Why don't we all vote for Gary Johnson?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Since the majority of us will never agree on whether Hillary or Trump sucks the most, why don't we all just vote for Gary Johnson, and cross our fingers/pray that America can be better than it has been?

[OriZ 3,157]

You know, it's been refreshing to spend the last 6 days in WI with the enlarged incredibly diverse family, and get everyone's opinions on things. The shocking thing for me is that nobody has said they will vote for Clinton, even those who are usually democrats. Another shocking thing is many liked Sanders, even those who aren't socialists. But, everyone very much respects one another and is very receptive to hearing other points of views. I really only know of two that will be voting for Trump, one was even at one of his rallies and thought it was good. Other than that I could swear they are voting for either Johnson or no one or themselves like me. I tried to explain to him why I did not believe Trump is a good option but had to cut it short cause one of the lil dudes kept calling me to push him on the swing.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

There is not enough time for Gary to get most of the votes. He's too late into the game. I can't risk voting for Gary then allowing Trump to win.

[yuna628 9,758]

The problem is... what does voting for Johnson gain you? Unless everyone in the US votes for Johnson in numbers so significant that it overrules the 'heavy red' and 'heavy blue' states that are shoe-ins for a particular candidate no matter what your vote is - ultimately a vote for him is a half vote for each person running. And that's more than Trump deserves to obtain in a civil and just society. From a policy perspective, there's many things I like about Johnson... but there are some things I don't, and those things are concerning for me personally. 17% of voters in MD are Independents or unaffiliated, and are unallowed to vote in primaries that has been a source of grave insult to these voters for a long time, but come the big event, when they can finally make their voices 'heard' it falls on deaf ears. It may feel honorable or even that one has fulfilled some unwritten moral obligation or not falling into the trappings of a 'false dilemma' but it will do nothing to change the beast in the system unless there is a real and fundamental sweeping change. This year it is fundamentally critical to our society to stave off fascism, and I think people will realize that. Could I hope that everyone puts that effort into something truly different in order to send a message? Sure. But it's not going to happen. Sorry for the cynicism, but it will come down to people going for the lesser of two evils again.

[smilesammich 10,727]

last night, my son was all but begging me to vote for hillary 'just in case' trump might win. poor kid.

the deeper we go into this election cycle, i'm having a hard time accepting this election as anything but a mockery of americans. i think we should all vote for mike judge, because apparently he's a friggin soothsayer.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Because he is a bad candidate.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Since the majority of us will never agree on whether Hillary or Trump sucks the most, why don't we all just vote for Gary Johnson, and cross our fingers/pray that America can be better than it has been?

While I don't care for either candidate personally, I don't think there's any question who 'sucks' the most.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

The problem is... what does voting for Johnson gain you? Unless everyone in the US votes for Johnson in numbers so significant that it overrules the 'heavy red' and 'heavy blue' states that are shoe-ins for a particular candidate no matter what your vote is - ultimately a vote for him is a half vote for each person running. And that's more than Trump deserves to obtain in a civil and just society. From a policy perspective, there's many things I like about Johnson... but there are some things I don't, and those things are concerning for me personally. 17% of voters in MD are Independents or unaffiliated, and are unallowed to vote in primaries that has been a source of grave insult to these voters for a long time, but come the big event, when they can finally make their voices 'heard' it falls on deaf ears. It may feel honorable or even that one has fulfilled some unwritten moral obligation or not falling into the trappings of a 'false dilemma' but it will do nothing to change the beast in the system unless there is a real and fundamental sweeping change. This year it is fundamentally critical to our society to stave off fascism, and I think people will realize that. Could I hope that everyone puts that effort into something truly different in order to send a message? Sure. But it's not going to happen. Sorry for the cynicism, but it will come down to people going for the lesser of two evils again.

I totally agree with you as well about Johnson. There are some stuff that I really like about him, but on the other hand the stuff that I don't like about him are really concerning to me. But to me the lesser of the two evils is Trump. I keep hearing how people think he is a fascist and I just don't see it at all. I think he is a Nationalist and Clinton is a Globalist. I would rather have a Nationalist any day of the week over a Globalist who is only concerned about shipping our jobs overseas.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Did you say he's a Nationalist?

Bwahahahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=RJiUkE-88t8

He's already sent jobs overseas

Edited August 31, 2016 by Janelle2002

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I totally agree with you as well about Johnson. There are some stuff that I really like about him, but on the other hand the stuff that I don't like about him are really concerning to me. But to me the lesser of the two evils is Trump. I keep hearing how people think he is a fascist and I just don't see it at all. I think he is a Nationalist and Clinton is a Globalist. I would rather have a Nationalist any day of the week over a Globalist who is only concerned about shipping our jobs overseas.

Have you seen Trump rallies? Hate and bigotry is literally the order of the day.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/02/a_list_of_violent_incidents_at_donald_trump_rallies_and_events.html

Anytime you have protestors AND rally participants beating people up, it's time to reassess your strategy.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/students-held-trump-cutout-chanted-build-wall-article-1.2547486

When your presidential candidate's name has become the go to slur for people of Mexican and Hispanic descent, you don't have an image problem, you're a bigot.

