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[Rob and Melinda 0]

Brother Rob,

I have a question for you after you answer other members questions first.

My question is, are you pre-trib, mid-trib, or post- trib ? I'm somewhat confused in this area , but I will say I am not post-trib.

Thanks.

Hey good morning! nice to know there are others who can't sleep too.

It took me about 10 years of research before I settled this subject for myself. I have found that the overwhelming evidence that is in the Bible teaches that the Church will not go through the 7 year tribulation period.

Here's a few verses, you probrably already know...

1Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

The 7 year Tribulation is the time of GOD'S WRATH, not the tribulation from the world, from satan or from people. It is unique in that it is the time of Jesus Wrath upon the earth, so because Jesus came to die for us and took Gods wrath for our sins, we will never see the Wrath of God. So we are not appoined to experence this time of wrath during the 7 year tribulation period in which 2/3rd of the people on the earth will die. We will not be here when it happens.

Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth

Jesus spokke this to the church at Philadelphia who had just a little strengthm but had not denied who Jesus was, and kept His Word, so His promise to them is that He, Jesus, would keep them, this church from the time of the Tribulation period.

Luke 21:36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Jesus said that we should pray that we would be counted worthy to excape the events that He had just been explaining in the previous verse, about the Great Tribulation. What makes any person worthy of excape of the great tribulation is just one thing, a faith and trust in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. Jesus said it Himself that those who are His will not be here when HE pours out His wrath.

There are so many more, but here is just one more great point:

In the Book of Revelation, chapter 4, we see the church already in heaven singing the song of redemption that we have been redeemed by the Blood of the lamb, that song, only the church can sing, we have on the white robes of redemption the crowns that Jesus has given every believer at the Rapture for the life they lived on earth for Him, and we see all of us together in heaven...NOW GET THIS... before the tribulation begons in Chapter 6

Chapter 4 of Revelation where we are already in heaven, The Tribualtion period does not begin until Revelation chapter 6 at the opening of the first seal!

Pretty cool!

Anyway, there are many, many place in the Old and New Testament where we can see that the church will not go through the tribulation period, The Lord bless you as you continue to follow Him!

Rob

Edited March 26, 2007 by Rob and Melinda

[Nagishkaw 510]

Brother Rob,

Thanks for all of this info !!! I was more geared toward the pre-trib, but then just was not sure.

Another question and I know there are many conflicts about this. Who do you think the two witnesses will be? Some say Moses and Elijah, but I want to think Enoch and Elijah. I love prophesy, don't you?

[Rob and Melinda 0]

Brother Rob,

Thanks for all of this info !!! I was more geared toward the pre-trib, but then just was not sure.

Another question and I know there are many conflicts about this. Who do you think the two witnesses will be? Some say Moses and Elijah, but I want to think Enoch and Elijah. I love prophesy, don't you?

Yes I think you are right about the two witnesses, Moses, Elijah, or Enoch can all meet the criteria for who these are.

Bible Prophecy is my forte, that is what I teach and write on the most. It is absolutely mind blowing what you discover in the prophecies of the Bible. There is no way that 3,000 plus prophecies could have already been fulfilled with 100 percent precision if the Bible was not from outside of the time domain, and written by a trancendent creator!

Rob

[Nagishkaw 510]

Amen and Ameen !

[rebeccajo 14]

Unreal. How many more of these can we start?

Here's one I've always wanted to know the answer to. Say you live in a part of the world where Christianity is completely unavailable to you. At no point in your lifetime did you hear the story of Christ. You lived a normal life for your culture. You were a 'good' person who treated others well and you committed no atrocities in your lifetime. When you die, are you barred from heaven? Are you eternally damned? Will you rot in flames simply because you never had the opportunity to learn the story of salvation?

That's a great question...

A person's judgment is based upon what they know about what God requires.

Romans chapter one says this:

Romans 1:19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

Romans 1:21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful

Every human being is "hardwired" by their creator with a knowledge of Him. He places this knowledge "In them", Romans 1:19 says. God has "Shown it to them", then the next verse shows how God has showed it to them..."Through the things that are made", Creation is the testimony, the proof that God exists, and every human being knows this, God says. The next verse says that we know that God exists throught the things He created, but not all people will acknowledge this or will even be thankful to Him for what He has done.

We make up all kinnds of excuses for why we "Say" we don't believe God exists, the most popular un spoken reason is that people just love their sin more that they love God, so they will not turn from it to God so that they can be saved. That is what THE BIBLE SAYS, not me so don't get mad at me.

So, that person in the Deepest, Darkest part of the world that has never heard about Jesus Christ is still accountable to God for what they do know, that God does exist, because He hardwired them with this knowledge of Himself. And on that day that this person stands befofe God and says "But I didnt't know", The Lord will show them this part that He placed inside them where they knew that He existed, but chose to ignore or deny that He does exist.

