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[doodlebug 3]

No. The bible is not science. I know because I'm an Engineer. If I relied on the bible, then your life as well as everyone else here would probably suffered major consequences from my errors.

Engineers' Ethic Code:

You must never jeopardize the safety of the public.

Are you also an expert on the Bible? or have you been taught what the bible says is myth, fantasy or heresay?

I challenge you to try and dissprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ...everyone who has taken up that challenge came away with two conclusions.

1. Jesus did rise from the dead on the third day as the Bible says, and they commited their lives to Him.

2. Jesus did rise from the dead on the third day as the Bible says, and they rejected Him anyway.

Rob

Well gee there are so many contradictions about the crucifixion and resurrection I don’t know how anyone could prove or disprove it.

From the 101 contradictions in the bible: http://www.kronosofia.dk/frames/side/biblioteket/101.html

49.Did Jesus bear his own cross?

(a) Yes (John 19:17)

(B) No (Matthew 27:31-32)

50.Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?

(a) Yes (Matthew27: 50-5 1;MarklS: 37-38)

(B) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)

52.Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?

(a) On the cross (Mark 15:23)

(B) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)

53.The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?

(a) Yes (Mark 15:32)

(B) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)

54.Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?

(a) Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, "Today you will be with me in Paradise"(Luke 23:43)

(B) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, "I have not yet ascended to the Father" (John 20:17)

65.What was the exact wording on the cross?

(a) “This is Jesus the King of the Jews†(Matthew 27:37)

(B) “The King of the Jews†(Mark 15:26)

© “This is the King of the Jews†(Luke 23:38)

(d) “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews†(John 19:19)

69.Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

(a) After (Mark 14:12-17)

(B) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)

73.What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?

(a) “Certainly this man was innocent†(Luke 23:47)

(B) “Truly this man was the Son of God†(Mark 15:39)

74.When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me? †in what language did he speak?

(a) Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi…“(Matthew 27:46)

(B) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi... “(Mark 15:34)

75.According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?

(a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!†(Luke 23:46)

(B) "It is finished" (John 19:30).

81.Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

(a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)

(B) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)†(Mark 16: 1)

82.When did the women buy the spices?

(a) After “the Sabbath was past†(Mark 16:1)

(B) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.†Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment†(Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

83.At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

(a) “Toward the dawn†(Matthew 28: 1)

(B) “When the sun had risen†(Mark 16:2)

84.What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

(a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)

(B) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)

© For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)

85.A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived? (a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back†(Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb†(Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb†(John 20:1)

(B) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)

86.Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body?

(a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe†(Mark 16:5). “Two men ... in dazzling apparel†later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)

(B) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him†(John 20:2)

87.When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

(a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

(B) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him “Teacher.†Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me...†(John 20:11 to 17)

98.How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?

(a) Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)

(B) Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)

btw i have no idea how to get rid of those sunglass smiley dudes....the smiley should be a "( B )", not a cool smiley.

Edited March 26, 2007 by doodlebug

[Rob and Melinda 0]

No. The bible is not science. I know because I'm an Engineer. If I relied on the bible, then your life as well as everyone else here would probably suffered major consequences from my errors.

Engineers' Ethic Code:

You must never jeopardize the safety of the public.

Are you also an expert on the Bible? or have you been taught what the bible says is myth, fantasy or heresay?

I challenge you to try and dissprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ...everyone who has taken up that challenge came away with two conclusions.

1. Jesus did rise from the dead on the third day as the Bible says, and they commited their lives to Him.

2. Jesus did rise from the dead on the third day as the Bible says, and they rejected Him anyway.

Rob

Well gee there are so many contradictions about the crucifixion and resurrection I don’t know how anyone could prove or disprove it.

From the 101 contradictions in the bible: http://www.kronosofia.dk/frames/side/biblioteket/101.html

49.Did Jesus bear his own cross?

(a) Yes (John 19:17)

(B) No (Matthew 27:31-32)

50.Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?

(a) Yes (Matthew27: 50-5 1;MarklS: 37-38)

(B) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)

52.Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?

(a) On the cross (Mark 15:23)

(B) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)

53.The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?

