A Black Man Legally Carrying A Gun Was Wrongly Labeled A Suspect By Dallas Police

[smilesammich 10,727]

In 2015 unarmed black men made up what percentage of people killed by cops:

1) 4%

2) 14%

3) 24%

4) 34%

4) 44%

why should we be accepting of any percentage of unarmed individuals white or black being killed by cops? what is it that makes collateral damage acceptable to a taxpayer in community policing? the laws that are in place to prevent police from killing people during interactions are there to protect the police just as much as citizens. police officers are not meant to be executioners. when they act as executioners, the trust between the community and le breaks down. when that trust is gone - l.e cannot function as they are meant to in this country. so until the role of police in community changes in the us and we're truly in the middle of a police state, the laws of apprehension have to be applied equally. cops cannot be permitted to hold people down and fill them with bullets. i don't care if the person is a child molester, serial rapist, hannibal lecter, etc

[Expat1 971]

And there are tons of videos of white guys going to the cops and basically daring them to try and infringe on their rights to bear arms.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-law-allows-man-to-carry-loaded-assault-rifle-through-atlanta-airport-im-not-scaring-anybody-20150604-story.html

But then again, you'd be better served finding videos where white men with guns are shot and killed on video for carrying. I mean, right after Sandy Hook, a dude went into JC penny's with an assault rifle on his back, and somehow he survived. Funny how that works. I wonder if a black person can go in a store in Dallas after what has transpired and do the same thing.

Like the guy in Dallas who didnt get shot today? The deputy killer in New Orleans who didnt get shot a couple of weeks ago? Like those two?

[smilesammich 10,727]

Like the guy in Dallas who didnt get shot today? The deputy killer in New Orleans who didnt get shot a couple of weeks ago? Like those two?

are you suggesting all black interactions with police must end in that person being shot in order for victims of police violence to voice their concern? seems a bit preposterous.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

why should we be accepting of any percentage of unarmed individuals white or black being killed by cops? what is it that makes collateral damage acceptable to a taxpayer in community policing? the laws that are in place to prevent police from killing people during interactions are there to protect the police just as much as citizens. police officers are not meant to be executioners. when they act as executioners, the trust between the community and le breaks down. when that trust is gone - l.e cannot function as they are meant to in this country. so until the role of police in community changes in the us and we're truly in the middle of a police state, the laws of apprehension have to be applied equally. cops cannot be permitted to hold people down and fill them with bullets. i don't care if the person is a child molester, serial rapist, hannibal lecter, etc

This right here. But that's how they justify when they kill us. John Crawford III's fiancé was pretty much interrogated until she was crying for over 60 minutes just so they could find something to prove that he was guilty of a crime even before they killed him.

Like the guy in Dallas who didnt get shot today? The deputy killer in New Orleans who didnt get shot a couple of weeks ago? Like those two?

The guy in Dallas was blown up, right? Don't think that counts. And we're not talking about NO, now are we? Or do we need to just find one example to clear everything up?

[Expat1 971]

And this is why we can't have nice things.

The point is, and always will be, if you're being arrested, there are still rules to follow. His record has no bearing on him selling CD's and being pinned on the ground while being shot in the chest. Now, if you're going to use that logic, then EVERY SINGLE MASS SHOOTER that sits in jail right now should be taken outside and killed. Because those dudes murdered people, cops even, which I think have a bit more weight than Mr. Shelton's criminal history.

Except you have to tell a little bitty lie to yourself when you have to convince yourself this guy was "pinned to the ground for selling CD's" by cops on a call where dispatch said "urgent the guy selling CD's on the corner has a gun in his pocket that he just threatened someone with" and what do you know they pull the gun right out of his pocket where dispatch said it was

In most states mass murderers do eventually get taken down the hall and killed.

[Expat1 971]

This right here. But that's how they justify when they kill us. John Crawford III's fiancé was pretty much interrogated until she was crying for over 60 minutes just so they could find something to prove that he was guilty of a crime even before they killed him.

The guy in Dallas was blown up, right? Don't think that counts. And we're not talking about NO, now are we? Or do we need to just find one example to clear everything up?

The guy in Dallas walking around with the assault rifle before someone opened up on the cops with an assault rifle was not blown up. He was checked out and released without a scratch.

The guy who was blown up had 6 hours to surrender and if he had he would be in jail.

John Crawford's fiance and family fully deserve their day in court. It is a shame on every single one of you who lump that decent man with a child molester and career criminal.

Edited July 8, 2016 by Expat1

[smilesammich 10,727]

Except you have to tell a little bitty lie to yourself when you have to convince yourself this guy was "pinned to the ground for selling CD's" by cops on a call where dispatch said "urgent the guy selling CD's on the corner has a gun in his pocket that he just threatened someone with" and what do you know they pull the gun right out of his pocket where dispatch said it was

In most states mass murderers do eventually get taken down the hall and killed.

wait are you saying dispatch told the cops that he had a gun and they found it where they were told the gun was, but the cops were somehow surprised to find the gun and went into instinct mode out of defense and fired? not convincing.

in all states mass murderers have a right to trial.