When a person who has not ever heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ responds to the inner knowledge of God and searches for the true and living God, He responds by giving them more knowledge of Himself.

There have been documented cases where missionaries have gone into these dark isolated parts of the world. They took years to learn the language, then translated the Bible into that language for those people. In one particular case where the head of one of those tribes or people was told about Jesus Christ, the leader of that tribe said "Oh we already know about Him, we just didn't know His name was Jesus. We have been worshipping and serving Him for a long time."

Romans 2:14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves

This verse means that people, Gentiles who have no knowledge of God's law, instinctively follow and seek after God, then they become a law unto themselves. That is, the fact that all men know God, and have this knowledge built into them when they are made, is seen by those who know and follow God even though they never had a Bible or have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

But you know what God requires now, so you are accountable for what you do with that knowledge.

Rob

Ok.

If that is the case, if a man by nature does the things in the law, and serves and worships his entire life, but just happens to call God by another name, does that condemn him?

Because I thought that's what you have been telling us. Yet what you just posted refutes it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The timeline would seem to create something of a contradiction - hence the need for endless disclaimers about who gets a by...

The Ancient Greeks, Persians and Pre-Christian Romans for example.... All in hell?

In fact doesn't Dantes Inferno have something in it to that effect...?

Edited March 26, 2007 by erekose

[Rob and Melinda 0]

Unreal. How many more of these can we start?

Here's one I've always wanted to know the answer to. Say you live in a part of the world where Christianity is completely unavailable to you. At no point in your lifetime did you hear the story of Christ. You lived a normal life for your culture. You were a 'good' person who treated others well and you committed no atrocities in your lifetime. When you die, are you barred from heaven? Are you eternally damned? Will you rot in flames simply because you never had the opportunity to learn the story of salvation?

That's a great question...

A person's judgment is based upon what they know about what God requires.

Romans chapter one says this:

Romans 1:19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

Romans 1:21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful

Every human being is "hardwired" by their creator with a knowledge of Him. He places this knowledge "In them", Romans 1:19 says. God has "Shown it to them", then the next verse shows how God has showed it to them..."Through the things that are made", Creation is the testimony, the proof that God exists, and every human being knows this, God says. The next verse says that we know that God exists throught the things He created, but not all people will acknowledge this or will even be thankful to Him for what He has done.

We make up all kinnds of excuses for why we "Say" we don't believe God exists, the most popular un spoken reason is that people just love their sin more that they love God, so they will not turn from it to God so that they can be saved. That is what THE BIBLE SAYS, not me so don't get mad at me.

So, that person in the Deepest, Darkest part of the world that has never heard about Jesus Christ is still accountable to God for what they do know, that God does exist, because He hardwired them with this knowledge of Himself. And on that day that this person stands befofe God and says "But I didnt't know", The Lord will show them this part that He placed inside them where they knew that He existed, but chose to ignore or deny that He does exist.

When a person who has not ever heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ responds to the inner knowledge of God and searches for the true and living God, He responds by giving them more knowledge of Himself.

There have been documented cases where missionaries have gone into these dark isolated parts of the world. They took years to learn the language, then translated the Bible into that language for those people. In one particular case where the head of one of those tribes or people was told about Jesus Christ, the leader of that tribe said "Oh we already know about Him, we just didn't know His name was Jesus. We have been worshipping and serving Him for a long time."

Romans 2:14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves

This verse means that people, Gentiles who have no knowledge of God's law, instinctively follow and seek after God, then they become a law unto themselves. That is, the fact that all men know God, and have this knowledge built into them when they are made, is seen by those who know and follow God even though they never had a Bible or have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

But you know what God requires now, so you are accountable for what you do with that knowledge.

Rob

Ok.

If that is the case, if a man by nature does the things in the law, and serves and worships his entire life, but just happens to call God by another name, does that condemn him?

Because I thought that's what you have been telling us. Yet what you just posted refutes it.

No, you wern't paying attention. Go back and read all the posts about this subject, I made that very clear.

This confirms what I have already said.

Rob

[Rob and Melinda 0]

The timeline would seem to create something of a contradiction - hence the need for endless disclaimers about who gets a by...

The Ancient Greeks, Persians and Pre-Christian Romans for example.... All in hell?

In fact doesn't Dantes Inferno have something in it to that effect...?

I have no idea what you just said...

No one gets a by, everyone will be personally accountable for what they do with Jesus Christ. God won't ask you in that day what church you went to, how religious you are, how good a person you are. He has only one question: "What did you do with my Son? I told you that you could be forgiven of your sins and have eternal life if you believed in His death on the Cross as the payment, what did you do with Him?"

