Black Lives Matter, Racism: A Conservative Perspective (Larry Elder Interview)

[smilesammich 10,727]

I am on a desk top know. I thought you knew things outside your circle of whiteness

Here you go

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hood

hood

1. The ghetto.

2. Someone who is from the ghetto.

3. Someone who acts like they are from the ghetto.

i do know things outside my circle of whiteness, that's why i discounted the video from the get go. 'the hood turns on police' could have just have easily been 'black kid shot in cold blood by white cop" and i could have made the same assessment as far as divisive intent and language. only difference there would be, you'd want to see some context surrounding the video and want to wait to judge until all the facts come out. this video that is supposedly evident of 'the hood turning on police' and serves to warn us all of the lawlessness to come if we allow 'blm' to exist, could be total dog wagging. you have no idea. you don't know anything about where this video came from. but the title sure did fill in the blanks for ya.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

i do know things outside my circle of whiteness, that's why i discounted the video from the get go. 'the hood turns on police' could have just have easily been 'black kid shot in cold blood by white cop" and i could have made the same assessment as far as divisive intent and language. only difference there would be, you'd want to see some context surrounding the video and want to wait to judge until all the facts come out. this video that is supposedly evident of 'the hood turning on police' and serves to warn us all of the lawlessness to come if we allow 'blm' to exist, could be total dog wagging. you have no idea. you don't know anything about where this video came from. but the title sure did fill in the blanks for ya.

I have not seen the video.

[smilesammich 10,727]

I have not seen the video.

you ain't missin much.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Yes, violence against police has declined. So have murders & violent crim committed with a gun. Yet both have been in the spotlight lately. Though both are getting better, neither is yet at a level that is healthy, IMHO (and, I suspect, in the opinion of most people here, including you).

You have tried to portray the #BLM "movement" as a positive thing on this forum, more than once. I respectfully disagree. There is nothing positive about them, save the concept of "less violence". Yet by their very actions, their group incites more violence, disrespect for the law (such as promoting and participating in riots, blocking roadways, etc. which is NOT assembling peacefully, BTW), chanting slogans against cops and calling for their murder, and talking about killing all whites. Just to name a few. Now, this may not have been their original premise, but by the time I became aware of them, this is what I saw. And I think it's ugly, and counter productive. It does nothing to bring harmony neither between people of different colors nor between blacks and the police. It has quite the opposite polar effect, in fact.

People who fight the police are idiots, period. Typically, the police have the law on their side. Don't resist, go along peacefully, and if you were treated wrongly, seek recourse after the fact. That's what lawyers and lawsuits are for. And yes, there are crooked and corrupt cops out there who use their shield as something to hide behind and persecute innocent people. But those are a minority, IMO. They are bullies who use their position to make themselves feel bigger than they feel about themselves, and they would be the same way no matter what profession they chose. But by and large, police officers protect us and try to maintain law and order. They are not the problem, the people who fight them are.

prove it. imo you're only parroting what your media overlords want you to think and be very afraid of there's no substance here. i can show you stats showing how violence toward police has been in the decline for some time. you'd never accept it because you're filling your brain with youtube videos that a slanted to fit nicely into your personal fear.

for you, youtube search white guy fight police..ostrich up here lookin around for yah. about 3,700,000 results so this should keep you busy.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#tbm=vid&q=white+guy+fight+police

OMG HAS THE WORLD GONE MAD!?

obvious to me.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Yes, violence against police has declined. So have murders & violent crim committed with a gun. Yet both have been in the spotlight lately. Though both are getting better, neither is yet at a level that is healthy, IMHO (and, I suspect, in the opinion of most people here, including you).

You have tried to portray the #BLM "movement" as a positive thing on this forum, more than once. I respectfully disagree. There is nothing positive about them, save the concept of "less violence". Yet by their very actions, their group incites more violence, disrespect for the law (such as promoting and participating in riots, blocking roadways, etc. which is NOT assembling peacefully, BTW), chanting slogans against cops and calling for their murder, and talking about killing all whites. Just to name a few. Now, this may not have been their original premise, but by the time I became aware of them, this is what I saw. And I think it's ugly, and counter productive. It does nothing to bring harmony neither between people of different colors nor between blacks and the police. It has quite the opposite polar effect, in fact.

People who fight the police are idiots, period. Typically, the police have the law on their side. Don't resist, go along peacefully, and if you were treated wrongly, seek recourse after the fact. That's what lawyers and lawsuits are for. And yes, there are crooked and corrupt cops out there who use their shield as something to hide behind and persecute innocent people. But those are a minority, IMO. They are bullies who use their position to make themselves feel bigger than they feel about themselves, and they would be the same way no matter what profession they chose. But by and large, police officers protect us and try to maintain law and order. They are not the problem, the people who fight them are.

look, i'm not trying to portray blm as anything other than what i've seen them put out there. i see blm being portrayed here @ cehst as something they actually aren't, no matter what alternative characterizations are offered, and i can safely hedge my bet that those who choose to continue to slander blm do so via willful ignorance and unfortunate media manipulation.

