A Black Man Legally Carrying A Gun Was Wrongly Labeled A Suspect By Dallas Police

[smilesammich 10,727]

Downtown in any town in Texas. San Antonio or Houston in my case.

if that's your experience fine, but even in my little hick town we've had folks open carry 'patrolling' at certain times. it's not normal, they get in the paper, but i always thought they got in the paper because our paper is conservative and hate obama. so a guy who grabs his rifle and goes pacing in front of the national guard office to defend us since obama won't is a bit of a hometown hero who gets a talking to, only for scaring the school children on buses of course..

Edited July 8, 2016 by elitesthuglib

[Expat1 971]

i don't see struggling in the manner you're projecting.

so you're saying the cops were justified in holding him down and shooting him. i don't really have anything else to discuss with you if that's your interpretation of the law.

You may not like it but that is the law. Protests or not, these two cops are going to get off. Trying to roll over, trying to turn or raise your head when cops are pinning you is resisting and when your arm is moving around a gun and they cant pin you and you finally get shot it wont go your way. Edited July 8, 2016 by Expat1

[Expat1 971]

if that's your experience fine, but even in my little hick town we've had folks open carry 'patrolling' at certain times. it's not normal, they get in the paper, but i always thought they got in the paper because our paper is conservative and hate obama. so a guy who grabs his rifle and goes pacing in front of the national guard office to defend us since obama won't is a bit of a hometown hero who gets a talking to, only for scaring the school children on buses of course..

I never implied it is illegal, but I will stand by my statement that it is not normal.

[smilesammich 10,727]

You may not like it but that is the law. Protests or not, these two cops are going to get off.

sandwhich talk.

it is not the law, you're voicing your opinion of how you want the law applied. these two cops get off or if they are charged..the damage has been done and will continue.

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[smilesammich 10,727]

I never implied it is illegal, but I will stand by my statement that it is not normal.

not normal but not necessarily a reason to call in a swat team. it's normal for me to see a guy or a bunch of guys walking alongside the road with rifles on their backs during hunting season. it's not normal for me to go downtown and see a bunch of guys walking around with rifles on their backs but if i were to see it, i would probably assume they were some open carry group or reenactors. it's not normal but it isnt a cause for immediate alarm.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Except you have to tell a little bitty lie to yourself when you have to convince yourself this guy was "pinned to the ground for selling CD's" by cops on a call where dispatch said "urgent the guy selling CD's on the corner has a gun in his pocket that he just threatened someone with" and what do you know they pull the gun right out of his pocket where dispatch said it was

In most states mass murderers do eventually get taken down the hall and killed.

If the cops knew he was carrying a gun, why was there such a surprise when they found the gun on him? You could hear him scream GUN! as if he was unaware of it. Unless you can prove he was reaching for it(which by the video's take, it wasn't possible).

That's the difference. The court decides their fate. Cops don't get to kill you just because of prior history. If that's the case, like I said, every murderer in jail needs to be killed right now.

The guy in Dallas walking around with the assault rifle before someone opened up on the cops with an assault rifle was not blown up. He was checked out and released without a scratch.

The guy who was blown up had 6 hours to surrender and if he had he would be in jail.

John Crawford's fiance and family fully deserve their day in court. It is a shame on every single one of you who lump that decent man with a child molester and career criminal.

Yep, and they refused to clear him, which resulted in him now receiving death threats. Nice work!

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/08/dallas-police-shooting-man-wrongly-accused-of-being-gunman-receives-death-threats-5994190/

We've just seen two black men shot and killed for just moving. What makes you think he would have been spared after he just shot and killed police and civilians alike?

Everyone deserves their day in court. Unless you're saying that the law shouldn't be applied to those with less than savory backgrounds?

I am from Texas, born and raised there, and do not recall ever seeing anyone, black or white, openly toting an assault rifle downtown. It is definitely not "normal" to do so and though legal it is very odd. So this one guy stood out and black or white i believe the police had full rights to check him out. He was smart, turned it over right away, was cooperative, and was cleared and released without a scratch. Which is how it should be. The last guy (2015) who shot up the Dallas police station didnt get negotiators or 6 hours, Swat just took him out. But he was white.

Except he wasn't cleared. If they didn't kill the shooter, he'd still be considered the perp.

[Expat1 971]

sandwhich talk.

it is not the law, you're voicing your opinion of how you want the law applied. these two cops get off or if they are charged..the damage has been done and will continue.

Reality has nothing to do with what we want or do not want

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[smilesammich 10,727]

Reality has nothing to do with what we want or do not want

why do you guys constantly try to tell me about reality and not getting what i want? i swear i already have a father.