Rob

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The timeline would seem to create something of a contradiction - hence the need for endless disclaimers about who gets a by...

The Ancient Greeks, Persians and Pre-Christian Romans for example.... All in hell?

In fact doesn't Dantes Inferno have something in it to that effect...?

I have no idea what you just said...

No one gets a by, everyone will be personally accountable for what they do with Jesus Christ. God won't ask you in that day what church you went to, how religious you are, how good a person you are. He has only one question: "What did you do with my Son? I told you that you could be forgiven of your sins and have eternal life if you believed in His death on the Cross as the payment, what did you do with Him?"

Rob

The question was about all those millions on millions of people who were alive hundreds (and indeed thousands) of years before JC. Civilizations who worshipped other gods, practiced polytheism and the like. All those Greeks who contributed so much to western philosophy, mathematics and science. Roman engineers. In hell by default because they worshipped Apollo, Jupiter or Anubis?

[Niels Bohr 72]

Erekose,

You would be a powerful leader!

[rebeccajo 14]

Unreal. How many more of these can we start?

Here's one I've always wanted to know the answer to. Say you live in a part of the world where Christianity is completely unavailable to you. At no point in your lifetime did you hear the story of Christ. You lived a normal life for your culture. You were a 'good' person who treated others well and you committed no atrocities in your lifetime. When you die, are you barred from heaven? Are you eternally damned? Will you rot in flames simply because you never had the opportunity to learn the story of salvation?

That's a great question...

A person's judgment is based upon what they know about what God requires.

Romans chapter one says this:

Romans 1:19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

Romans 1:21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful

Every human being is "hardwired" by their creator with a knowledge of Him. He places this knowledge "In them", Romans 1:19 says. God has "Shown it to them", then the next verse shows how God has showed it to them..."Through the things that are made", Creation is the testimony, the proof that God exists, and every human being knows this, God says. The next verse says that we know that God exists throught the things He created, but not all people will acknowledge this or will even be thankful to Him for what He has done.

We make up all kinnds of excuses for why we "Say" we don't believe God exists, the most popular un spoken reason is that people just love their sin more that they love God, so they will not turn from it to God so that they can be saved. That is what THE BIBLE SAYS, not me so don't get mad at me.

So, that person in the Deepest, Darkest part of the world that has never heard about Jesus Christ is still accountable to God for what they do know, that God does exist, because He hardwired them with this knowledge of Himself. And on that day that this person stands befofe God and says "But I didnt't know", The Lord will show them this part that He placed inside them where they knew that He existed, but chose to ignore or deny that He does exist.

When a person who has not ever heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ responds to the inner knowledge of God and searches for the true and living God, He responds by giving them more knowledge of Himself.

There have been documented cases where missionaries have gone into these dark isolated parts of the world. They took years to learn the language, then translated the Bible into that language for those people. In one particular case where the head of one of those tribes or people was told about Jesus Christ, the leader of that tribe said "Oh we already know about Him, we just didn't know His name was Jesus. We have been worshipping and serving Him for a long time."

Romans 2:14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves

This verse means that people, Gentiles who have no knowledge of God's law, instinctively follow and seek after God, then they become a law unto themselves. That is, the fact that all men know God, and have this knowledge built into them when they are made, is seen by those who know and follow God even though they never had a Bible or have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

But you know what God requires now, so you are accountable for what you do with that knowledge.

Rob

Ok.

If that is the case, if a man by nature does the things in the law, and serves and worships his entire life, but just happens to call God by another name, does that condemn him?

Because I thought that's what you have been telling us. Yet what you just posted refutes it.

No, you wern't paying attention. Go back and read all the posts about this subject, I made that very clear.

This confirms what I have already said.

Rob

No. You weren't paying attention.

If man is hardwired to 'know' God, what difference does it make what name you call him by?

[Rob and Melinda 0]

The timeline would seem to create something of a contradiction - hence the need for endless disclaimers about who gets a by...

The Ancient Greeks, Persians and Pre-Christian Romans for example.... All in hell?

In fact doesn't Dantes Inferno have something in it to that effect...?

I have no idea what you just said...

No one gets a by, everyone will be personally accountable for what they do with Jesus Christ. God won't ask you in that day what church you went to, how religious you are, how good a person you are. He has only one question: "What did you do with my Son? I told you that you could be forgiven of your sins and have eternal life if you believed in His death on the Cross as the payment, what did you do with Him?"

Rob

The question was about all those millions on millions of people who were alive hundreds (and indeed thousands) of years before JC. Civilizations who worshipped other gods, practiced polytheism and the like. All those Greeks who contributed so much to western philosophy, mathematics and science. Roman engineers. In hell by default because they worshipped Apollo, Jupiter or Anubis?

