Fraud victim what happens next...

[orp967 3]

@cheeszees - trust me I've "let it go" per se. I'm now in my next relationship with an amazing girl. She knows everything that I went through and we're taking things slow.

Just the thought that I had the power to prevent some one else from harm and didn't do so is what still bothers me.

[TBoneTX 45,394]

It's not your problem now.

[JFH 12,190]

All you can do now is be thankful you got of that situation when you did. Imagine how much worse it would have been if you had discovered this after marriage or after you had a child together. Chalk it up as one of life's experiences. If you want to be sure it won't happen to you again, look for a local girl who doesn't need a visa.

[Anitafeliz 1,133]

This is not your problem you already resolved your petition.

Let it GO....

Move on....

You did all you can on your end trust me shes not the only person overstaying a visa.

Be glad she didnt get you on a affidavit. You lucked out now again move on.

If you dont this will consume you.

Edited August 28, 2016 by Anitafeliz

[Rc123rc 528]

Nope, not a thing. radical acceptance. Not your problem anymore. Karma will take care of her at some point. Make your life stress freer and stop obsessing over would you think you should or not do. Truthfully? I think you are paying attention to this way too much. You're tracking her movements. Ya, it's a nice thought about warning the next guy but I'm reading beyond that a touch of bitterness on your part. Understandable but not healthy. Especially, when you are in a new relationship. It's going to taint it.

[Beth & Achraf 328]

Sounds like something from 90 Day Fiance.

[abhi_meli 150]

You can still report to the USCIS...send another letter with evidence this time.Once you do that,stop walking down the memory lane and enjoy your life...believe in karma...being revengeful ain't gonna help.

[orp967 3]

First and foremost I would like to thank everyone who took the time to chime in on this thread. I read and took into consideration each and everyone of your comments and it's all been very helpful. So thank you sincerely!

I know many of you would disagree but after careful consideration and after talking about the issue with a handful of my closest family and friends I have decided to move forward with writing the letter (i.e. reporting the fraud correctly). Trust me when I say this has not been an easy decision. It's something I've been struggling with for the past six weeks. A lot of back and forth between taking the proverbial "high road" and letting karma run it's course versus playing a potentially significant role in making sure that her future visa attempts are highly scrutinized or even flat out denied so that no one else would have to go through what I just went through. So as painful and embarrassing as it's going to be, I'm going to spend the evening going through the evidence one final time and picking out which pieces to submit in the letter.

I had some questions and concerns however...

The evidence I have on her are text messages between her and her best friend which consist of the following;

(A) Evidence of her wanting to leave her country;

Previously applied to the diversity lotto,

Statements such as "I don't like it here and can't wait to leave to America" etc.

(B) Failure to disclose the fact that she had a boyfriend when we first met and throughout the initial six months of seeing each other (I had already proposed at month four).

This one is critical to me because I would not have pursued a relationship with her had she disclosed this information in the beginning and I specifically I asked if she was dating anyone in one of our very first conversations and she flat out lied.

© Statements such as; (yes these are about me)

"I think I can get papers from him easily"

"I'm just using him for papers"

"I'm just using him to be with you (talking about her best friend who currently lives in America)"

"Maybe I should go back on social media/dating sites and look for other guys just in case" (statement made after I began to become suspicious)

"If it doesn't work out with him I have another guy already lined up"

(D) Objectifying statements toward men such as;

"I want to meet a rich American guy with a lot of money and he can take care of me"

"This guy has a lot of money, that guys seems like he doesn't have a lot of money"

"This guy has offered to fly me here, this guy offered to buy me this etc"

(E) Abuse of her current B2 visa;

Coming her with the specific goal to find a husband/petitioner

Using social media and dating websites to find "sugar daddy's" to pay for flights, hotels, gifts, dinner's etc.

She had began an alternate relationship with another guy simultaneously while with me. I knew of him, she assured me the relationship was strictly platonic but that was of course another lie.

She went to go see him on two separate occasions without my knowledge after we were engaged and well into the I-129F process.

Needless to say when I got my hands on this I was mortified! I told her I'm cancelling our petition immediately and I don't ever want to see or hear from her again. I also said I was going to report her to immigration but couldn't do it initially, I guess there was a part of me that still had a soft spot for her. I guess I was still in shock and denial.

