Why don't we all vote for Gary Johnson?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Sorry but there are a very select few participants at his rallies that actually are into that type of stuff. But what you are not addressing is the hate and bigotry on the exact opposite side going against him and his rallies. Why do you have police literally doing nothing to stop the protesters that assault people that are going into Trump rallies?

Sorry but to me building a wall is more of a metaphor about him doing/talking about what needs to get done to ensure the safety and integrity of this country. You have CBP confirming that they have stopped people that have came across the border from the Middle East and China. Why is it a bad thing to ensure that the border is protected? Why is it a bad thing to try and keep out Meth, Heroin, and other substances that are literally flooding the streets and killing people?

Well, when you get into the double digits of violent incidents that take place at his rallies, it's more than a very few. And I'll address it like this. I don't think hate and bigotry is tolerable, on either side of the aisle. But let's be clear, when you court controversy by making hateful and bigoted statements towards Hispanics, Muslims, POC, and even women to a degree, you have no room to complain. This is a direct result of his message. If the attacks from the protestors is a problem, that can be halted immediately if he would clean up his act. But he can't, because his supporters won't allow it. His entire base is comprised of people who want him to win because of his statements, not in spite of them.

And that isn't a metaphor when it's directed at folks who are law biding American citizens. I've seen the feeds where Mexican/Americans are straight targeted. Hispanics born here have it thrown at them like they're the problem. And EVERY Trump supporter I've debated has devolved into a racist tirade about 3 questions. They even went as far as to say remove anyone who isn't white from this country. That includes spouses.

As for Meth and Heroin, it's not the Mexicans you need to be worried about. Because in those poor rural counties where it's a majority white population, it's not the brown folks bringing it in.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

If the wall is a metaphor, then how can Mexico pay for a metaphor? Will they pay the US police that work the border? Will they pay for the US investigations and deportations somehow?

No. The wall is NOT a metaphor. It is his real plan. Getting Mexico to pay for a physical wall is only slightly less ludicrous than them paying for US police.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

If the wall is a metaphor, then how can Mexico pay for a metaphor? Will they pay the US police that work the border? Will they pay for the US investigations and deportations somehow?

No. The wall is NOT a metaphor. It is his real plan. Getting Mexico to pay for a physical wall is only slightly less ludicrous than them paying for US police.

Answer. They're not going to. At least that's what I'm taking away from his meeting in Mexico, where he opted not to bring it up.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/politics/donald-trump-enrique-pea-nieto-mexico/index.html

"Who pays for the wall? We didn't discuss," Trump said when asked by a reporter during a news conference following their meeting in Mexico City. "We did discuss the wall. We didn't discuss payment of the wall. That'll be for a later date."

[Sousuke 1,214]

I've decided to vote for Johnson.

Frankly this is the election where America needs to say screw both parties. Voting for either is unethical at this point.

[yuna628 9,758]

I am total agreement with you on this as well. But then you have a candidate on the other side that is exact opposite and she is a Globalist. She wants to talk about how these so called Free Trade Agreements (TTP) will help the people in the USA. When in reality that been proven (NAFTA) to actually harm the American Middle Class and lay off hundreds of thousands of people because that company is moving to Mexico because it is cheaper than in the USA. That is why they keep talking about how these agreements will help out the emerging markets and increase trade. But you never hear anything about how it harms the middle class, and enriches the Global Elites.

Globalism may be troubling to some people, but it does not ultimately provide nearly a threat in the way that fascism does. The TTP is a subject that I certainly won't see eye-to-eye with Hillary on. The TTIP is one of the agreements that is overall extremely bad. Ultimately though some of these deals tend to favor us instead of the countries we are attempting to bully on these. I say bully, because there are many governments within the EU that have an extreme dislike for such a deal. We are though, at the heart of it, a global society. We have our nations inside of the global community, but unless we forge some sort of deals in the future, it will impact stability. Businesses will do what they want to protect their bottom line, and I'm sure some would argue that is why we need smart legislation to protect American workers from abuse and outsourcing.. and they will have to butt heads with others that want the government kept out and not regulate everything. We can't have it both ways unless people stop pandering, and start doing their jobs.