(a) Yes (Mark 15:32)

(B) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)

54.Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?

(a) Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, "Today you will be with me in Paradise"(Luke 23:43)

(B) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, "I have not yet ascended to the Father" (John 20:17)

65.What was the exact wording on the cross?

(a) “This is Jesus the King of the Jews� (Matthew 27:37)

(B) “The King of the Jews� (Mark 15:26)

© “This is the King of the Jewsâ€? (Luke 23:38)

(d) “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews� (John 19:19)

69.Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

(a) After (Mark 14:12-17)

(B) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)

73.What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?

(a) “Certainly this man was innocent� (Luke 23:47)

(B) “Truly this man was the Son of God� (Mark 15:39)

74.When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me? � in what language did he speak?

(a) Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi…“(Matthew 27:46)

(B) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi... “(Mark 15:34)

75.According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?

(a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!� (Luke 23:46)

(B) "It is finished" (John 19:30).

81.Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

(a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)

(B) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)� (Mark 16: 1)

82.When did the women buy the spices?

(a) After “the Sabbath was past� (Mark 16:1)

(B) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.� Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment� (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

83.At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

(a) “Toward the dawn� (Matthew 28: 1)

(B) “When the sun had risen� (Mark 16:2)

84.What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

(a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)

(B) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)

© For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)

85.A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived? (a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back� (Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb� (Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb� (John 20:1)

(B) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)

86.Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body?

(a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe� (Mark 16:5). “Two men ... in dazzling apparel� later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)

(B) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him� (John 20:2)

87.When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

(a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

(B) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him “Teacher.â€? Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me...â€? (John 20:11 to 17)

98.How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?

(a) Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)

(B) Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)

btw i have no idea how to get rid of those sunglass smiley dudes....the smiley should be a "( B )", not a cool smiley.

There have been numerous books published by non believers that suppose there are contradictions in the Bible. Every one of those supposed contradictions have been disqualified as error by Bible schollars many, many times. I have those books in my library and I have looked at all of the so called contradictions and they are a Joke, not one onf them has any credibility.

Rob

[Rob and Melinda 0]

I challenge you to try and dissprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ...everyone who has taken up that challenge came away with two conclusions.

1. Jesus did rise from the dead on the third day as the Bible says, and they commited their lives to Him.

2. Jesus did rise from the dead on the third day as the Bible says, and they rejected Him anyway.

Here's my problem with that - you said early on something along the lines about the resurrection being the most historically verified event in human history. That is a specific claim. Specific claims can be backed up with specific evidence to prove the point. If you're making a specific point like that, its logical to assume that you have that specific reasoning and evidence to hand to back it up. Otherwise its going to raise eyebrows. Naturally.

So far - your only defense for that claim is to fall back on the bible, which of course is going to say that the resurrection took place. The claim that the event itself is the most historically verified event in history implies (at least to some degree) more than one source. So far I've not seen those - but then again I have no real desire to prove or disprove the event anyway. To each his own.

Truth does not have to be proven if it is a matter of the historical record. It is there for you to discover yourself. I take it that you have never personally done any of your own reseasrch on the authenticity of the Resurrection. You let other people think for you without verifying it.

I have been challenging everyone on this forum to think for yourself and do your own research, DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, THINK FOR YOURSELF, FIND OUT YOURSELF... but all I get accused of is thinking for you. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I on the other hand, I have challenged YOU to do something with your claim that it didn't happen, find out for yourself.

Some of the greatest minds the world has ever known have rersearched the Resurrection of Jesus Chirst and come away with the same conclusion: the resurrection of Jesus did happen from the historical record, Exactly as the New Testament describes it.

Another case in point, the New Testament is now Viewed as the Most accurate Historical document ever written. Through Archeological discovery, Science, Mathematics and the shear number of the original manuscripts that we have, make it the most accurate document evern written.

When people write here in this forum that there are contradictions in the New Testament, that is amazing to me, because all of those so called contradictions were debunked by Schollars many years ago.

