why Black Lives Matter isn't helping flood victims

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Yes, I have seen it before. And still disagree with it. I'd be willing to bet that YOU have a driver's license, a SS card, a retired ID (not common, but all retired vets can get one for free), and a birth certificate. All of which are FREE, except the DL. And since the cost of many state IDs (other than a DL) are between $10-35, I say it comes down to a decision between a couple of packs of cigarettes or the ability to register to vote. If someone cares enough to vote, then they can probably afford an ID. And I believe most states issue one for free to the elderly and handicapped, so there goes a fair amount of the "oppressed" demographic.

I just had to provide not one, but TWO forms of ID to get a badge to allow me to open a door. What legal USC doesn't have at least two forms of ID? What legal immigrant doesn't have to jump thru hoops to prove who they are? Why should voting be exempt from proof of legal voting status?

More to the point... How does requiring an ID to vote become an issue of race, or disenfranchisement against blacks? Are blacks not allowed to have a DL or other form of ID to prove who they are?

Actually it's not complicated, but you tend to ignore when it's posted as to why there's an issue. Let me show you:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-voter-id_us_579b8862e4b08a8e8b5de534

In its ruling, a three-judge panel at the U.S. Appeals Court for the Fourth Circuit said the state legislature targeted African-Americans with almost surgical precision.

You see this? I've read more than a few of these, and it's plain as day. When you find out how black people vote as a majority, and then enact laws or remove those voting practices exclusively, guess what? That's racist. When you find out what ID's white people have as a whole and black people as a whole, then make the ID you're holding the ONLY acceptable one? Yeah, that's racist. When you find out what days black people are most likely to vote on, and then remove those days exclusively? I hope you see where this is going.

I'll post those when you post pics from your missing stash you sent to LA.

Edited August 23, 2016 by ROYGBP

[Boiler 46,406]

Oh no, Muslims are in the same boat. There will always be room for them at the cookout.

I know you want to be in the one club you can never belong to. Just accept being part of the majority, you'll get over it.

I only post on VJ as I know it is a safe space.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Yes, I have seen it before. And still disagree with it. I'd be willing to bet that YOU have a driver's license, a SS card, a retired ID (not common, but all retired vets can get one for free), and a birth certificate. All of which are FREE, except the DL. And since the cost of many state IDs (other than a DL) are between $10-35, I say it comes down to a decision between a couple of packs of cigarettes or the ability to register to vote. If someone cares enough to vote, then they can probably afford an ID. And I believe most states issue one for free to the elderly and handicapped, so there goes a fair amount of the "oppressed" demographic.

I just had to provide not one, but TWO forms of ID to get a badge to allow me to open a door. What legal USC doesn't have at least two forms of ID? What legal immigrant doesn't have to jump thru hoops to prove who they are? Why should voting be exempt from proof of legal voting status?

More to the point... How does requiring an ID to vote become an issue of race, or disenfranchisement against blacks? Are blacks not allowed to have a DL or other form of ID to prove who they are?

Why are you disagreeing with court findings? This isn't my opinion, it's the statements of people with more access and information on the subject than both you and I. It's like you just don't want to believe it, no matter how much evidence is presented to you. And a retired ID is common for someone who retires from the Armed forces. It's something we earn.

But more to the point. I think ID should be free and given out to folks for voting purposes. But your comment betrays your thought process. Because this says a lot.

I only post on VJ as I know it is a safe space.

Not true, but that's none of my business...

[Póg mo 1,749]

Why are you disagreeing with court findings? This isn't my opinion, it's the statements of people with more access and information on the subject than both you and I. It's like you just don't want to believe it, no matter how much evidence is presented to you.

Cognitive dissonance? Siege mentality? Edited August 23, 2016 by Póg mo

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Cognitive dissonance? Siege mentality?

That must be it.

I don't know what makes me more mad, when folks want to argue without doing their homework, or when they refuse to admit it when I've done their homework for them.

[yuna628 9,758]

Yes, I have seen it before. And still disagree with it. I'd be willing to bet that YOU have a driver's license, a SS card, a retired ID (not common, but all retired vets can get one for free), and a birth certificate. All of which are FREE, except the DL. And since the cost of many state IDs (other than a DL) are between $10-35, I say it comes down to a decision between a couple of packs of cigarettes or the ability to register to vote. If someone cares enough to vote, then they can probably afford an ID. And I believe most states issue one for free to the elderly and handicapped, so there goes a fair amount of the "oppressed" demographic.

I just had to provide not one, but TWO forms of ID to get a badge to allow me to open a door. What legal USC doesn't have at least two forms of ID? What legal immigrant doesn't have to jump thru hoops to prove who they are? Why should voting be exempt from proof of legal voting status?

More to the point... How does requiring an ID to vote become an issue of race, or disenfranchisement against blacks? Are blacks not allowed to have a DL or other form of ID to prove who they are?

What if a person has none of the documents that are required by law to obtain an ID? What happens if a person has none of the documents required to get the documents required to get an ID? As cited numerous times these scenarios occur which are unimaginable to you. It's not that proof of legal status is an unreasonable request, any more unreasonable than showing proof of legal status in purchasing a firearm - but if state laws are made in such a way that prohibits, significantly delays, or completely impedes a person to obtain an ID to participate in this simple 'reasonable' request, however much in a minority, it is indeed something that should not be overlooked because ultimately it prevents them from acting within their rights. Remember the big fight over RealID? I can't think of many who liked this idea on the republican and libertarian side, some of the thinking was that the government could transform it into being a national ID more than enough to enable a person to be able to vote in federal elections. There was some serious pushback on that. Civil liberties and all sorts of crazy things in protest. The mere thought that a government should require a citizen at any time to prove who they were, via some 'papers please' gestapo and that would permeate every factor or action of a citizen's life. But some suggested this would be a good tradeoff to stop people from having to jump through the ridiculous hoops or be completely stonewalled by state laws.