i'm not hyper concerned about meth, heroin, drugs, guns etc coming across our southern border because, well - meth can be made anywhere; heroin isn't really necessary to focus on when there are prescription opiates to be had - don't think we'll ever get rid of opiates. we're thirty years into the whole d.a.r.e regime, lock people up who use prohibited substances and it's not gotten us anywhere in getting america sober, it's only succeeded in making us the most incarcerated population here on earth. i don't know about where you live, but where i'm at - we got a bit of a heroin epidemic going on. overdoses all the damn time and for the life of me i can't see how anyone could think a wall, or a metaphor for a wall from a particular 'leader' is going to 'protect and safeguard' addicts that want their fix. it's wishful thinking aligned with fear of the intruder/the other. and it's too simplistic to do anyone any good.

also, this http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/immigration/c/immigration-myths-and-facts.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/#.V8dP0vkrKUk

I now live pretty much, in what is slowly being considered the heroin/meth capital of the east coast. It's bad. Really bad (and that's saying a lot when you come from B'more). Prescription opiates is also handed out like candy when it's not being stolen. There's no proper treatment clinics, and the methadone clinic is run with such corruption, it's like our own town drug factory. The town is primarily white and that is where the drugs are and the majority of crime is drug related. Mexico is surely not bringing these drugs in. Some of it is run by gangs up and down I95, but a lot now seems to be coming home produced. One major drug haven is directly outside of the county jail. I have personally seen people selling drugs and methadone outside. I have seen people ODing right on the lawn. My husband tries to ignore the various things I point out to him, but last week was his first encounter with a woman who had OD'd in front of us right in a parking lot (of guess what giant mega store). They lock them up if they aren't dead and release them the next day, then walk across the street and do it again. No one is serious about penalizing those who have committed a crime nor are they interested in getting them unhooked.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Cause Johnson is a dope smoking sandal wearing tree hugging soft on illegal immigration bed wetting hippie

[OriZ 3,157]

The problem is... what does voting for Johnson gain you? Unless everyone in the US votes for Johnson in numbers so significant that it overrules the 'heavy red' and 'heavy blue' states that are shoe-ins for a particular candidate no matter what your vote is - ultimately a vote for him is a half vote for each person running. And that's more than Trump deserves to obtain in a civil and just society. From a policy perspective, there's many things I like about Johnson... but there are some things I don't, and those things are concerning for me personally. 17% of voters in MD are Independents or unaffiliated, and are unallowed to vote in primaries that has been a source of grave insult to these voters for a long time, but come the big event, when they can finally make their voices 'heard' it falls on deaf ears. It may feel honorable or even that one has fulfilled some unwritten moral obligation or not falling into the trappings of a 'false dilemma' but it will do nothing to change the beast in the system unless there is a real and fundamental sweeping change. This year it is fundamentally critical to our society to stave off fascism, and I think people will realize that. Could I hope that everyone puts that effort into something truly different in order to send a message? Sure. But it's not going to happen. Sorry for the cynicism, but it will come down to people going for the lesser of two evils again.

That was the prevailing thought of alot of us for a while whether we preferred Trump over Clinton or Clinton over Trump by a narrow margin, but I think most people by now just don't care to think that way anymore. I know I don't. That's the option we have been given, not chosen. And the best option is to vote for none of them. The weird thing is the person I spoke to that is going to vote for Trump, is far from being a socialist. Yet if Bernie was an option, he'd vote for him. But he can't do Clinton so he's going with Trump...but most of us cannot in good conscience vote for either. Johnson as I have said has in total more issues I agree with on in general, but the few I don't are just too far away from me, so not a good fit either. But the thing that surprised even me was that even those who would really, really NOT want to see Trump ever sit, are not going to vote for Clinton, and we're talking long time dems and socialists. There used to be "Never Trump" or "Never Clinton" camps but now it seems the "never both" camp is growing, while acknowledging one of them will have to get in.

I totally agree with you as well about Johnson. There are some stuff that I really like about him, but on the other hand the stuff that I don't like about him are really concerning to me. But to me the lesser of the two evils is Trump. I keep hearing how people think he is a fascist and I just don't see it at all. I think he is a Nationalist and Clinton is a Globalist. I would rather have a Nationalist any day of the week over a Globalist who is only concerned about shipping our jobs overseas.

That's kind of what I've said all along(about all 3), but I really can't vote for any of them. I'm the only one I agree with 100% of the time so I decided to vote for me. Part of it is also a silent protest I guess not only about not liking any of the candidates but also the fact that if you're not born in the US you can't be elected which as I have stated before I don't believe should be the case. Mind you, I'm not saying I would ever even consider it personally because who would really want that kind of headache, so it's nothing personal about me, but it's my way of showing I disagree with it.