People write that stuff here as if it is true, when they have never read the other side of the story by the schollars that have debunk those claims of contradictions many, many times

Rob

Edited March 26, 2007 by Rob and Melinda

[Niels Bohr 72]

The Bible cannot be seen with Mathematics and Science.

And, you cannot use the Bible to prove Math and Science. I know. I am an Engineer.

[Jenn! 918]

But Rob, you've already said that there are people who have done the research and they've concluded that it didn't happen. Then you say that they concluded that because they hate Jesus or do not want to accept the truth.

So if someone here were to tell you that they've done 31 years of research and do not believe that Jesus rose from the dead, you would dismiss them anyway.

Quite a convenient way to never have to make a reasoned argument.

[Rob and Melinda 0]

But Rob, you've already said that there are people who have done the research and they've concluded that it didn't happen. Then you say that they concluded that because they hate Jesus or do not want to accept the truth.

So if someone here were to tell you that they've done 31 years of research and do not believe that Jesus rose from the dead, you would dismiss them anyway.

Quite a convenient way to never have to make a reasoned argument.

No I don't believe that I said that. I said that people have done the research on THE RESURRECTION and come to the conclusion that it did happen, It is possible that I typed didn't instead of did...So hope that clarify's that for you.

Or are you talking about non believers who write books about the so called contradictions in the bible, "SO CALLED". These were all debunked by Bible schollars many times.

Rob

[Jenn! 918]

But Rob, you've already said that there are people who have done the research and they've concluded that it didn't happen. Then you say that they concluded that because they hate Jesus or do not want to accept the truth.

So if someone here were to tell you that they've done 31 years of research and do not believe that Jesus rose from the dead, you would dismiss them anyway.

Quite a convenient way to never have to make a reasoned argument.

No I don't believe that I said that. I said that people have done the research on THE RESURRECTION and come to the conclusion that it did happen, It is possible that I typed didn't instead of did...So hope that clarify's that for you.

Or are you talking about non believers who write books about the so called contradictions in the bible, "SO CALLED". These were all debunked by Bible schollars many times.

Rob

Sorry, you're right. I see you did say that they *did* conclude it happened but rejected him anyway. Well, that makes me even more confused then. Are you really saying that anyone who does enough research is guaranteed to conclude that the resurrection is an historical fact? That's just absolutely not true.

[Niels Bohr 72]

One more thing I would like to add to my prior post. Anthropology uses methods of science to discover the past, however, they cannot prove science itself. Hence, the bible cannot be used to prove science. Thus far, creationism have conflicted with evolution. Science have shown proof that mountain ranges have deposits of sea dwelling organisms in their soil, and this occurs after million years of change. If in the case of the creationism, derived from the bible, that mountain region was already there in place for humans.

Now, nobody can prove that. Sure, the book of Genesis mentions that the Earth was created in a few days, then there was a 'blank' time in between Genesis and the existence of humans; however, there's no proof of existence of GOD nor is there proof that science can prove that. It's at a stand still. Now, some would dispute what I've said because I have no knowledge of the Bible, but you should believe in yourself and your own heaven instead of having somebody do the thinking for you such as instilling their strong beliefs unto others.

[Rob and Melinda 0]

But Rob, you've already said that there are people who have done the research and they've concluded that it didn't happen. Then you say that they concluded that because they hate Jesus or do not want to accept the truth.

So if someone here were to tell you that they've done 31 years of research and do not believe that Jesus rose from the dead, you would dismiss them anyway.

Quite a convenient way to never have to make a reasoned argument.

No I don't believe that I said that. I said that people have done the research on THE RESURRECTION and come to the conclusion that it did happen, It is possible that I typed didn't instead of did...So hope that clarify's that for you.

Or are you talking about non believers who write books about the so called contradictions in the bible, "SO CALLED". These were all debunked by Bible schollars many times.

Rob

Sorry, you're right. I see you did say that they *did* conclude it happened but rejected him anyway. Well, that makes me even more confused then. Are you really saying that anyone who does enough research is guaranteed to conclude that the resurrection is an historical fact? That's just absolutely not true.

Yeah it absolutely is true, HAVE SOME FUN AND DO IT YOURSELF...You will be blown away!