[Merrytooth 5,748]

It is still kind of strange to me that a developed country like US can't have national identification program.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

What if a person has none of the documents that are required by law to obtain an ID? What happens if a person has none of the documents required to get the documents required to get an ID? As cited numerous times these scenarios occur which are unimaginable to you. It's not that proof of legal status is an unreasonable request, any more unreasonable than showing proof of legal status in purchasing a firearm - but if state laws are made in such a way that prohibits, significantly delays, or completely impedes a person to obtain an ID to participate in this simple 'reasonable' request, however much in a minority, it is indeed something that should not be overlooked because ultimately it prevents them from acting within their rights. Remember the big fight over RealID? I can't think of many who liked this idea on the republican and libertarian side, some of the thinking was that the government could transform it into being a national ID more than enough to enable a person to be able to vote in federal elections. There was some serious pushback on that. Civil liberties and all sorts of crazy things in protest. The mere thought that a government should require a citizen at any time to prove who they were, via some 'papers please' gestapo and that would permeate every factor or action of a citizen's life. But some suggested this would be a good tradeoff to stop people from having to jump through the ridiculous hoops or be completely stonewalled by state laws.

Just goes back to the same thing we've said here numerous times. Folks are completely okay with things, as long as it doesn't affect them.

I'm all for having an ID to vote. Just as long as it's provided to everyone.

[Rob L 3,811]

Yes, I have seen it before. And still disagree with it. I'd be willing to bet that YOU have a driver's license, a SS card, a retired ID (not common, but all retired vets can get one for free), and a birth certificate. All of which are FREE, except the DL. And since the cost of many state IDs (other than a DL) are between $10-35, I say it comes down to a decision between a couple of packs of cigarettes or the ability to register to vote. If someone cares enough to vote, then they can probably afford an ID. And I believe most states issue one for free to the elderly and handicapped, so there goes a fair amount of the "oppressed" demographic.

I just had to provide not one, but TWO forms of ID to get a badge to allow me to open a door. What legal USC doesn't have at least two forms of ID? What legal immigrant doesn't have to jump thru hoops to prove who they are? Why should voting be exempt from proof of legal voting status?

More to the point... How does requiring an ID to vote become an issue of race, or disenfranchisement against blacks? Are blacks not allowed to have a DL or other form of ID to prove who they are?

If your have recently married and have not changed the name on your DL should you be excluded from voting?

If you do not have the time and money to travel to the county seat ( Texas counties can be big) to appear in person to change your voting record should you be excluded from voting?

If the address on your drivers license does not match the address on your voting record should you be excluded?

600,000 Texas Voters did not have the prerequisite ID that was on the list. Should they be excluded from voting?

The very conservative 5th District court said that the law violated the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Just goes back to the same thing we've said here numerous times. Folks are completely okay with things, as long as it doesn't affect them.

I'm all for having an ID to vote. Just as long as it's provided to everyone.

Oddly enough that is a rational postion.

[Póg mo 1,749]

It is still kind of strange to me that a developed country like US can't have national identification program.

What is strange to me is that people who vote in person are expected to produce various forms ID, but if other folks choose to via absentee ballot, then no ID is necessary. Oh wait, that's not strange at all, once you figure out who is more likely to vote via absentee ballot or in person at the polling station.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Oddly enough that is a rational postion.

Not really. Most folks don't have an issue with having an ID for voting. Black people in general know first hand about rules made up to keep us from voting. Counting jelly beans in a jar, tests, poll tax. My favorite one was the police stopping you and citing not having a taxi license to take folks to the polls. This happened when I was in DC and Bush was up for re-election. Radio stations were abound with stories about folks getting pulled over and not being able to get to the polls on time.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Not really. Most folks don't have an issue with having an ID for voting. Black people in general know first hand about rules made up to keep us from voting. Counting jelly beans in a jar, tests, poll tax. My favorite one was the police stopping you and citing not having a taxi license to take folks to the polls. This happened when I was in DC and Bush was up for re-election. Radio stations were abound with stories about folks getting pulled over and not being able to get to the polls on time.

Yes I hate counting Jelly Beans also

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Yes I hate counting Jelly Beans also

I'll go out on a limb and say this isn't one of your requirements to vote.

[Rob L 3,811]

What is strange to me is that people who vote in person are expected to produce various forms ID, but if other folks choose to via absentee ballot, then no ID is necessary. Oh wait, that's not strange at all, once you figure out who is more likely to vote via absentee ballot or in person at the polling station.

My voter ID card never had a photograph on it...that and my signature is all Washington state required to vote. We now have mail in ballots so everyone is absentee. There is no evidence that Mail in ballots increase fraud.

Voter fraud is a red herring. It is practically non-existent and even where is does exist it has not influenced elections. There is no rational reason to commit voter fraud.

In Washington state we had a serious for the close 2004 gubernatorial election which resulted in serious review of every ballot. What the data show is it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time and that Felons who voted without their rights restored were more likely to vote Republican.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Rob L