I've decided to vote for Johnson.

Frankly this is the election where America needs to say screw both parties. Voting for either is unethical at this point.

Agree about the bolded part.

Cause Johnson is a dope smoking sandal wearing tree hugging soft on illegal immigration bed wetting hippie

You liked him for like 2 days didn't you?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

That was the prevailing thought of alot of us for a while whether we preferred Trump over Clinton or Clinton over Trump by a narrow margin, but I think most people by now just don't care to think that way anymore. I know I don't. That's the option we have been given, not chosen. And the best option is to vote for none of them. The weird thing is the person I spoke to that is going to vote for Trump, is far from being a socialist. Yet if Bernie was an option, he'd vote for him. But he can't do Clinton so he's going with Trump...but most of us cannot in good conscience vote for either. Johnson as I have said has in total more issues I agree with on in general, but the few I don't are just too far away from me, so not a good fit either. But the thing that surprised even me was that even those who would really, really NOT want to see Trump ever sit, are not going to vote for Clinton, and we're talking long time dems and socialists. There used to be "Never Trump" or "Never Clinton" camps but now it seems the "never both" camp is growing, while acknowledging one of them will have to get in.

That's kind of what I've said all along(about all 3), but I really can't vote for any of them. I'm the only one I agree with 100% of the time so I decided to vote for me. Part of it is also a silent protest I guess not only about not liking any of the candidates but also the fact that if you're not born in the US you can't be elected which as I have stated before I don't believe should be the case. Mind you, I'm not saying I would ever even consider it personally because who would really want that kind of headache, so it's nothing personal about me, but it's my way of showing I disagree with it.

Agree about the bolded part.

You liked him for like 2 days didn't you?

It was more like 4. Then I saw his town hall meeting

[OriZ 3,157]

. And EVERY Trump supporter I've debated has devolved into a racist tirade about 3 questions. They even went as far as to say remove anyone who isn't white from this country. That includes spouses.

I don't know what kind of Trump supporters you know, but none of the ones I know have anything racist to say. It's mostly about trade, the fact he's not a politician, etc.

It was more like 4. Then I saw his town hall meeting

Shoulda done your homework buddy. I still think he's better than the other 2, even though I thought all along there are a few really scary things about him. Goes to show how scary the other two are.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I don't know what kind of Trump supporters you know, but none of the ones I know have anything racist to say. It's mostly about trade, the fact he's not a politician, etc.

Shoulda done your homework buddy. I still think he's better than the other 2, even though I thought all along there are a few really scary things about him. Goes to show how scary the other two are.

Or go to any social media platform and look at Trump supporters and their TL or wall.

[smilesammich 10,727]

i know a few trump supporters irl and i've heard bigoted comments from all of them. some far worse than others but, it's sort of crazy how open folks can be with their 'views' when there aren't any minorities around. ive also had the awkward experience of a trump supporter excusing the black guy in the room because he 'was good people' but he must understand how 'most blacks leech the system' and doesn't that pissed him off? maybe it's about trade up in Vermont, but here trump is about a (weird-obsessive) hatred of hillary, mexicans, thugs, and baby mommas.

oxford comma ftw!

[Rob L 3,811]

Cause Johnson is a dope smoking sandal wearing tree hugging soft on illegal immigration bed wetting hippie

is that a bad thing?

[smilesammich 10,727]

is that a bad thing?

bed wetting sort of sucks.

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

i know a few trump supporters irl and i've heard bigoted comments from all of them. some far worse than others but, it's sort of crazy how open folks can be with their 'views' when there aren't any minorities around. ive also had the awkward experience of a trump supporter excusing the black guy in the room because he 'was good people' but he must understand how 'most blacks leech the system' and doesn't that pissed him off? maybe it's about trade up in Vermont, but here trump is about a (weird-obsessive) hatred of hillary, mexicans, thugs, and baby mommas.

oxford comma ftw!

Aaahh the gold standard of anecdotal evidence. If I told you that I know plenty of Trump supporters that I've never heard a bigoted word from and several local Democrats who I have? What then? These people feel much more comfortable with Clinton than Obama because she is that old white Southern slave owner type. She's certainly no threat to the racists still in the Democratic party, if anything she is just another good old white boy Republican of years past.

Edited September 2, 2016 by N-o-l-a

[Jacque67 7,328]

bed wetting sort of sucks.

I love wet sheets!!!!!!!