So my question to the forum is what I have above considered "good evidence?"

If I included all of the things above how serious would immigration take my letter and what effect would this letter have on said individuals future visa attempts?

Would INA 204© apply to her in this case?

Thanks

Edited August 31, 2016 by orp967

[Anitafeliz 1,133]

This evidence how did you get it? Did you hack or have access to her account? Or is it your word against hers?

[Anitafeliz 1,133]

First and foremost I would like to thank everyone who took the time to chime in on this thread. I read and took into consideration each and everyone of your comments and it's all been very helpful. So thank you sincerely!

I know many of you would disagree but after careful consideration and after talking about the issue with a handful of my closest family and friends I have decided to move forward with writing the letter (i.e. reporting the fraud correctly). Trust me when I say this has not been an easy decision. It's something I've been struggling with for the past six weeks. A lot of back and forth between taking the proverbial "high road" and letting karma run it's course versus playing a potentially significant role in making sure that her future visa attempts are highly scrutinized or even flat out denied so that no one else would have to go through what I just went through. So as painful and embarrassing as it's going to be, I'm going to spend the evening going through the evidence one final time and picking out which pieces to submit in the letter.

I had some questions and concerns however...

The evidence I have on her are text messages between her and her best friend which consist of the following;

(A) Evidence of her wanting to leave her country;

Previously applied to the diversity lotto,

Statements such as "I don't like it here and can't wait to leave to America" etc.

(B) Failure to disclose the fact that she had a boyfriend when we first met and throughout the initial six months of seeing each other (I had already proposed at month four).

This one is critical to me because I would not have pursued a relationship with her had she disclosed this information in the beginning and I specifically I asked if she was dating anyone in one of our very first conversations and she flat out lied.

© Statements such as; (yes these are about me)

"I think I can get papers from him easily"

"I'm just using him for papers"

"I'm just using him to be with you (talking about her best friend who currently lives in America)"

"Maybe I should go back on social media/dating sites and look for other guys just in case" (statement made after I began to become suspicious)

"If it doesn't work out with him I have another guy already lined up"

(D) Objectifying statements toward men such as;

"I want to meet a rich American guy with a lot of money and he can take care of me"

"This guy has a lot of money, that guys seems like he doesn't have a lot of money"

"This guy has offered to fly me here, this guy offered to buy me this etc"

(E) Abuse of her current B2 visa;

Coming her with the specific goal to find a husband/petitioner

Using social media and dating websites to find "sugar daddy's" to pay for flights, hotels, gifts, dinner's etc.

She had began an alternate relationship with another guy simultaneously while with me. I knew of him, she assured me the relationship was strictly platonic but that was of course another lie.

She went to go see him on two separate occasions without my knowledge after we were engaged and well into the I-129F process.

Needless to say when I got my hands on this I was mortified! I told her I'm cancelling our petition immediately and I don't ever want to see or hear from her again. I also said I was going to report her to immigration but couldn't do it initially, I guess there was a part of me that still had a soft spot for her. I guess I was still in shock and denial.

So my question to the forum is what I have above considered "good evidence?"

If I included all of the things above how serious would immigration take my letter and what effect would this letter have on said individuals future visa attempts?

Would INA 204© apply to her in this case?

Thanks

You are admitting to aiding and abetting immigration fraud being that you knew and didn't report right away.

[Boiler 45,585]

I was starting to write a long reply but it was getting weird. You are for whatever reason clutching at straws, just let it go.

[Cheezees 1,514]

First and foremost I would like to thank everyone who took the time to chime in on this thread. I read and took into consideration each and everyone of your comments and it's all been very helpful. So thank you sincerely!

I know many of you would disagree but after careful consideration and after talking about the issue with a handful of my closest family and friends I have decided to move forward with writing the letter (i.e. reporting the fraud correctly). Trust me when I say this has not been an easy decision. It's something I've been struggling with for the past six weeks. A lot of back and forth between taking the proverbial "high road" and letting karma run it's course versus playing a potentially significant role in making sure that her future visa attempts are highly scrutinized or even flat out denied so that no one else would have to go through what I just went through. So as painful and embarrassing as it's going to be, I'm going to spend the evening going through the evidence one final time and picking out which pieces to submit in the letter.

