A Short Politically Incorrect Climate Conversation

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

Monday, 08 Aug 2016 09:49 AM

I recently sat next to a woman on a flight from Houston which began with pleasantries regarding the purposes of our trip. When asked whether mine was for business or pleasure, I said that it combined a bit of both. I explained that I was on my way to do a media interview.

That led her to ask what it was that I do, to which I answered that I’m in the habit of writing quite a lot about topics that vary considerably, but frequently address stuff about climate and energy . . . often many politically incorrect aspects.

She asked, “You aren’t like that guy in Ohio that doesn’t believe in climate change, are you?”

I responded that I don’t personally know anyone who doesn’t think that climate changes, but there may be one in Ohio that I have yet to meet. Seems to me that climate change has been going on for quite a while . . . billions of years in fact.

Global temperatures were at least just as warm about 2,000 years ago during the “Roman Warm Period” when popular fashions featured cool-looking sandals and togas. Conditions were much the same again during the “Medieval warm period” about a thousand years later. That was when Eric the Red and his Norse pals, sans-sandals, raised sheep and goats on southwestern Greenland’s coastal grasslands.

Around 1350, Red’s Viking descendants pulled up stakes and high-tailed it out of there for friendlier climes with the coming of a “little ice age.” That big chill lasted until shortly after Washington’s troops spent a brutally cold winter at Valley Forge in 1777, and Napoleon’s beat a brutally frigid retreat from Moscow in 1812.

Incidentally, the warming that followed began before the Industrial Revolution brought CO2-belching smokestacks and SUVs, and has continued in fits and starts ever since.

Still, U.S. temperatures between 1910 through the mid-1940s were warmer than now, and then cooled again for about three decades. By the late 1970s many “climate experts” heralded the arrival of the next real ice age. That alarm vector reversed entirely about a decade later when Sen. Al Gore’s steamy 1988 Senate hearings concluded that the planet is on fire and we are causing it.

She: “We must be. How can anyone deny the influence of the record levels of CO2 we are polluting the atmosphere with?”

Me: Satellite temperature records which have been available only since 1979 show that other than naturally-occurring 1998 and 2015 El Nino temperature spikes, no statistically significant global warming has occurred for nearly two decades. On the other hand, satellite imagery shows that the plant-fertilizing CO2 “pollution” you referred to has increased global greening by 25 to 50 percent since then . . . lots more veggies for all God’s creatures.

She: “Then why are glaciers melting faster than ever, and causing oceans to rise and coastlines to flood?”

Me: Yes, the Arctic, which goes through regular 60-70 year-long warming and cooling cycles, has most recently been losing some ice mass, while most of the vastly larger Antarctic continent has been gaining.

A National Academy of Sciences report attributes a primary cause of those thunderous West Antarctic Ice Sheet iceberg collapses we often see featured in the media to geothermal heat from seabed volcanoes below.

This coastal melting has been operating at time scales of hundreds to thousands of years.

There’s also no reason for feverishly overheated concern regarding glacial melting causing a rapid sea level rise. It’s another natural phenomenon that has been occurring over eons.

The rate of that increase has stabilized over the past few hundred years at about seven inches per century.

She: “Why then are increasingly frequent and severe weather events occurring which scientists predict will become even worse? How can you possibly claim that we aren’t causing all of this to happen?”

Me: If we are, might we then also take some credit for good news too?

No category 3-5 hurricanes have struck the U.S. coast since October 2005, a record century-long lull since 1900. And according to both NOAA and U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, there has been no increase in the severity or frequency of floods, droughts, thunderstorms or tornadoes in recent decades either.

She: “Well what about all of the real climate scientists who say otherwise? Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize for telling us differently. Do you think you are smarter?”

I admitted to real professional limitations on that last point. Being more a rocket scientist than true climate scientist like him, I falsely assumed he got the award for inventing the Internet, along with an Oscar for his sensationally dramatic science fiction horror movie acting performance. That abruptly ended our chat. My seatmate promptly returned to reading a Rolling Stone magazine Bernie Sanders feature. The rest of that flight was very quiet. I even got some sleep.

http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/energy-gore/2016/08/08/id/742569/

[smilesammich 10,727]

[Rob L 3,811]

No percentage in rehashing this. People believe what they want and the opinion of scientists around the world don't matter at all. Disbelief in the effects of carbon emissions is an article of faith for many.

[Dashinka 24,488]

No percentage in rehashing this. People believe what they want and the opinion of scientists around the world don't matter at all. Disbelief in the effects of carbon emissions is an article of faith for many.

So disbelief is an article of faith, but belief is totally rooted in science. The hipocracy abounds particularly in the pseudoscience labeled climatology. Maybe it is a branch of Scientology since it is so rooted in science.

[Rob L 3,811]

So disbelief is an article of faith, but belief is totally rooted in science. The hipocracy abounds particularly in the pseudoscience labeled climatology. Maybe it is a branch of Scientology since it is so rooted in science.