[Expat1 971]

If the cops knew he was carrying a gun, why was there such a surprise when they found the gun on him? You could hear him scream GUN! as if he was unaware of it. Unless you can prove he was reaching for it(which by the video's take, it wasn't possible).

That's the difference. The court decides their fate. Cops don't get to kill you just because of prior history. If that's the case, like I said, every murderer in jail needs to be killed right now.

Yep, and they refused to clear him, which resulted in him now receiving death threats. Nice work!

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/08/dallas-police-shooting-man-wrongly-accused-of-being-gunman-receives-death-threats-5994190/

We've just seen two black men shot and killed for just moving. What makes you think he would have been spared after he just shot and killed police and civilians alike?

Everyone deserves their day in court. Unless you're saying that the law shouldn't be applied to those with less than savory backgrounds?

Except he wasn't cleared. If they didn't kill the shooter, he'd still be considered the perp.

Dispatch is recorded and was released. They were dispatched to investigate a man selling CD's who threatened someone with a gun.

He was shot because of that gun but now you have to keep up that little bitty lie to yourself and claim he was shot "for moving"

why do you guys constantly try to tell me about reality and not getting what i want? i swear i already have a father.

We hope you never grow up Val

[smilesammich 10,727]

Dispatch is recorded and was released. They were dispatched to investigate a man selling CD's who threatened someone with a gun.

He was shot because of that gun but now you have to keep up that little bitty lie to yourself and claim he was shot "for moving"

nope. only your reasoning requires that little bitty lie.

[smilesammich 10,727]

We hope you never grow up Val

naw. i know what it is (things just are the way they are, musta got that way for a good enough reason huh, let's leave well enough alone..etcetc) dime a dozen, ya'll are.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Dispatch is recorded and was released. They were dispatched to investigate a man selling CD's who threatened someone with a gun.

He was shot because of that gun but now you have to keep up that little bitty lie to yourself and claim he was shot "for moving"

We hope you never grow up Val

Did he point the gun at the cops? Can't see how when he was pinned on the ground. And if he was shot for the gun, how come so many other shooters who actually murder cops get arrested without being killed?

[yuna628 9,676]

not normal but not necessarily a reason to call in a swat team. it's normal for me to see a guy or a bunch of guys walking alongside the road with rifles on their backs during hunting season. it's not normal for me to go downtown and see a bunch of guys walking around with rifles on their backs but if i were to see it, i would probably assume they were some open carry group or reenactors. it's not normal but it isnt a cause for immediate alarm.

The only persons who raised alarm about Mr Hughes carrying his rifle was an out-of-towner who was surprised, and confused, but took photos of him. They didn't feel the need to approach him or ask him why he was open-carrying either, but felt it very appropriate to immediately go to the media and discuss him. Out of all the people who saw him at the rally, none questioned his right to open carry his rifle. No one panicked or seemed alarmed at him carrying. If this had been in a location where open carry was not allowed or wasn't common, I feel there would have been a crowd of panic if they had spotted him. If carrying such a weapon is viewed suspiciously when it is his Constitutionally protected and lawfully protected right to do so, then it's clear some persons here have fallen into the narrative that it's only a right to do so in 'normal' situations... whatever those loose narratives of 'normal situations' may be. ;-)

I eagerly await the people coming out of the woodwork to apologize to this man... but I'm sure it will be more crickets chirping.

[smilesammich 10,727]

The only persons who raised alarm about Mr Hughes carrying his rifle was an out-of-towner who was surprised, and confused, but took photos of him. They didn't feel the need to approach him or ask him why he was open-carrying either, but felt it very appropriate to immediately go to the media and discuss him. Out of all the people who saw him at the rally, none questioned his right to open carry his rifle. No one panicked or seemed alarmed at him carrying. If this had been in a location where open carry was not allowed or wasn't common, I feel there would have been a crowd of panic if they had spotted him. If carrying such a weapon is viewed suspiciously when it is his Constitutionally protected and lawfully protected right to do so, then it's clear some persons here have fallen into the narrative that it's only a right to do so in 'normal' situations... whatever those loose narratives of 'normal situations' may be. ;-)

I eagerly await the people coming out of the woodwork to apologize to this man... but I'm sure it will be more crickets chirping.

i can't believe the police department appears to be trying to punish him and his family by not clearing him.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

i can't believe the police department appears to be trying to punish him and his family by not clearing him.

I can. You know if there was any sympathy for these two black guys at all that were shot and killed, it's been completely evaporated. This shooting has justified their deaths and any other deaths and mistreatment coming our way.