Leaving Saudi residency out to avoid need for police cert (split)

[John & Ana Marie 1]

On which form is the question about countries lived in over 6 months asked ... Is it DS160 or DS230 for K1?

Just starting the K1 process and have read much on the site including forums, and have a similar situation ... my fiance and beneficiary worked in the UAE about 15 years ago and doesn't remember much detail. I also understand that clearances are unavailable and should be waived by the consular. But my fiance has suggested not including this information on the forms at all, rather than deal with a possible police certificate request, which I doubt is a good idea. So how might the agencies involved find out about her travel history? I would like a good answer to give her.

[JFH 12,190]

On which form is the question about countries lived in over 6 months asked ... Is it DS160 or DS230 for K1?

Just starting the K1 process and have read much on the site including forums, and have a similar situation ... my fiance and beneficiary worked in the UAE about 15 years ago and doesn't remember much detail. I also understand that clearances are unavailable and should be waived by the consular. But my fiance has suggested not including this information on the forms at all, rather than deal with a possible police certificate request, which I doubt is a good idea. So how might the agencies involved find out about her travel history? I would like a good answer to give her.

Never, ever, leave out any information that is required in this process. The consequence of material misrepresentation is a lifetime ban.

They will know that he lived there as you also have to provide all addresses you lived at since the age of 16.

[Anne2016 0]

Hi pumpmeup, for K1 its DS160

you can mail the US embassy Manila at http://manila.usembassy.gov/wwwh3230.html just follow the instruction.

On which form is the question about countries lived in over 6 months asked ... Is it DS160 or DS230 for K1?

Just starting the K1 process and have read much on the site including forums, and have a similar situation ... my fiance and beneficiary worked in the UAE about 15 years ago and doesn't remember much detail. I also understand that clearances are unavailable and should be waived by the consular. But my fiance has suggested not including this information on the forms at all, rather than deal with a possible police certificate request, which I doubt is a good idea. So how might the agencies involved find out about her travel history? I would like a good answer to give her.

Posted Today, 07:41 PM

Hi pumpmeup, for K1 its DS160

you can mail the US embassy Manila at http://manila.usemba...v/wwwh3230.html just follow the instruction.

[Unidentified 2,930]

You should always be truthful when dealing with immigration or you can get into some serious problems.

[Unlockable 7,314]

Is he serious? With everything that is going on in the world now background checks for safety is one of the most important things to do in regards to immigration.

Edited August 16, 2016 by NuestraUnion

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

It's time to teach your fiance that lying does not go over well in the US.

[Limey 551]

Don't omit this... especially since it was 15 years! NEVER LIE to immigration, they are not unreasonable people, tell the truth and you will be fine.

1) In many cases they will waive the requirement for police cert from these countries, however since the period of time spent there is so long, they may insist that the certificate be obtained from UAE (this happened to a fried of mine who had been born and spent most of his life in the UAE, but was not a citizen)

2) You CAN obtain them without visiting - I did it about 2 years ago. Its a bit of a bureaucratic process, time consuming and relatively costly as I needed to obtain certified fingerprints from the police in the UK, get those stamped by the foreign office in UK, and then have that stamped in turn by the UAE embassy in the UK, but it CAN be done - despite what others here might tell you. I suggest you at least attempt to get them. If you do not succeed, at least you can show the documentation of the attempt to get them as evidence of the problems you'd faced (making a waiver more likely).

[John & Ana Marie 1]

Yes, am serious ... or to be clear, my fiance is. I understand there could be consequences, but how would they know if she did not report living in UAE on DS160?

[p-ana 933]

Yes, am serious ... or to be clear, my fiance is. I understand there could be consequences, but how would they know if she did not report living in UAE on DS160?

They run background checks on everyone

[John & Ana Marie 1]

OK, I certainly get it. They could see something in her transaction history that indicates travel there. Will be sure that she includes this time.

[JFH 12,190]

The UAE will only issue a police certificate for someone physically present in the UAE. For this reason, COs are usually advised to waive the requirement for people who previously lived there

https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/fees/reciprocity-by-country/AE.html

That doesn't mean your fiancé(e) - I'm not sure if we are talking about a male or a female here because the male form was used and also "she" - must not pretend it never happened.