I had some questions and concerns however...

The evidence I have on her are text messages between her and her best friend which consist of the following;

(A) Evidence of her wanting to leave her country; Not evidence - many people consider moving or immigrating.

Previously applied to the diversity lotto, Not evidence - many people apply via this legal means and there is no shame in it.

Statements such as "I don't like it here and can't wait to leave to America" etc. Not evidence. Scrap (A) altogether.

(B) Failure to disclose the fact that she had a boyfriend when we first met and throughout the initial six months of seeing each other (I had already proposed at month four).

This one is critical to me because I would not have pursued a relationship with her had she disclosed this information in the beginning and I specifically I asked if she was dating anyone in one of our very first conversations and she flat out lied.

What exactly is the evidence? Statements? Emails? Texts from her phone? Make sure anything from (B) was legally obtained.

© Statements such as; (yes these are about me)

"I think I can get papers from him easily"

"I'm just using him for papers"

"I'm just using him to be with you (talking about her best friend who currently lives in America)"

"Maybe I should go back on social media/dating sites and look for other guys just in case" (statement made after I began to become suspicious)

"If it doesn't work out with him I have another guy already lined up"

How were these obtained?

(D) Objectifying statements toward men such as;

"I want to meet a rich American guy with a lot of money and he can take care of me"

"This guy has a lot of money, that guys seems like he doesn't have a lot of money"

"This guy has offered to fly me here, this guy offered to buy me this etc"

How was this obtained?

(E) Abuse of her current B2 visa;

Coming her with the specific goal to find a husband/petitioner

Using social media and dating websites to find "sugar daddy's" to pay for flights, hotels, gifts, dinner's etc.

Just so you know, visiting someone you met on the internet who lives in the US and wants to buy you gifts is not illegal in any way.

She had began an alternate relationship with another guy simultaneously while with me. I knew of him, she assured me the relationship was strictly platonic but that was of course another lie.

She went to go see him on two separate occasions without my knowledge after we were engaged and well into the I-129F process. How do you have proof? Remember you need to prove she entered into a mariage with you that was not bonafide. If you can prove from the start that it was never her intention to be with you, then you have a case. Do you have proof she was going to get residency and then bring the boyfriend here? I think that would stand on its own.

Needless to say when I got my hands on this I was mortified! I told her I'm cancelling our petition immediately and I don't ever want to see or hear from her again. I also said I was going to report her to immigration but couldn't do it initially, I guess there was a part of me that still had a soft spot for her. I guess I was still in shock and denial.

So my question to the forum is what I have above considered "good evidence?" See my responses above.

If I included all of the things above how serious would immigration take my letter and what effect would this letter have on said individuals future visa attempts? No one here can say.

Would INA 204© apply to her in this case? Perhaps?

Thanks

From what you just wrote, I'd say your evidence is at best weak. Seems you are providing hearsay. What EXACTLY do you have as evidence. No, don't just say, "I have evidence of....". EXPLICITLY, what do you have?

Edited August 31, 2016 by Cheezees

[orp967 3]

@anitafeliz

(1) Six months into the relationship, my former fiance was still being very "dodgy" with her phone. Always caring it with her wherever she went (even to the bathroom), very jumpy every time it went off, putting it in airplane mode when we were together, hiding it in odd places at night when we were sleeping. Finally one day I said enough was enough and took a little sneaky peak one night when she was sleeping. I'm not proud of it but I stand by that decision. It saved me from the above aforementioned disaster that was waiting for me.

(2) If you followed the thread you'd see that I did initially report it with my cancellation letter stating to USCIS that I uncovered that my former fiance's intentions were fraudulent. The only thing I didn't do was attached the "evidence." It was too painful and too embarrassing to read pages and pages of this horrific stuff from the person you love.

[Anitafeliz 1,133]

Depending on your state laws you evidence is circumstencial at best.

And i dont know if saying you saw counts as evidence. You also invaded her privacy.

No judge will take this as evidence.

You may wanna let this go you already reported this.

[Boiler 45,585]

So you have no hard evidence.