Reparations

[CarlosAndSveta 808]

Anyone who thinks they are "owed" something, needs to get off their self-pity trip (and their lazy #######) and work and EARN whatever it is that they want. Unless they are physically disabled after a lifetime of working, all they are entitled to in America is the right to work hard and succeed. Legal immigrants have been doing just that since America was discovered.

The problem is that some people of color can't do this because of discrimination.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I think Marvin was saying black Africans thrive here because it's not the color of the skin it's the mindset and behavior.

Which is pretty much what we been telling him all along.

Looks like he finally got it

[lostinblue 1,989]

The problem is that some people of color can't do this because of discrimination.

That is the crutch they use . If we sent the invaders back people of color would have jobs

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

The problem is that some people of color can't do this because of discrimination.

But Marvin just told us Africans do fine here and most of them are pretty black.

So is it skin color or not

[CarlosAndSveta 808]

Lost and Nature Boy: Are you two telling me that I should ignore what I have seen in my 60 years on this planet? I have seen discrimination in action and it is still out there, It is not as overt as it was but it is still here.

Edited August 6, 2016 by CarlosAndSveta

[Boiler 45,670]

I am not sure if it is really true, sound unlikely, but I read somewhere that discrimination exists outside the US, in fact some places your WP may not be a perfect shield.

[denali1022 26]

But Marvin just told us Africans do fine here and most of them are pretty black.

So is it skin color or not

I thought they werent black. They are african. So are they black or not? Edited August 7, 2016 by denali1022

[OriZ 3,157]

I thought they werent black. They are african. So are they black or not?

They are Newafrican American, and the others are Oldafrican American. There's a difference.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Lost and Nature Boy: Are you two telling me that I should ignore what I have seen in my 60 years on this planet? I have seen discrimination in action and it is still out there, It is not as overt as it was but it is still here.

Nobody ever said it does exist. It always will and it comes from all races.

However to blame all the problems of black Americans in racism is absurd.

[JayJayH 546]

Maybe because there was a pretty lucrative slave trade going on right here in the USA at the time.

I really am struggling to find out why this tidbit of information is thrown out there like slaves weren't owned by white people here. And I've had more than one person here tell me I should be more mad at the African/Muslims that owned slaves in a different country than the white people who owned them here.

Of course. I think the bigger picture should still be in the curriculum of any self-respecting accredited educational institution however.

There is no one on this forum you could be mad at as far as slavery goes really. I am genuinely incredibly sorry that the great great great grandparents of a minority of white Americans "owned" (I can't even use that word without quotations, it's disgusting) your great great great grandparents.

So we have one said saying:

"Remember the Arab slave trade!" and "Blacks owned slaves too!"

Then we have another side saying:

"Why should I be more mad at African and Arab slave owners?"

This is what identity politics does. It leads to tribalism, and it makes people defensive based on factors that they, quite frankly, have nothing to do with. A 3rd generation Italian or Polish American today has just about as much to do with slavery as a Japanese or Nigerian American.

Whenever you throw blanket statements about race into the mix, people become defensive. That's true, whether you're black, white, brown, yellow or blue.

Which is just another reason why identity politics and "social justice" is an unsustainable, toxic mix that does nothing but fuel division and hatred.

Frankly, I'm used to the far right throwing out questionable statements regarding race. The mainstream left delving into racial tribalism is new to me, and as a liberal, it caught me completely off guard some time in 2015. Between the social justice brigade and the neo-Nazi crockpot known as Stormfront, I find very little difference. I find this beyond terrifying.

Edited August 7, 2016 by JayJayH

[lostinblue 1,989]

Lost and Nature Boy: Are you two telling me that I should ignore what I have seen in my 60 years on this planet? I have seen discrimination in action and it is still out there, It is not as overt as it was but it is still here.

Documents indicate IRS officials knew of Tea Party targeting since 2011

A new batch of FBI documents released Thursday by Judicial Watch indicates that several senior Internal Revenue Service (IRS) officials were aware of the targeting of conservative groups almost two years before they told Congress.

The rot went through the whole IRS system ... Discrimination against conservatives ...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/28/documents-indicate-irs-officials-knew-tea-party-targeting-since-2011.html

Edited August 7, 2016 by lostinblue

[CarlosAndSveta 808]

The rot went through the whole IRS system ... Discrimination against conservatives .

What does this have to do with the subject of reparations?

Since you brought it up I will just point out that it is the job of the IRS to target (audit) those groups of people it thinks aren't in compliance with the tax law.

Edited August 7, 2016 by CarlosAndSveta

[lostinblue 1,989]

What does this have to do with the subject of reparations?

Since you brought it up I will just point out that it is the job of the IRS to target (audit) those groups of people that aren't in compliance with the tax law.

You were talking about discrimination of a certain class of people .That is what the IRS is all about.

IRS Reveals It Targeted Over 400 Conservative Groups For Scrutiny

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/06/06/irs-reveals-targeted-400-conservative-groups-scrutiny/

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

But Marvin just told us Africans do fine here and most of them are pretty black.

So is it skin color or not

They do fine because they come here and are not dealing with the same ####### we've had to endure forever. Any group that immigrates here(Asian, Hispanic, etc) does so because of black people before them that fought to open up rights for all people.

Even here, the comments against black people are disgusting. Cops kill them and I watch law biding citizens turn a blind eye to blatant misconduct from the police. I see people who aren't even a part of something get blamed and have no sympathy for them even when they're not a part of it.

[Boiler 45,670]

Let me see if I have this right, I am pretty sure I will need to be corrected.

So Black is someone who can trace ancestry back to someone who was a slave in the US.

So for example Obama is not Black, well as far as I have seen mentioned, seem to remember he claimed to be Irish?

So does the one drop rule apply, or do you need to be a certain percentage?

As far as Reparations are concerned will they be pro rata depending on how many of your ancestors you can show to have been slaves in the US. So you have say 3 slaves out of 32 great great great grandparents so you get 3/32nd?

But then you are paying in via the Government for the other 29 so you will be a net contributor?

Edited August 7, 2016 by Boiler