Ukrainian girlfriend denied B2 Tourist visa, try again?

[robista 0]

Don't try again.

Ukraine has high rate of refusals probably because of high fraud rate.

https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Non-Immigrant-Statistics/RefusalRates/FY15.pdf

If you guys are serious about marriage just visit now if possible. Ukraine is gorgeous during august/september.

I'm here now in Ukraine Coming here is not a problem, this is my 3rd time here this year (5th overall) and the 4th time I'm meeting with her just this year. While I'm serious about marriage I'm just not sure if I want to do K-1 now because I don't want to get married right now. Though if necessary as someone suggested I may just have to do it on paper and worry about the ceremony later.

I have just contacted a female friend who got her 5 years B2 visa in the empty passport. Probably she didn't show enough documents that she will return back. She needs to show roots in Ukraine. Just a paper from her company that she earns $600 is not enough. They most likely want to see her bank account and how much she has there, would be good to book a round trip ticket, hotels for how many days she is going to stay there and show roots in Ukraine. Does she have any property? Would be good to go through the agency. Would you like I give you the number of the agency who prepared the case for my friend?

The interview was 40 seconds, the CO did not ask for a single document. She had documents ready to go. Booking a roundtrip ticket does not help from everything I've read - people will forego the cost of a return ticket to stay in the US and thus it is not very helpful evidence.

Funny to note that Russia actually has very little rate of refusal compared to Ukraine according to that statistics....They probably love Russians more...just kidding

As someone who's lived in NY I can say I've met quite a few Ukrainian girls who have entered the US on less than truthful means and then just found a way to stay (marriage, other means). I have not met any Russian girls who have done this.

I completely realize this is a tiny sample size and not indicative of anything, and one man's experiences do not make a rule, but to the extent that is reflected in the statistics above I can see why.

Also, Russia is not as poor a country as Ukraine. I've visited both countries many many times and there is a visible difference between the two.

You are supposed to have proposed marriage prior to going the K-1 route. You are both either ready to get married or not. If you are both ready to get married, I would suggest going the CR-1 route. Getting married in Ukraine can be a wonderful experience at a fraction of the cost of a US wedding. Plus she will have the extra pleasure of having her relatives and friends share your wedding day. And if it's important for you to have a formal wedding in the USA because of your friends and family, you can do that too.

Unfortunately I would need to do the ceremony in US because of family and other reasons, but I have no doubt how nice it would be here.

[KierenHby 899]

As someone who's lived in NY I can say I've met quite a few Ukrainian girls who have entered the US on less than truthful means and then just found a way to stay (marriage, other means). I have not met any Russian girls who have done this.

That history is what your Ukrainian girlfriend is up against. Previous lawbreakers screw up the process for future applicants.

[robista 0]

So we have a new plan we are entertaining and wanted to get some of the more experienced members' thoughts on this. Since we are not exactly ready to go the fiance route, and since the tourist visa is basically a slim slim chance, we thought maybe try a student visa. She would find a school that matches her career path, apply to it, and if she got accepted, attempt for that visa.

Naturally, my first questions are:

1. What would be her chances of getting that visa?

2. If she got denied, would that impact her ability to get a fiance visa?

Of course she would never lie if it came up that she knows me in the US or anything of that nature.

Thanks as always in advance.

[Boiler 45,947]

Tourist Visa application cheap and quick.

Student Visa very expensive. Does she have the money to study in the US?

[jan22 3,056]

So we have a new plan we are entertaining and wanted to get some of the more experienced members' thoughts on this. Since we are not exactly ready to go the fiance route, and since the tourist visa is basically a slim slim chance, we thought maybe try a student visa. She would find a school that matches her career path, apply to it, and if she got accepted, attempt for that visa.

Naturally, my first questions are:

1. What would be her chances of getting that visa?

2. If she got denied, would that impact her ability to get a fiance visa?

Of course she would never lie if it came up that she knows me in the US or anything of that nature.

Thanks as always in advance.

The same visa law applies to student visas as to visitor's visa -- you have to overcome 214(b) of the INA which says that you are viewed as an intending immigrant until you can demonstrate all of your reasons for returning to your country. With visitor visas recently denied, there is little to no chance that a student visa would be approved. Especially since she would also have to prove how she has sufficient funds available to pay for the full first year of schooling and an income stream that is sufficient for all of her studies. With her salary, I am assuming that you would be supporting her education -- yet another indication of a reason to stay in the US and reason not to return to Ukraine.

[Lenchick 133]

So we have a new plan we are entertaining and wanted to get some of the more experienced members' thoughts on this. Since we are not exactly ready to go the fiance route, and since the tourist visa is basically a slim slim chance, we thought maybe try a student visa. She would find a school that matches her career path, apply to it, and if she got accepted, attempt for that visa.

Naturally, my first questions are:

1. What would be her chances of getting that visa?

2. If she got denied, would that impact her ability to get a fiance visa?

Of course she would never lie if it came up that she knows me in the US or anything of that nature.

Thanks as always in advance.

Besides above mentioned, she needs to demonstrate strong evidences of roots in Ukraine so that there wouldn't be any doubt she will return back home. Why don't you want to go the same route? Just analyze potential reasons she was denied for. I advise you to refer to a good visa agency in Ukraine, they usually know how to prepare a good application and supporting documents. I can suggest you one that my girl friend applied to who got a 5 year US tourist visa for the first time.

[robista 0]

Thanks for all the quick replies.

I would be paying I guess for the tuition/etc. But how do all the other Ukrainians who get student visas pay for it? I imagine not all are rich on their own right.

We used an agency last time and given how that turned out, we are a little shy against it.

As to my other question - does that denial hinder the K1 - anyone have any thoughts on that?

[Boiler 45,947]

How do Americans go to College?

They either borrow the money and/or work and/or have family that help.

If you are poor in the US you are not likely to be studying halfway around the world.

[KierenHby 899]

So we have a new plan we are entertaining and wanted to get some of the more experienced members' thoughts on this. Since we are not exactly ready to go the fiance route, and since the tourist visa is basically a slim slim chance, we thought maybe try a student visa. She would find a school that matches her career path, apply to it, and if she got accepted, attempt for that visa.

I would be paying I guess for the tuition/etc. But how do all the other Ukrainians who get student visas pay for it? I imagine not all are rich on their own right.

We used an agency last time and given how that turned out, we are a little shy against it.

As to my other question - does that denial hinder the K1 - anyone have any thoughts on that?

Those serious about what they want usually apply for a visa and stick with it. Fiance visa.. tourist visa.. student visa.. basically you two haven't thought this through, sounds like any which way to get her to the US?