Babies, Children, Mentally Incapacitated Get Into Heaven for Free

[Niels Bohr 72]

LOL. A religious person wants to explain what chiralty is to me. Ridiculous.

The moment you can show me proof, that's the moment I belief. I do not take faith as consideration for your safety.

Someone mentioned earlier that a person who don't believe ' god, ' that's right lowercase god, and submitted his hours to philanthropy or dedicate so many years of his life helping people will goto hell based on this so called bible. That person will not tolerate god's existence. He is his own god.

Edited March 27, 2007 by consolemaster

[chri'stina 190]

I'm wonder whether 'should they?' means God's opened the question up for a public debate.

I personally think that a poll questioning if what God does is fair is just silly. Who are we to voice our opinions? What are ya gonna do if you don't like what He does, form a picket line and strike????

I believe we are free to ask God "why?" anytime we want to. For me, reading Psalms in the Bible, with David moaning and crying out to God for answers and help is enough for me to know I am allowed to do that also. I believe He wants us to understand Him more and wants to help us understand things we don't. So if I don't understand something in the Bible, I am free to ask God "Why is this here or why does it say this? Why did you decide this?I don't get it. Help me understand." IMO He likes when we do that because we are not only asking why but asking for his help to understand it.

LOL. A religious person wants to explain what chiralty is to me. Ridiculous.

The moment you can show me proof, that's the moment I belief. I do not take faith as consideration for your safety.

Whose post are you replying to?

[Niels Bohr 72]

I'm replying to Rob posts about chiralty, the mathematics of asymmetry within the universe.

[chri'stina 190]

I'm replying to Rob posts about chiralty, the mathematics of asymmetry within the universe.

Ah ok, I was confused.

[chri'stina 190]

LOL. A religious person wants to explain what chiralty is to me. Ridiculous.

The moment you can show me proof, that's the moment I belief. I do not take faith as consideration for your safety.

Someone mentioned earlier that a person who don't believe ' god, ' that's right lowercase god, and submitted his hours to philanthropy or dedicate so many years of his life helping people will goto hell based on this so called bible. That person will not tolerate god's existence. He is his own god.

Well, you are just stating your beliefs like me and others are too. You believe you are right, and I believe I am right, and others believe they are right. You can't prove your beliefs anymore than I can. It all takes a bit of faith.

[doodlebug 3]

I believe we are free to ask God "why?" anytime we want to. For me, reading Psalms in the Bible, with David moaning and crying out to God for answers and help is enough for me to know I am allowed to do that also. I believe He wants us to understand Him more and wants to help us understand things we don't. So if I don't understand something in the Bible, I am free to ask God "Why is this here or why does it say this? Why did you decide this?I don't get it. Help me understand." IMO He likes when we do that because we are not only asking why but asking for his help to understand it.

Well sure but do you really think the Almighty is reading VJ?

[chri'stina 190]

oops, had the wrong quote in there! lol

I believe we are free to ask God "why?" anytime we want to. For me, reading Psalms in the Bible, with David moaning and crying out to God for answers and help is enough for me to know I am allowed to do that also. I believe He wants us to understand Him more and wants to help us understand things we don't. So if I don't understand something in the Bible, I am free to ask God "Why is this here or why does it say this? Why did you decide this?I don't get it. Help me understand." IMO He likes when we do that because we are not only asking why but asking for his help to understand it.

Well sure but do you really think the Almighty is reading VJ?

Why not!

But to be serious, I don't think that matters since people ask Him about it off of VJ too I'm sure. It's just a way for people to write down what they are thinking about it.

Edited March 27, 2007 by stina&suj

[Scott & Lai 12]

Right. A man like Mark, or Luke, or John. They were men.

They were indeed men but none witnessed the crucifixion.

Actually, John was right there at the foot of the cross when Jesus died.

According to the gospel of John, yes, but there is a huge controversy over who actually wrote the gospel of John. Most say that because the writing style differs so greatly from the other three gospels that it was actually a convert, and not John the apostle.

Aside from that though, if it were true that John were there, then that would mean that the gospel of Mark 14:50 "And they all forsook him, and fled" and the gospel of Matthew 26:56 "But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled." are incorrect.

