Donald Trump suggests ‘2nd Amendment people’ could stop President Hillary Clinton

[lostinblue 1,989]

[John Miller 761]

[yuna628 9,744]

Yeah. We'd know it all right. The numerous times bullets have gone flying through our houses and vehicles because Upstanding Legal Gunowner decides to shoot at some imaginary possums while drunk, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner decide to point their firearm while beating their wives at 2am in the morning, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner murders children and pets because of celebratory drunken gunfire, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner decides to smoke some joints and then threateningly strokes his illegally carried gun so you won't call police after he rams into your vehicle, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner goes to the firing range and 'accidently' shoots themselves in the face. Sure thing we know it. Uh Huh. Absolutely.

[JayJayH 546]

Yeah. We'd know it all right. The numerous times bullets have gone flying through our houses and vehicles because Upstanding Legal Gunowner decides to shoot at some imaginary possums while drunk, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner decide to point their firearm while beating their wives at 2am in the morning, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner murders children and pets because of celebratory drunken gunfire, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner decides to smoke some joints and then threateningly strokes his illegally carried gun so you won't call police after he rams into your vehicle, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner goes to the firing range and 'accidently' shoots themselves in the face. Sure thing we know it. Uh Huh. Absolutely.

Domestic violence, drunken murder and death threats are generally felonies, whether committed by an AR-15, a hammer or a Ford F-150.

[John Miller 761]

Domestic violence, drunken murder and death threats are generally felonies, whether committed by an AR-15, a hammer or a Ford F-150.

Domestic violence ends up being deadly more frequently when there's a firearm involved. Fact.

[Rob L 3,811]

Domestic violence, drunken murder and death threats are generally felonies, whether committed by an AR-15, a hammer or a Ford F-150.

Jay Jay , in which state are ypu registered as a liberal? cuz I would like to see who certified you.

[Ban Hammer 13,644]

[OriZ 3,157]

JayJay seems more like a moderate, middle of the road type person to me.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

JayJay seems more like a moderate, middle of the road type person to me.

Well it's glad good to have another one here , isn't it.

[OriZ 3,157]

Well it's glad good to have another one here , isn't it.

Yeah there's a bunch of rollovers over in the left ditch, I'm driving on the shoulder

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Yeah there's a bunch of rollovers over in the left ditch, I'm driving on the shoulder

You know and there are some good folks in the left ditch, they just got Mud over the windshield and can't see

[JayJayH 546]

Jay Jay , in which state are ypu registered as a liberal? cuz I would like to see who certified you.

I'm not sure I'm certified. I did spend 15 years trying to convince Republicans that going into Iraq was an exceptionally bad idea, that the U.S. healthcare system costs, per capita, twice the amount of any single payer system, that there is no non-religious reason for a federal ban on ban gay marriage, that there is a correlation between climate change and CO2 in the atmosphere, that religion doesn't belong in politics, that deporting 12 million people won't work in practice, that you shouldn't own a gun if you're mentally insane and that absolutely no amount of hurt feelings trump an individual's right to free of speech. That didn't prevent much of the GOP from going over a cliff.

I think those are perfectly legitimate liberal viewpoints, despite the fact that nearly 40% of millennials favor a ban on "hate speech." George Carlin would roll in his grave.

The viewpoints I argue on VJ pertain mostly to traditional liberal thought as well. In this case, I think any liberal should question whether gun ownership or gun culture is the real problem. I'm interested in solving problems, not making ideologically pure fad statements. Has banning guns from any major metropolitan area of the United States actually helped lower murder rates?

If being liberal means banning things we don't like, avoid offending anyone at all cost, promoting religiously orthodox medieval garments as "diversity", not questioning semi-truths that have become almost folkloric to the left - Then I don't meet certification requirements.

There are plenty of perfectly reasonable conservatives, and plenty of good ideas on the conservative side. I may not agree with all of them, but I'd rather compromise with conservatives, than see my own side fall over its own ideologically authoritarian cliff of hypocrisy.

Edited August 13, 2016 by JayJayH

[Merle 458]

Yeah. We'd know it all right. The numerous times bullets have gone flying through our houses and vehicles because Upstanding Legal Gunowner decides to shoot at some imaginary possums while drunk, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner decide to point their firearm while beating their wives at 2am in the morning, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner murders children and pets because of celebratory drunken gunfire, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner decides to smoke some joints and then threateningly strokes his illegally carried gun so you won't call police after he rams into your vehicle, when Upstanding Legal Gunowner goes to the firing range and 'accidently' shoots themselves in the face. Sure thing we know it. Uh Huh. Absolutely.

I'm a "second amendment person" and I've never done any of those things. Neither have any of "my second amendment people" friends. I've never had any run-ins with the law unless you count the one and only speeding ticket I got in 2005.

[yuna628 9,744]

I'm a "second amendment person" and I've never done any of those things. Neither have any of "my second amendment people" friends. I've never had any run-ins with the law unless you count the one and only speeding ticket I got in 2005.

Glad to hear it. When you live in an area where it seems everyone owns a gun numerously and yet behave so dangerously with them you start to wonder, how many careless persons could possibly be in one area with so many weapons at the ready to do utterly stupid things with? I'd like to see more done to root out these individuals or prevent it from happening in the first place. At times it seems memes like the above gives the appearance that all gun owners behave in a responsible manner. Some do, but some don't. And some are simply whack-a-doo. There are numerous LEOs in the area here, the lawless behavior is frequent, and they turn a blind eye.

I've often said that where I grew up I was used to daily gunfire, but since arriving here I experience a different kind of daily gunfire. Neither one is a good thing. So as I said, when there is a problem, we certainly do know it, as there are often life-threatening consequences.

[Ban Hammer 13,644]

Glad to hear it. When you live in an area where it seems everyone owns a gun numerously and yet behave so dangerously with them you start to wonder, how many careless persons could possibly be in one area with so many weapons at the ready to do utterly stupid things with? I'd like to see more done to root out these individuals or prevent it from happening in the first place. At times it seems memes like the above gives the appearance that all gun owners behave in a responsible manner. Some do, but some don't. And some are simply whack-a-doo. There are numerous LEOs in the area here, the lawless behavior is frequent, and they turn a blind eye.

I've often said that where I grew up I was used to daily gunfire, but since arriving here I experience a different kind of daily gunfire. Neither one is a good thing. So as I said, when there is a problem, we certainly do know it, as there are often life-threatening consequences.

do you live in a city or out in the country?