Everyone is saved exacty the same way. The people alive on the earth before Jesus made His sacrificce on the Cross, knew from Gods Word about a coming Savior, if they believe that word from God, they were saved. They were saved by "looking ahead" to Jesus Cross, just as we are saved by "Looking Back" to Jesus Cross.

Even if they had never heard about God's Savior that was to come, they were held accountable to God by the knowledge of Him that He placed in their hearts when He created them. He knows whether they denied this internal knowledge or not, that is the basis for His Fair judgment.

No one makes it to heaven apart from the sacrifice that Jesus made, THAT IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, not me.

Rob

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Everyone is saved exacty the same way. The people alive on the earth before Jesus made His sacrificce on the Cross, knew from Gods Word about a coming Savior, if they believe that word from God, they were saved.

How did they know? From what exactly?

[Rob and Melinda 0]

Unreal. How many more of these can we start?

Here's one I've always wanted to know the answer to. Say you live in a part of the world where Christianity is completely unavailable to you. At no point in your lifetime did you hear the story of Christ. You lived a normal life for your culture. You were a 'good' person who treated others well and you committed no atrocities in your lifetime. When you die, are you barred from heaven? Are you eternally damned? Will you rot in flames simply because you never had the opportunity to learn the story of salvation?

That's a great question...

A person's judgment is based upon what they know about what God requires.

Romans chapter one says this:

Romans 1:19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

Romans 1:21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful

Every human being is "hardwired" by their creator with a knowledge of Him. He places this knowledge "In them", Romans 1:19 says. God has "Shown it to them", then the next verse shows how God has showed it to them..."Through the things that are made", Creation is the testimony, the proof that God exists, and every human being knows this, God says. The next verse says that we know that God exists throught the things He created, but not all people will acknowledge this or will even be thankful to Him for what He has done.

We make up all kinnds of excuses for why we "Say" we don't believe God exists, the most popular un spoken reason is that people just love their sin more that they love God, so they will not turn from it to God so that they can be saved. That is what THE BIBLE SAYS, not me so don't get mad at me.

So, that person in the Deepest, Darkest part of the world that has never heard about Jesus Christ is still accountable to God for what they do know, that God does exist, because He hardwired them with this knowledge of Himself. And on that day that this person stands befofe God and says "But I didnt't know", The Lord will show them this part that He placed inside them where they knew that He existed, but chose to ignore or deny that He does exist.

When a person who has not ever heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ responds to the inner knowledge of God and searches for the true and living God, He responds by giving them more knowledge of Himself.

There have been documented cases where missionaries have gone into these dark isolated parts of the world. They took years to learn the language, then translated the Bible into that language for those people. In one particular case where the head of one of those tribes or people was told about Jesus Christ, the leader of that tribe said "Oh we already know about Him, we just didn't know His name was Jesus. We have been worshipping and serving Him for a long time."

Romans 2:14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves

This verse means that people, Gentiles who have no knowledge of God's law, instinctively follow and seek after God, then they become a law unto themselves. That is, the fact that all men know God, and have this knowledge built into them when they are made, is seen by those who know and follow God even though they never had a Bible or have heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

But you know what God requires now, so you are accountable for what you do with that knowledge.

Rob

Ok.

If that is the case, if a man by nature does the things in the law, and serves and worships his entire life, but just happens to call God by another name, does that condemn him?

Because I thought that's what you have been telling us. Yet what you just posted refutes it.

No, you wern't paying attention. Go back and read all the posts about this subject, I made that very clear.

This confirms what I have already said.

Rob

No. You weren't paying attention.

If man is hardwired to 'know' God, what difference does it make what name you call him by?

Because, He wants to be acknowledged by His name, not some name you made up.

God is a generic name, His name is Yahweh, I AM, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Eternal God, the Creator of all. Buddah, Mohamed, and all the others are not the ONE eternal God.

If I called on you but didn't use your name, would you necessarily answer me?

The God of the Bible knows when someone is calling on Him or one of the other false gods. He is not dumb. He can tell the difference between the seeking of the gods of the romans, greeks or other pagan societies and the One True God.

Rob

[Rob and Melinda 0]

Everyone is saved exacty the same way. The people alive on the earth before Jesus made His sacrificce on the Cross, knew from Gods Word about a coming Savior, if they believe that word from God, they were saved.

How did they know? From what exactly?

You are really not reading the former posts I already made on this subject are you?

Are you asking me these questions because you really want to know the answers so that you can know If you could put your faith in Jesus Christ? Or are you just asking so that you can argue with me. If that is the case then my further answers serve no useful pupose for you. It does give others a chance to see how hardened some people are to the Love of God, and they get to see how God really feels about them as I tell them of His love for them. But I dont really want to keep repeating the same answers over and over again...

Rob