New K1 subforums?

[Niels Bohr 72]

I'm an Engineer and I do deal with looking up references all the time for my task. If you asked me how to do that, how to do this, and I replied, " go and look it up in a textbook. " I would love to see the expression on the face. The point being if this forum was designed only for people to read guides, then, in reality everyone would've become some sort of scientist, or PH.D graduate already.

Edited March 28, 2007 by consolemaster

[rebeccajo 14]

Sure, if people think there might be room for improvement in those, why not? Half the point here is trying to make the K1 forum somewhere that people might come back to contribute to, and offer advice in, once they are 'done with K1', isn't it?

*raises hand*

I'm somewhat guilty of 'not coming back' - and it was out of frustration.

I literally could not find the questions amongst the 'timetracking'.

Plus it seemed redundant to answer the same 'basic questions' over and over again.

I believe if it weren't so hard to find the questions, they wouldn't even be asked.

When I joined this community was one-fifth the size it is now. It was easier to sift through the posts. That's where I believe good moderation needs to come in. We can split the K1 forum into these two categories, but I don't believe that will be 'enough' without moderation.

[Andy 2]

Seriously - where does this thread end?

The answer to that is whenever those of us who want to contribute to a discussion of the form or function of the site decide they've said what they need to and either the discussion ends naturally or a resolution is reached and implemented.

There are legitimate issues raised here that have spawned from the original suggestion. That's the nature of debate. You have the option not to read it if you think it's beneath your dignity.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

Well, while there has been plenty of confusion on what things we can charge to benefit the community, the one things that seems to be a certainty is that more members should have the 'move' feature added to their accounts. If you have a good standing with the site and have been here awhile please PM me if you are interested. I will probably add five or ten people and I apologize if I am not able to add everyone! This small change shoudl help at least with getting things organized as regular members with a little thought can clean things up as they see them .

[Otto 83]

[since its upsetting your sensibilities so badly, why don't I ask Ewok to lock this thread once he has chimed in on what he feels we should name the new forum. That, my friend, is something I'm sure we can accomodate.

Well good buddy...since you're wearing your little Junior Admin Badge today, why don't you do just that?

[TracyTN 237]

[since its upsetting your sensibilities so badly, why don't I ask Ewok to lock this thread once he has chimed in on what he feels we should name the new forum. That, my friend, is something I'm sure we can accomodate.

Well good buddy...since you're wearing your little Junior Admin Badge today, why don't you do just that?

10-4, roger wilco, over and out!

[J&D_anon 0]

Well, while there has been plenty of confusion on what things we can charge to benefit the community, the one things that seems to be a certainty is that more members should have the 'move' feature added to their accounts. If you have a good standing with the site and have been here awhile please PM me if you are interested. I will probably add five or ten people and I apologize if I am not able to add everyone! This small change shoudl help at least with getting things organized as regular members with a little thought can clean things up as they see them .

I suggest, that Tracy gets such a button, since she started the threat!

[jlvr 1]

Well, while there has been plenty of confusion on what things we can charge to benefit the community, the one things that seems to be a certainty is that more members should have the 'move' feature added to their accounts. If you have a good standing with the site and have been here awhile please PM me if you are interested. I will probably add five or ten people and I apologize if I am not able to add everyone! This small change shoudl help at least with getting things organized as regular members with a little thought can clean things up as they see them .

I suggest, that Tracy gets such a button, since she started the threat!

By the way, completely off-topic, but I love that new picture.

[Andy 2]

Well, .....

You've got to be kidding, right?!

I think we've reached, or are reaching, a number of conclusions that go rather beyond giving a handful of members the right to move posts around. First there has to be somewhere to move them to if they're in a bad place rather than just a wrong one, second there are issues of structure, thirds there are issues of direction, purpose and control..... are we to have no progress on those, or are the concerns raised here not worthy of consideration?

[J&D_anon 0]

Well, while there has been plenty of confusion on what things we can charge to benefit the community, the one things that seems to be a certainty is that more members should have the 'move' feature added to their accounts. If you have a good standing with the site and have been here awhile please PM me if you are interested. I will probably add five or ten people and I apologize if I am not able to add everyone! This small change shoudl help at least with getting things organized as regular members with a little thought can clean things up as they see them .

I suggest, that Tracy gets such a button, since she started the threat!

By the way, completely off-topic, but I love that new picture.

Since we're on the topic of being off the topic. :-( It's soooooo not my favorite picture.

- John

[meauxna 15]

Well, .....

You've got to be kidding, right?!

I think we've reached, or are reaching, a number of conclusions that go rather beyond giving a handful of members the right to move posts around. First there has to be somewhere to move them to if they're in a bad place rather than just a wrong one, second there are issues of structure, thirds there are issues of direction, purpose and control..... are we to have no progress on those, or are the concerns raised here not worthy of consideration?

I just started to write nearly the same thing....

Sorry Ewok, I don't understand how you came to that conclusion after reading here. Simply moving threads hasn't seemed to have any effect at all, except on the MENA division problem.

