Colin Kaepernick explains why he sat during national anthem

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I am not upset, I think he is a bit of a ####### and has forgotten he is in the entertainment business and pissing of a chunk of your base is not a very good idea.

But his call.

You do realize that sports and protesting go back a long way right?

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/28/sports-protests-sterling.html

That's how they brought light to issues. By using their celebrity and status to start the conversation.

But let's be clear shall we? What's really got folks in their feeling is a black man, being paid to play and entertain large sums of money, has the nerve to complain. That's the heart of all of this.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Why would I not like it? The verse was written to to insult the British who were fighting against the people who sought freedom from British rule. Good on them for doing so. And good on FSK for making fun of the Brits for their ways.

Allow me to help you become more educated on the meaning behind the stanza:

"Key, a Washington lawyer, witnessed the September 1814 Battle of Baltimore from a truce ship in the harbor, where he had been confined for the duration of the battle after negotiating for the release of an American prisoner. Key revised his initial on-the-spot draft of the song several times before publishing it as a broadside, titled The Defence of Fort McHenry. Various East Coast newspapers republished the song, which was renamed The Star-Spangled Banner by early November.

Of the three less-familiar verses, the third is the most interesting. It taunts the British Army, referring to the invaders as the band who so vauntingly swore/that the havoc of war & the battles confusion would strip Americans of a home & a Country. By calling them a band, rather than an army, Key diminishes the status of the British forces, whose blood has washd out their foul footsteps pollution.

Keys association of the British Army with hirelings and slaves was meant to be an insult. As historian Kevin Levin writes, the British Army liberated enslaved people in the Chesapeake region and recruited them as soldiers during the War of 1812. To Key, freemen, as he calls Americans, were to be lauded for their patriotic convictions, while slaves who enlisted to gain their personal liberation were to be disdained."

Sounds to me like a lawyer who was proud of his fellow countrymen for their bravery and courage in repelling the British.

Exactly why are private corporations being forced to sing the star spangled banner anyway?

The next time you complain, sing this part. Insert yourself into this situation and tell me if you still like it. Tell me if your footsteps smell foul and polluted. Tell me if you can imagine your blood washed out and imagine no one can save you, white slave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore

That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,

A home and a country, should leave us no more?

Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.

No refuge could save the hireling and white slave

From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:

And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Why would I not like it? The verse was written to to insult the British who were fighting against the people who sought freedom from British rule. Good on them for doing so. And good on FSK for making fun of the Brits for their ways.

Allow me to help you become more educated on the meaning behind the stanza:

"Key, a Washington lawyer, witnessed the September 1814 Battle of Baltimore from a truce ship in the harbor, where he had been confined for the duration of the battle after negotiating for the release of an American prisoner. Key revised his initial on-the-spot draft of the song several times before publishing it as a broadside, titled The Defence of Fort McHenry. Various East Coast newspapers republished the song, which was renamed The Star-Spangled Banner by early November.

Of the three less-familiar verses, the third is the most interesting. It taunts the British Army, referring to the invaders as the band who so vauntingly swore/that the havoc of war & the battles confusion would strip Americans of a home & a Country. By calling them a band, rather than an army, Key diminishes the status of the British forces, whose blood has washd out their foul footsteps pollution.

Keys association of the British Army with hirelings and slaves was meant to be an insult. As historian Kevin Levin writes, the British Army liberated enslaved people in the Chesapeake region and recruited them as soldiers during the War of 1812. To Key, freemen, as he calls Americans, were to be lauded for their patriotic convictions, while slaves who enlisted to gain their personal liberation were to be disdained."

Sounds to me like a lawyer who was proud of his fellow countrymen for their bravery and courage in repelling the British.

You left this part out.

"So when Key penned No refuge could save the hireling and slave / From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves whod freed themselves. His perspective may have been affected by the fact he owned several slaves himself."

[Boiler 45,730]

Just because somebody is good at sport has no obvious connection with anything else, whatever their race.