DeRay Mckesson, one of the best known voices for the Black Lives Matter movement, and who was arrested at a demonstration in Baton Rouge, La., earlier this month, called for peace in a phone interview after news of the shooting broke on Sunday.

“I’m waiting for more information like everybody else,” he said. “I have more questions than answers”

“The movement began as a call to end violence. That call remains.”

Mr. Mckesson and several others traveled to Baton Rouge to protest the death of Alton Sterling, who was fatally shot by the police on July 5. The authorities arrested more than 100 people in connection with a protest outside the city’s Police Headquarters, charging most of them with obstructing the road. Eight firearms were confiscated and one officer lost several teeth after he was struck by a projectile, the police said.

“My prayers are with the victims of all violence,” Mr. Mckesson said Sunday

http://www.nytimes.com/live/police-shooting-in-baton-rouge/black-lives-matter-leader-calls-for-peace/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-lives-matter-alicia-garza-dallas-shooting_us_578105c4e4b0344d514f834c

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

I don't see how you can NOT see their messages of hatred and violence. It's out there to view, and some have been kind enough to provide links here. I'm sure not all members are supportive of the hateful messages; but if one says they support blm, then they have to own up to all that is blm, amirite?

A black woman yesterday summed it up nicely during our conversation: I don't care what color a person is, we all need to stop this hateful violence and try to come together as one race. BLM is doing nothing but driving us farther apart."

look, i'm not trying to portray blm as anything other than what i've seen them put out there. i see blm being portrayed here @ cehst as something they actually aren't, no matter what alternative characterizations are offered, and i can safely hedge my bet that those who choose to continue to slander blm do so via willful ignorance and unfortunate media manipulation.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I don't see how you can NOT see their messages of hatred and violence. It's out there to view, and some have been kind enough to provide links here. I'm sure not all members are supportive of the hateful messages; but if one says they support blm, then they have to own up to all that is blm, amirite?

A black woman yesterday summed it up nicely during our conversation: I don't care what color a person is, we all need to stop this hateful violence and try to come together as one race. BLM is doing nothing but driving us farther apart."

They can't see it be use their bellies are full of kool aide

[smilesammich 10,727]

I don't see how you can NOT see their messages of hatred and violence. It's out there to view, and some have been kind enough to provide links here. I'm sure not all members are supportive of the hateful messages; but if one says they support blm, then they have to own up to all that is blm, amirite?

A black woman yesterday summed it up nicely during our conversation: I don't care what color a person is, we all need to stop this hateful violence and try to come together as one race. BLM is doing nothing but driving us farther apart."

of course i do, but i see the message of hate and intolerance coming from multiple sources.

the first part in bold, groups such as blm have mission statements and that is what members of blm defend. sort of like how people can be catholic but not support child molestation. or support police and not support violence towards police. or to demand accountability of police departments as concerns training/militarization/complacency in matters such as the school to prison pipeline but also demand that people who choose to snipe out cops or assault cops in any manner, even inciting violence against them are held accountable in a court of law. there is a correct and incorrect way to go about social change.

the second part in bold..blm does not support violence.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

of course i do, but i see the message of hate and intolerance coming from multiple sources.

the first part in bold, groups such as blm have mission statements and that is what members of blm defend. sort of like how people can be catholic but not support child molestation. or support police and not support violence towards police. or to demand accountability of police departments as concerns training/militarization/complacency in matters such as the school to prison pipeline but also demand that people who choose to snipe out cops or assault cops in any manner, even inciting violence against them are held accountable in a court of law. there is a correct and incorrect way to go about social change.

the second part in bold..blm does not support violence.

Well said. What counts is the mission statement and initial and current intent which is non violence and the leader(s) continue to

drive that message. The group can not control every person who goes into another direction and veers off the non violent path.

To support that message does in no way mean I also support any violence committed, that would be absurd.

Anyone who is Catholic and being asked do you support all of what every priest does (supporting predator priests) is a good example

and I hope it breaks it down for those who still do not get it.

Good grief, if we would all have to support every individual's crazy lunatic actions who supports a certain group or movement......

I can't even wrap my head around such thinking and assumption.

I support the police but am not blinded to those violent driven officers. I support BLM but that doesn't mean I support

violence. Why is that even an issue ?!

[smilesammich 10,727]

Well said. What counts is the mission statement and initial and current intent which is non violence and the leader(s) continue to

drive that message. The group can not control every person who goes into another direction and veers off the non violent path.

To support that message does in no way mean I also support any violence committed, that would be absurd.

Anyone who is Catholic and being asked do you support all of what every priest does (supporting predator priests) is a good example

and I hope it breaks it down for those who still do not get it.

Good grief, if we would all have to support every individual's crazy lunatic actions who supports a certain group or movement......

I can't even wrap my head around such thinking and assumption.