It is not "belief" in carbon emmisions causing changes to the climate and ocean as it is proven scientific fact. Belief would imply a leap of faith. You can find scientists not associated with earth and climate sciences raise doubt that all the proof is in, but zero who can disprove the established science.

People who obstinately refuse to consider the facts are doing more to harm their grandchildrens inheritance than they will ever understand. This is the biggest scam of the 21st century

Edited August 9, 2016 by Rob L

[crazyworld 54]

Nice topic,

Here is an interesting site to check out

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php

A interesting topic on this site:

Climate Change in Russia [Europe] on July 30 2016 04:26 AM (UTC).

Something strange is happening on Bely Island in the Kara Sea. Fifteen large bubbles have been found in the melting permafrost, and when someone steps on one, it will tremble, sort of like a water-bed. A short video was posted on YouTube by the Siberian Times last week, and it has already been seen by over 1.3 million viewers. It is fascinating to watch the researcher step on one of the bubbles because it very clearly bounces. Most all of the comments about the video shared the same conclusion - climate change. The swelling pockets in the permafrost, most of them around one meter in diameter are leaking enormous amounts of ecologically dangerous gases. Bely Island has an area of 1,810 square kilometers (700 sq mi) and is covered in tundra with a few dwarfed shrubs, but little else. The island sits in the Kara Sea on the tip of the Yamal Peninsula, Siberia, Russia. The island lies 475 miles (764km) north of the Arctic Circle, and the only thing of interest on the island is a Russian Experiment Station (Polyarnaya Stantsiya). Researchers Alexander Sokolov and Dorothee Ehrich, who work on the island, spotted the bubbles last year, and while scientists are not positive of the reason why these spots have appeared, environmental scientists think they could be linked to the release of methane from the melting permafrost under the surface. Sokolov and Ehrich punctured one of the spots, and air escaped. They measured the air and found it contained 200 times more methane and 20 times more carbon dioxide than there is in the air we breathe. The Siberian Times reports that one account said: "As we took off a layer of grass and soil, a fountain of gas erupted." "It is likely that the 10 days of extraordinary heat that engulfed Europe could have started some mechanisms, [and the] higher level of permafrost could have thawed and released a huge amount of gases," Sokolov told the Siberian Times. Sokolov also warned that the extent of the harmful greenhouse gases buried in the jelly-like bubbles raises a "very serious alarm" concerning the impact of global warming on the planet, according to the Daily Mail. As one researcher said, according to EcoWatch, "It is evident even to amateurs that this is a very serious alarm." Another researcher added, "There is a serious reason to be concerned if gas bubbles appear in the permafrost zone." The researchers worry over the unpredictable' consequences.

Since climate science is a fairly new field compared to other sciences it is still in its infancy. One can not prove or disprove theories in a classroom experiment, but it takes 20, 50, hundred of years to prove them right or wrong. Its like predicting if its going to rain on this date a year from now.

Climate change is and always will oscillate between warmer and cooler periods. What man made environment pollution is doing in my opinion is intensifying this warming cycle we are in. Since the last warming cycle, the worlds population has doubled and is growing all the time and fresh drinking water is already in high demand in a lot of areas in the world. As lakes continue to dry up and rivers become streams, there will be less and less fresh water for everything on the planet, humans, plants, crops, and animals.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

The dinosaurs didn't have cars and factories, and look what happened to them.

[crazyworld 54]

The dinosaurs didn't have cars and factories, and look what happened to them.

That was an asteroid.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/147978-finally-confirmed-an-asteroid-wiped-out-the-dinosaurs

[smilesammich 10,727]

That was an asteroid.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/147978-finally-confirmed-an-asteroid-wiped-out-the-dinosaurs

so, the dinosaurs didn't have bruce willis or aerosmith.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

so, the dinosaurs didn't have bruce willis or aerosmith.

Or Morgan Freeman.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Yes. And the dinosaurs perished because the climate changed. They had no say in the matter.

[Ban Hammer 13,333]

Yes. And the dinosaurs perished because the climate changed. They had no say in the matter.

i guess we all better get used to the idea of being gasoline for cockroach cars.

[unsmiley 111]

charles!, on 08 Aug 2016 - 2:21 PM, said:

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She: “Well what about all of the real climate scientists who say otherwise? Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize for telling us differently. Do you think you are smarter?”

I admitted to real professional limitations on that last point. Being more a rocket scientist than true climate scientist like him, I falsely assumed he got the award for inventing the Internet, along with an Oscar for his sensationally dramatic science fiction horror movie acting performance. That abruptly ended our chat. My seatmate promptly returned to reading a Rolling Stone magazine Bernie Sanders feature. The rest of that flight was very quiet. I even got some sleep.

http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/energy-gore/2016/08/08/id/742569/

Perhaps he got that from the heat he generated in the performance of happy endings during his "massage" sessions.

Some details about sexual assault allegations from his "massage therapists" in 2010 is below:

http://www.businessinsider.com/two-more-women-accuse-al-gore-of-assault-2010-7