[J&D_anon 0]

Well, while there has been plenty of confusion on what things we can charge to benefit the community, the one things that seems to be a certainty is that more members should have the 'move' feature added to their accounts. If you have a good standing with the site and have been here awhile please PM me if you are interested. I will probably add five or ten people and I apologize if I am not able to add everyone! This small change shoudl help at least with getting things organized as regular members with a little thought can clean things up as they see them .

I suggest, that Tracy gets such a button, since she started the threat!

By the way, completely off-topic, but I love that new picture.

lol uhmmmm, thanks

Just wanted to say something, but my fiance is sooooooooooooo much better with stuff like that

These threads need some dummies in here...I offer myself

Diana

[meauxna 15]

That would not always be a problem in itself, but there would have been an unacceptable risk of misleading a user and causing potentially serious problems. The same is true of the informational content on the site as it is, except that of course because it's not widely read and users post instead, they don't see it in the guides/faq where it tends to carry more authority than a misleading post in the forum which everyone knows can't reliably be taken as true and good advice.

It certainly could be true that people simply don't have the time or interest to contribute any more, but I suspect that isn't true, based on my observations about "how" people will spend their VJ time when left without guidance. Timelines, daisy paths, fancy siggy images, 'gathering threads' etc..

I wonder if it's not a part of active moderation to strongly encourage people to write up THEIR interview experience, medical appt experience, etc---maybe have a format to help the non-writers flesh it out?. My observation has been that people LOVE to read these stories and LOVE writing up their own.. and it's *those* details where we get valuable consulate-specific tips etc. Perhaps our collective error has been in trying to capture this data into Guides and checklists and 'how to's'? Maybe if we went back to a more stripped down format and encouraged this kind of post writing, the rest would solve itself?

I stongly believe that a member-generated site is best at keeping up with changes in the Service and keeps everyone on the 'right' side of the line by encouraging people to reach their own decisions and conclusions about their cases instead of having the answer supplied. Seasoned members can help with the translation of legalese-->humanspeak so that when people DO read source material or Guides they have a better understanding of what the words mean in Immigrationlandia.

<shrug> It's a culture thing. We can talk all we want, but if the culture is not decided from the top and enforced, you get the Wild West, which is what I think VJ has been for awhile.

[J&D_anon 0]

Well, while there has been plenty of confusion on what things we can charge to benefit the community, the one things that seems to be a certainty is that more members should have the 'move' feature added to their accounts. If you have a good standing with the site and have been here awhile please PM me if you are interested. I will probably add five or ten people and I apologize if I am not able to add everyone! This small change shoudl help at least with getting things organized as regular members with a little thought can clean things up as they see them .

I suggest, that Tracy gets such a button, since she started the threat!

By the way, completely off-topic, but I love that new picture.

lol uhmmmm, thanks

Just wanted to say something, but my fiance is sooooooooooooo much better with stuff like that

These threads need some dummies in here...I offer myself

Diana

Oh well...lol....after reading it a few times....I fell completely like a dummie now

Plus, I deleted the picture, because as I just saw...my fiance didn't like it at all... like almost every picture of us *sigh*

ok....back to the topic....I have no idea what to suggest anymore!

Diana

[Andy 2]

It certainly could be true that people simply don't have the time or interest to contribute any more, but I suspect that isn't true, based on my observations about "how" people will spend their VJ time when left without guidance. Timelines, daisy paths, fancy siggy images, 'gathering threads' etc..

I wonder if it's not a part of active moderation to strongly encourage people to write up THEIR interview experience, medical appt experience, etc---maybe have a format to help the non-writers flesh it out?. My observation has been that people LOVE to read these stories and LOVE writing up their own.. and it's *those* details where we get valuable consulate-specific tips etc. Perhaps our collective error has been in trying to capture this data into Guides and checklists and 'how to's'? Maybe if we went back to a more stripped down format and encouraged this kind of post writing, the rest would solve itself?

I stongly believe that a member-generated site is best at keeping up with changes in the Service and keeps everyone on the 'right' side of the line by encouraging people to reach their own decisions and conclusions about their cases instead of having the answer supplied. Seasoned members can help with the translation of legalese-->humanspeak so that when people DO read source material or Guides they have a better understanding of what the words mean in Immigrationlandia.

<shrug> It's a culture thing. We can talk all we want, but if the culture is not decided from the top and enforced, you get the Wild West, which is what I think VJ has been for awhile.

I didn't intend to imply that people don't have interest to contribute to the guides etc any more - I think the culture has changed and it acts as a form of deterrent to that kind of participation now, and an increasingly 'trivialized' content.

I agree with you absolutely that active moderation should be about encouragement and facilitating a renewal of energy and a return to the ethos of posting experiences of interviews and the like. I think those were incredibly valuable resources when it was a common part of VJ content and where not only did such posts give insight into the system but also helped prepare those to come and show that it wasn't as much of an ordeal as they gradually come to expect as their own date grows near.

That's the kind of purpose VJ always had, and one of the most significant things it no longer does. Their lack is a disservice to our members, and I think detract greatly from our value.

And yes, absolutely to your other comments. I couldn't have said it better myself.