And there are plenty of non black examples.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Just because somebody is good at sport has no obvious connection with anything else, whatever their race.

And there are plenty of non black examples.

I am pretty sure if I showed up to work and started making political statements I would be unemployed.

Protest fine. Do it on your own dime.

[smilesammich 10,727]

i'm pretty sure if you showed up to work and had to stand with your entire company for the national anthem, you'd be in china.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

i'm pretty sure if you showed up to work and had to stand with your entire company for the national anthem, you'd be in china.

????? north Korea singing the I love Kim song!! Soon coming to the Philippines near you with dictator Duterte!!?????

[smilesammich 10,727]

????? north Korea singing the I love Kim song!! Soon coming to the Philippines near you with dictator Duterte!!?????

i do not know how to show my solidarity, alas i am out of ones

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

No ma'am, I did not leave it out. It wasn't on the site I was quoting from. Perhaps we found it on different sites, different perspectives?

But the way I read it, the "hirelings and slaves" were trading freedom from slavery for... Slavery in service to the Brits. And they were either going to run or die. While I cannot say for sure if FSK was upset because he owned slaves and was losing them, I can actually see it being penned that way because it was the end goal of the war... Chase the opposition away or kill them.

You left this part out.

"So when Key penned No refuge could save the hireling and slave / From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, he was taking great satisfaction in the death of slaves whod freed themselves. His perspective may have been affected by the fact he owned several slaves himself."

[Janelle2002 3,865]

i do not know how to show my solidarity, alas i am out of ones

I so graciously accept your IOU??

[smilesammich 10,727]

and here i thought school was in session and learnin was to be had!

nope, just different strokes for different folks.

I so graciously accept your IOU??

[Janelle2002 3,865]

No ma'am, I did not leave it out. It wasn't on the site I was quoting from. Perhaps we found it on different sites, different perspectives?

But the way I read it, the "hirelings and slaves" were trading freedom from slavery for... Slavery in service to the Brits. And they were either going to run or die. While I cannot say for sure if FSK was upset because he owned slaves and was losing them, I can actually see it being penned that way because it was the end goal of the war... Chase the opposition away or kill them.

Again, glorifying the killing of slaves. I wouldn't want to salute this song everytime I worked either. It's not right

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Pretty sure you'd be wrong. Did it for many years, and never been to China yet. I have also stood out of respect for the national anthems of Germany, S. Korea, Japan, and the Philippines, even though I am not a citizen of those countries. You see, respect is something shown not because it is forced, but because it is the right thing to do.

i'm pretty sure if you showed up to work and had to stand with your entire company for the national anthem, you'd be in china.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Bear in mind when he wrote this, he was talking about their role in the opposing army. Hirelings, as in paid mercenaries, that would themselves kill Americans if they got a shot off first. War is hell, eh?

Again, glorifying the killing of slaves soldiers. I wouldn't want to salute this song everytime I worked either. It's not right

[smilesammich 10,727]

Pretty sure you'd be wrong. Did it for many years, and never been to China yet. I have also stood out of respect for the national anthems of Germany, S. Korea, Japan, and the Philippines, even though I am not a citizen of those countries. You see, respect is something shown not because it is forced, but because it is the right thing to do.

of course you're sure i'm wrong. you also have no idea how a person could respect their country and their armed forces (ESPECIALLY their veterans) and do something as abhorrent as take a knee to draw attention to a cause.

you see, you're coming at kaepernick from the land of forced respect is the right thing to do. no me, that's not at all where i'm coming from. i'd bet that if kaepernick were playing a game in germany, s. korea, japan, phillipines, china etc etc..he'd stand for their national anthems. if you're belligerent that he would show respect for these countries but not 'show respect' for his own..maybe it's time i provide you with some learnin. can i give you reading list? how about we start with a little thoreau???

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper2/thoreau/civil.html

have at it, hotshot