Because when you say build that wall to a bunch of Latinos who are majority American citizens, we know you're not aiming at the undocumented citizens...

[yuna628 9,758]

I totally agree with you as well about Johnson. There are some stuff that I really like about him, but on the other hand the stuff that I don't like about him are really concerning to me. But to me the lesser of the two evils is Trump. I keep hearing how people think he is a fascist and I just don't see it at all. I think he is a Nationalist and Clinton is a Globalist. I would rather have a Nationalist any day of the week over a Globalist who is only concerned about shipping our jobs overseas.

Nationalism breeds and is a bed-fellow of fascism, which is something a lawful society that believes in the principles of liberty, freedom, and equality for all should want nothing to do with. Nationalism looks very attractive to some... I'm not one of those people, and I believe that the underlying goodness in our people will win over such movements or else we will truly be doomed.

The lesser of two evils is really a part of the false dilemma equation which to some is a political fallacy designed to keep people in check with the status quo. That is why we trade worse for worse with no advancement, and it is why across the world (of which the US is not immune) has stoked the rise of pro-fascist movements sugarcoated in 'packages' that are 'easier to swallow' (I think Jay has mentioned that around here).

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Have you seen Trump rallies? Hate and bigotry is literally the order of the day.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/02/a_list_of_violent_incidents_at_donald_trump_rallies_and_events.html

Anytime you have protestors AND rally participants beating people up, it's time to reassess your strategy.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/students-held-trump-cutout-chanted-build-wall-article-1.2547486

When your presidential candidate's name has become the go to slur for people of Mexican and Hispanic descent, you don't have an image problem, you're a bigot.

Because when you say build that wall to a bunch of Latinos who are majority American citizens, we know you're not aiming at the undocumented citizens...

Sorry but there are a very select few participants at his rallies that actually are into that type of stuff. But what you are not addressing is the hate and bigotry on the exact opposite side going against him and his rallies. Why do you have police literally doing nothing to stop the protesters that assault people that are going into Trump rallies?

Sorry but to me building a wall is more of a metaphor about him doing/talking about what needs to get done to ensure the safety and integrity of this country. You have CBP confirming that they have stopped people that have came across the border from the Middle East and China. Why is it a bad thing to ensure that the border is protected? Why is it a bad thing to try and keep out Meth, Heroin, and other substances that are literally flooding the streets and killing people?

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Nationalism breeds and is a bed-fellow of fascism, which is something a lawful society that believes in the principles of liberty, freedom, and equality for all should want nothing to do with. Nationalism looks very attractive to some... I'm not one of those people, and I believe that the underlying goodness in our people will win over such movements or else we will truly be doomed.

The lesser of two evils is really a part of the false dilemma equation which to some is a political fallacy designed to keep people in check with the status quo. That is why we trade worse for worse with no advancement, and it is why across the world (of which the US is not immune) has stoked the rise of pro-fascist movements sugarcoated in 'packages' that are 'easier to swallow' (I think Jay has mentioned that around here).

I am total agreement with you on this as well. But then you have a candidate on the other side that is exact opposite and she is a Globalist. She wants to talk about how these so called Free Trade Agreements (TTP) will help the people in the USA. When in reality that been proven (NAFTA) to actually harm the American Middle Class and lay off hundreds of thousands of people because that company is moving to Mexico because it is cheaper than in the USA. That is why they keep talking about how these agreements will help out the emerging markets and increase trade. But you never hear anything about how it harms the middle class, and enriches the Global Elites.

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

Clinton and Trump are both terrible and I mean really and truly terrible. My only slight leaning towards Hils was to steer the country away from this over the top campaign Republicans have been on to restrict access to abortion as of late.

I'm voting Johnson.

Will it matter being in a solid blue state? Nope.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Sorry but there are a very select few participants at his rallies that actually are into that type of stuff. But what you are not addressing is the hate and bigotry on the exact opposite side going against him and his rallies. Why do you have police literally doing nothing to stop the protesters that assault people that are going into Trump rallies?

Sorry but to me building a wall is more of a metaphor about him doing/talking about what needs to get done to ensure the safety and integrity of this country. You have CBP confirming that they have stopped people that have came across the border from the Middle East and China. Why

i'm not hyper concerned about meth, heroin, drugs, guns etc coming across our southern border because, well - meth can be made anywhere; heroin isn't really necessary to focus on when there are prescription opiates to be had - don't think we'll ever get rid of opiates. we're thirty years into the whole d.a.r.e regime, lock people up who use prohibited substances and it's not gotten us anywhere in getting america sober, it's only succeeded in making us the most incarcerated population here on earth. i don't know about where you live, but where i'm at - we got a bit of a heroin epidemic going on. overdoses all the damn time and for the life of me i can't see how anyone could think a wall, or a metaphor for a wall from a particular 'leader' is going to 'protect and safeguard' addicts that want their fix. it's wishful thinking aligned with fear of the intruder/the other. and it's too simplistic to do anyone any good.

also, this http://www.adl.org/civil-rights/immigration/c/immigration-myths-and-facts.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/#.V8dP0vkrKUk