I support the police but am not blinded to those violent driven officers. I support BLM but that doesn't mean I support

violence. Why is that even an issue ?!

i honestly feel that the main reason why blm is scapegoated is because the media on the right has made it their agenda to silence them. it's bullying played out on the big screen as a means to dictate the national conversation on our clear problem with police brutality. they don't deviate from the talking point; support for blm equals support for cop killers. this talking point goes hand in hand with the 'obama has brought about the most racially tense years the us has ever seen!' shame and fear. definitely keeps away sympathetic ears.

of course, when steve king goes spouting white supremacy on television, like grand wizard dragon of modern day racism there was nothing. crickets. if i were republican i'd want to put than foul man down and disassociate publicly asap. i haven't really seen that happen.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

Yes, violence against police has declined. So have murders & violent crim committed with a gun. Yet both have been in the spotlight lately. Though both are getting better, neither is yet at a level that is healthy, IMHO (and, I suspect, in the opinion of most people here, including you).

You have tried to portray the #BLM "movement" as a positive thing on this forum, more than once. I respectfully disagree. There is nothing positive about them, save the concept of "less violence". Yet by their very actions, their group incites more violence, disrespect for the law (such as promoting and participating in riots, blocking roadways, etc. which is NOT assembling peacefully, BTW), chanting slogans against cops and calling for their murder, and talking about killing all whites. Just to name a few. Now, this may not have been their original premise, but by the time I became aware of them, this is what I saw. And I think it's ugly, and counter productive. It does nothing to bring harmony neither between people of different colors nor between blacks and the police. It has quite the opposite polar effect, in fact.

People who fight the police are idiots, period. Typically, the police have the law on their side. Don't resist, go along peacefully, and if you were treated wrongly, seek recourse after the fact. That's what lawyers and lawsuits are for. And yes, there are crooked and corrupt cops out there who use their shield as something to hide behind and persecute innocent people. But those are a minority, IMO. They are bullies who use their position to make themselves feel bigger than they feel about themselves, and they would be the same way no matter what profession they chose. But by and large, police officers protect us and try to maintain law and order. They are not the problem, the people who fight them are.

Lawyers can't help you when you are dead.

The disagreement is in you thinking the police brutality is in the minority and doesn't happen often. Unless you live under a rock

you can't really mean that. You think a few blacks being killed is not a good enough reason

to start a movement over. I beg to differ, the minority, the "few" with numbers growing, need a voice.

I agree that violence is very much counter productive and makes things worse.

BLM must continue to raise their peaceful intent to not only bring awareness but to bring about change.

BLM does not need to be contained or shut down, it needs better leadership to inspire in a non violent way.

When you oppress a people long enough don't be surprised of the consequences, it doesn't make it right but it makes it

a reality. Stop acting like a bully or 'the kid fights back' kind of thing is what will happen, no surprise there.

You are against divisiveness so why are you using the word THEM, THEY. Words are inflammatory, be specific. Them against us

is not a tool for future harmony, it is divisive.

Posting crazy violent videos to advance your agenda is nonsense. As earlier stated, filter whites being violent and

watch the same mess. What exactly will be solved by doing so ? Be part of the solution not part of the problem.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Police brutality, excessive use of force, of course it exists. But it is NOWHERE near the huge issue that it is portrayed by the media. In 2014, 1297 Americans were killed by police. In 2015, 1307. So far this year, 639, so it's on track to be about the same.

In 2014, 11,205,833 people were arrested. 1,297 were killed. That's 1/100th of 1 percent of the people being arrested ending up dead. And when you consider that the MAJORITY of those killed were (most likely) done so in the line of duty, no police brutality involved, that tiny number becomes way smaller. So no, I DON'T think there is a police brutality problem. In fact, one is 100 times more likely to have an accident at home than to be killed by police: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm

Don't wanna get dead? Don't fight the cops when asked to surrender. That would take care of probably 95% of all killings by police. But some people feel they have more to lose by going peacefully, therefore they opt to take their chance with fighting back. Bad choice, most often. Busted taillight? Go with the flow, get it fixed, move on. Got drugs in your car? Go with the flow, have your day in court, and move on. Just murdered someone, and have the knife, gun, and shovel in the trunk? Now you may have a valid reason to fight it out. But if you want to live, even if behind bars, don't fight.

As for BLM - from what I have seen of them thus far, they have a decent chance of ending up as the modern day KKK. And we all know how great THOSE folks made America...

[yuna628 9,676]

What happens if you don't struggle and don't fight but still end up shot by police?

http://gawker.com/video-shows-unarmed-black-man-pleading-with-arms-raised-1784004594

“And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me were, ‘I don’t know.’”

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

What happens if you don't struggle and don't fight but still end up shot by police?

http://gawker.com/video-shows-unarmed-black-man-pleading-with-arms-raised-1784004594

I just posted this as its own thread -- didn't see your comment.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I just posted this as its own thread -- didn't see your comment.

That's OK dear Cruz is speaking now I am sure your distracted and giddy