The first three Gospels are similar because they are texually related. Luke in fact states that he used a number of sources, likely including the earlier Gopspels according to Mark and Matthew, as well as personal interviews. John was written much later, and with a different audience in view. He was also countering the claims of early Gnosticism. So, it makes sense that there would be a difference in style.

As for everyone fleeing, how is that a contradiction? That refers to Jesus' arrest at Gethsemene. John and Peter later were nearby at Jesus' first trial, and John was with Mary at the cross. None of this contradicts John fleeing with the other disciples at Jesus' arrest.

Edited March 27, 2007 by Scott & Lai

[doodlebug 3]

Right. A man like Mark, or Luke, or John. They were men.

They were indeed men but none witnessed the crucifixion.

Actually, John was right there at the foot of the cross when Jesus died.

According to the gospel of John, yes, but there is a huge controversy over who actually wrote the gospel of John. Most say that because the writing style differs so greatly from the other three gospels that it was actually a convert, and not John the apostle.

Aside from that though, if it were true that John were there, then that would mean that the gospel of Mark 14:50 "And they all forsook him, and fled" and the gospel of Matthew 26:56 "But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled." are incorrect.

The first three Gospels are similar because they are texually related. Luke in fact states that he used a number of sources, likely including the earlier Gopspels according to Mark and Matthew, as well as personal interviews. John was written much later, and with a different audience in view. He was also countering the claims of early Gnosticism. So, it makes sense that there would be a difference in style.

As for everyone fleeing, how is that a contradiction? That refers to Jesus' arrest at Gethsemene. John and Peter later were nearby at Jesus' first trial, and John was with Mary at the cross. None of this contradicts John fleeing with the other disciples at Jesus' arrest.

well like you said above, you believe what you believe and I do the same.

[Niels Bohr 72]

stina&suj,

Yes, you are right. People can believe whatever they want, as long as they're happy. Some may be annoyed that someone is putting the word god in their throats, or jamming them up in the environment when they are quiet and are indifferent. You know what I mean. When I say I don't believe in god, it's not that I don't respect others, I don't want another person to speak out for me when it should not be spoken.

For example, I say, " Well, I don't believe in god because the bible has no scientific evidence. " Then the other would reply, " I'm sure you haven't read the bible yet, I understand. You seek god everyday. Someday, you'll see. "

This will not make me even more against god, it makes me more angry towards god. Do you see? Instead of making the situation better, it makes it worse.

[Scott & Lai 12]

Right. A man like Mark, or Luke, or John. They were men.

They were indeed men but none witnessed the crucifixion.

Actually, John was right there at the foot of the cross when Jesus died.

According to the gospel of John, yes, but there is a huge controversy over who actually wrote the gospel of John. Most say that because the writing style differs so greatly from the other three gospels that it was actually a convert, and not John the apostle.

Aside from that though, if it were true that John were there, then that would mean that the gospel of Mark 14:50 "And they all forsook him, and fled" and the gospel of Matthew 26:56 "But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled." are incorrect.

The first three Gospels are similar because they are texually related. Luke in fact states that he used a number of sources, likely including the earlier Gopspels according to Mark and Matthew, as well as personal interviews. John was written much later, and with a different audience in view. He was also countering the claims of early Gnosticism. So, it makes sense that there would be a difference in style.

As for everyone fleeing, how is that a contradiction? That refers to Jesus' arrest at Gethsemene. John and Peter later were nearby at Jesus' first trial, and John was with Mary at the cross. None of this contradicts John fleeing with the other disciples at Jesus' arrest.

well like you said above, you believe what you believe and I do the same.

You claimed there was a contradiction...that isn't really a matter of differences in belief, but of what actually constitutes a contradiction.

[doodlebug 3]

You claimed there was a contradiction...that isn't really a matter of differences in belief, but of what actually constitutes a contradiction.

True. It's just difficult to say you're right for me though since I believe the bible has been altered since it's original form so that is why I say that.

[JenT 0]

I'm sorry... I can't get passed the wording of the question: "for free"??? "is is fair"???