Rob

One more thing I would like to add to my prior post. Anthropology uses methods of science to discover the past, however, they cannot prove science itself. Hence, the bible cannot be used to prove science. Thus far, creationism have conflicted with evolution. Science have shown proof that mountain ranges have deposits of sea dwelling organisms in their soil, and this occurs after million years of change. If in the case of the creationism, derived from the bible, that mountain region was already there in place for humans.

Now, nobody can prove that. Sure, the book of Genesis mentions that the Earth was created in a few days, then there was a 'blank' time in between Genesis and the existence of humans; however, there's no proof of existence of GOD nor is there proof that science can prove that. It's at a stand still. Now, some would dispute what I've said because I have no knowledge of the Bible, but you should believe in yourself and your own heaven instead of having somebody do the thinking for you such as instilling their strong beliefs unto others.

Really, are you familiar with the science of "Chirality", The scientific work on the role of molecular asymmetry in both biologically active and non-biologically active molecules cause.....it proves the Bible.

Rob

[Niels Bohr 72]

Nope. It doesn't prove the Bible. Same thing with 1+1=2. It applies everywhere. Does that prove the Bible?

Asymmetry doesn't prove the bible.

[Alex+R 0]

Rob, why do most Christians the world over believe in the resurrection based on faith? Are you the only one that considers it true based on fact? If so, how did you come to this conclusion alone and if you have found real historical proof then why have you not shared it, and why are you so reluctant to share it, with the rest of the Christian community?

[Rob and Melinda 0]

Nope. It doesn't prove the Bible. Same thing with 1+1=2. It applies everywhere. Does that prove the Bible?

Asymmetry doesn't prove the bible.

You don't rerally know what Chirality is then. It is absolutely conclusive and endorsed by the best scientific minds in the world. It is the One thing that all evolutionists cannot refute because it is so compelling,.

Rob

[Niels Bohr 72]

Nope. It doesn't prove the Bible. Same thing with 1+1=2. It applies everywhere. Does that prove the Bible?

Asymmetry doesn't prove the bible.

You don't rerally know what Chirality is then. It is absolutely conclusive and endorsed by the best scientific minds in the world. It is the One thing that all evolutionists cannot refute because it is so compelling,.

Rob

You have to be kidding me. This is non-sense. Show me where chiralty is used to prove the Bible then? Who is this scientific mind? Anthropologists? They are not really scientists, more like historians.

[Rob and Melinda 0]

Rob, why do most Christians the world over believe in the resurrection based on faith? Are you the only one that considers it true based on fact? If so, how did you come to this conclusion alone and if you have found real historical proof then why have you not shared it, and why are you so reluctant to share it, with the rest of the Christian community?

No I am not the only one.

I belong to to one of the fastest growing churches in the world that began with the Jesus People in the 60's and we teach this to all of our members, as does most of the solid Bible believing churches around the world. The church I belong to has more than 32,000 people a week that attend services. We are a Teaching ministry.

Disclaimer, this is not an endorsement to join my church or any church, join Jesus!

Our "Faith" is based upon FACTS. God doesnt ask you to take your brain out when you become a Christian. He gave us the solid historical evidence So that you would know for sure.

Rob

[doodlebug 3]

There have been numerous books published by non believers that suppose there are contradictions in the Bible. Every one of those supposed contradictions have been disqualified as error by Bible schollars many, many times. I have those books in my library and I have looked at all of the so called contradictions and they are a Joke, not one onf them has any credibility.

Rob

um.......the contradictions are pretty clear when you read the verses laid out. Who are these so called bible scholars who disqualify the contradictions many, many times?

All I hear is hot air from you but not one link to a source to back up your many many claims.

Your excuse for not refuting people's statements that go against what you believe is that they're not seeking the truth, as you call it. Again...hot air.

You seriously expect to spew off this stuff on a non-religous forum and not be challenged?

You seriously expect for people to take anything you say with a grain of credibility when you don't at least try to support your statements with proven fact??

I really think you are doing more harm than good here in terms of trying to enlist some new recruitments.