

It seems to me that these very sentiments are the reason people might feel there's resentment:

At a certain point, a level of frustration and "who decided that they deserve to be with their loved one before me" kicks in ....

And, sometimes... you would like those VSC'ers who are running to the front of the line...

The fact is that no VSC filer has decided they deserve to be with their loved ones any faster than anyone else, and no VSCer is running to the front of the queue. They get the service they get, and characterizing it in these sort of terms in not a fair representation. If I were a VSC filer, I'd somewhat resent the implication.

What I think we all understand is the consequence in terms of the sheer frustration of watching month after month after month of filers get approved while you're still waiting to hear, but it isn't through any action, intention or desire on the part of those people that their cases are running faster in the first instance than yours. It is also an intrinsic consequence of the way the system works, and there have always been discrepancies in processing times.

Not long ago, before the AOS process was revamped, depending on where you were in the country your AOS application could take anything from 2 or 3 hours to 3 years. Some got walk-in options in their DOs and some got a prolonged queue with multiple EAD applications. Before that it was Citizenship, where some got processed in 3 months, and some weren't completed after 5 years pending. There have always been 'before that...' examples of the same things.

As victims of this iniquitous system, we should all be outraged by it's variability, inefficiency, dire bureaucracy, idiotic design and methodology, obstructive and opaque nature, whether we've been on the loosing end of the equation or not. We are ALL victims of the system in some way, and it's exactly that for which VJ is intended to help.

The frustration is understandable, the characterization isn't.

[rebeccajo 14]

I guess maybe if I hadn't posted this topic, it wouldn't have come up. I'm starting to feel bad for having done it.

Oh sugar, don't feel bad. At least it's a civilized discussion!!

I think you, Tracy, are just trying to find a solution to prevent someone from going through the 'torment' you experienced. It's not a bad idea.

I like Yodrak's idea of a 'filter'. I think we need more moderation - but I don't think we will get it. I'm not in favor of further subdivision of the forums, but only because I think that creates more 'segregation'.

Andy's right. We are all a part of this messed up system. We should be equally happy and equally outraged for each other.