Some countries do issue police certificates for people who no longer live there. I had to get one for Germany. It was a hassle but it depends how badly you want this. I'll do whatever it takes to be with my husband.

Edited August 16, 2016 by JFH

[Limey 551]

The UAE will only issue a police certificate for someone physically present in the UAE. For this reason, COs are usually advised to waive the requirement for people who previously lived there

The important word here is "USUALLY". That may not be the case if the person spent a large chunk of their life there. The UAE has a large expat population (especially from Indian, Bangladesh etc). I met people who were eg Bangladeshi, but had been born in the UAE, and lived their entire life there. If they had moved to Bangladesh, its possible US immigration would require a certificate (else many years of their life are not covered), especially considering the current concerns about people from that region in general. In my case I only spent 3 years in the UAE, and could show many years in the US and UK with no criminal record, so probably would have got a waiver.

But as I said, despite what the US immigration site says, certificates can be obtained even if you are not present in the country (google and you'll find the UAE govt sites themselves explaining how to do it). Its complicated, and costly as you need to pay fees to several different bodies, but it can be done, if it is required.

Lying on the US forms is bad for many reasons

1) even if you don't get caught, do you think its okay to lie?

2) they will find out. The US govt has access to many global datasources, eg flight manifests. I imagine they also have access for security screening of friendly countries security databases, including the UAE. I imagine they would scan all names through as many of the databases they have access to as they can. They also have access to social media, etc - including this very thread. You'd be surprised what they can find out...

Really, don't risk lying to them. Be honest and if you have nothing to hide, you will be okay. If you get caught lying about something that serious, you can kiss goodbye to any chance of coming to the US in the future.

Edited August 16, 2016 by Limey

[John & Ana Marie 1]

Thanks to everyone. Have talked to her and she agrees it is important to be honest. Will deal with each thing one at a time.

[Greenbaum 12,259]

Thanks to everyone. Have talked to her and she agrees it is important to be honest. Will deal with each thing one at a time.

The Embassy in Manila Philippines knows that getting a PC requires you to be in country. They are pretty lenient with the UA. Like others said do not ever lie about anything on your paperwork or face permanent band.

Make a copy of the page from to present to the CO if they are not that knowledgeable about PC'S from UA.

I see your processing through the Philippines. I have a website that will walk you through step by step on the Philippines process. It's free to use. I list the steps, documents and other pertinent information so that you avoid the "gotchas" that are presented while processing. Gotchas can cost you time and or money. I help you avoid those.

This is the link: http://tinyurl.com/ob9xoa8

Also, join others who are taking their steps for their journey in the sub-forum for the Philippines. It's a group of those who have gone before you and those who are near where you are in your journey. Everyone is will to help guide you and answer any questions.

This is the link: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/forum/129-philippines/

Welcome to VJ.

[JFH 12,190]

The important word here is "USUALLY". That may not be the case if the person spent a large chunk of their life there. The UAE has a large expat population (especially from Indian, Bangladesh etc). I met people who were eg Bangladeshi, but had been born in the UAE, and lived their entire life there. If they had moved to Bangladesh, its possible US immigration would require a certificate (else many years of their life are not covered), especially considering the current concerns about people from that region in general. In my case I only spent 3 years in the UAE, and could show many years in the US and UK with no criminal record, so probably would have got a waiver.

But as I said, despite what the US immigration site says, certificates can be obtained even if you are not present in the country (google and you'll find the UAE govt sites themselves explaining how to do it). Its complicated, and costly as you need to pay fees to several different bodies, but it can be done, if it is required.

Lying on the US forms is bad for many reasons

1) even if you don't get caught, do you think its okay to lie?

2) they will find out. The US govt has access to many global datasources, eg flight manifests. I imagine they also have access for security screening of friendly countries security databases, including the UAE. I imagine they would scan all names through as many of the databases they have access to as they can. They also have access to social media, etc - including this very thread. You'd be surprised what they can find out...

Really, don't risk lying to them. Be honest and if you have nothing to hide, you will be okay. If you get caught lying about something that serious, you can kiss goodbye to any chance of coming to the US in the future.

We don't know how long she was there. OP said she worked there 15 years ago. May have only been for a year.

But even if it was only a year, the advice not to omit this information or manipulate the dates on the form to make it look like she as there for less than the minimum time for a PCC to be needed is solid.