[yuna628 9,744]

Like Sterling and Castile, Hughes was legally carrying a firearm

In the case of Sterling, with two previous gun charges, registered sex offender on the state website (diddling a 14-yr-old girl), and a conviction for domestic battery he had no business and no right to either possess or carry a gun under the VAWA.

He had a 20-yr unbroken history of crime up to his drug charges a month before he was shot for threatening someone with the gun that he has no business carrying.

I really take offense when liberals try to mold this man into some kind of victim because of his skin color. He threatened someone with a deadly weapon and got shot while the cops were trying to take him down for doing it. Good riddance.

As to the guy in MInnesota, that looks like a flat out case of murder and the sooner they convene the grand jury the better.

As for Hughes, do you seriously believe it is unreasonable to want to question a man dressed like this and walking around like this with an assault rifle right before someone opened up and started shooting police officers with an assault rifle? He was questioned, cleared, and let go.

It does and is doing the black community no good at all to lump every interaction with every black person equally

It's all well and good to say this. But as Texas is an open carry state, the sight of seeing someone carrying a rifle as this is apparently normal. A few witnesses not from the area, did not report him because they were not sure if it was ''normal or not'' but ''guessed that it was acceptable for him to be doing so''. In states that don't have such laws, the public would immediately be alarmed at a person holding a gun like this no matter what race they were. Despite this, Mr Hughes counters that he was certainly law-abiding and turned his gun in. In return he also says the police behaved belligerently towards him and accused him of committing the crime, and lied saying they had caught him on video. He received no apology from the DPD, no apology from the news media, and for over an hour the news media called him the shooter, a racist, and a criminal. His photo will now be that of public record and memory, portrayed as not a law-abiding gun owner exercising his rights at a peaceful rally, but of an angry black man suspiciously armed at a rally. People will question why he took his gun to the rally in the first place. He has received death threats as well. BTW, a gun rights group has been using his photo in a meme, using him as an example of a law-abiding gun owner ''see guns don't kill people!" the nice meme doesn't tell the public the full story about how he was actually treated.

Rubbish. I can find a ton of videos on youtube of white guys carrying around rifles getting stopped and hassled by police.

I think you would find videos of black persons being hassled by police outweigh those instances.

1. 4%.

2. My turn, why don't you find 2 videos of white men being shot by the police for just being armed. Bonus points if you can find one where a white man is shot right in front of his SO with child present. I'll wait...

There is a recent case of an unarmed white kid being shot by police. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-video-shooting-dylan-noble-20160707-snap-story.html This seems to be a rare one to me at least.

Edited July 8, 2016 by yuna628

[Expat1 971]

wait are you saying dispatch told the cops that he had a gun and they found it where they were told the gun was, but the cops were somehow surprised to find the gun and went into instinct mode out of defense and fired? not convincing.

in all states mass murderers have a right to trial.

If they dont allow themselves to be arrested they dont get to exercise that right. In any state.

I already posted the dispatch call once. Why dont you go to the WAFB Baton Rouge website and listen to it yourself. If you're accent-challenged they typed it up so it is easy to follow who said what before the officers ever arrived.

I'll guarantee you they arrived expecting that gun and you can see the guy rolling around and struggling with the officers. They never had him fully pinned and he never stopped struggling. On either tape. Thats another lie you're tellng yourselves.

Edited July 8, 2016 by Expat1

[smilesammich 10,727]

If they dont allow themselves to be arrested they dont get to exercise that right. In any state.

I already posted the dispatch call once. Why dont you go to the WAFB Baton Rouge website and listen to it yourself. If you're accent-challenged they typed it up so it is easy to follow who said what before the officers ever arrived.

I'll guarantee you they arrived expecting that gun and you can see the guy rolling around and struggling with the officers.

i don't see struggling in the manner you're projecting.

so you're saying the cops were justified in holding him down and shooting him. i don't really have anything else to discuss with you if that's your interpretation of the law.

[Expat1 971]

It's all well and good to say this. But as Texas is an open carry state, the sight of seeing someone carrying a rifle as this is apparently normal. A few witnesses not from the area, did not report him because they were not sure if it was ''normal or not'' but ''guessed that it was acceptable for him to be doing so''. In states that don't have such laws, the public would immediately be alarmed at a person holding a gun like this no matter what race they were. Despite this, Mr Hughes counters that he was certainly law-abiding and turned his gun in. In return he also says the police behaved belligerently towards him and accused him of committing the crime, and lied saying they had caught him on video. He received no apology from the DPD, no apology from the news media, and for over an hour the news media called him the shooter, a racist, and a criminal. His photo will now be that of public record and memory, portrayed as not a law-abiding gun owner exercising his rights at a peaceful rally, but of an angry black man suspiciously armed at a rally. People will question why he took his gun to the rally in the first place. He has received death threats as well. BTW, a gun rights group has been using his photo in a meme, using him as an example of a law-abiding gun owner ''see guns don't kill people!" the nice meme doesn't tell the public the full story about how he was actually treated.

I think you would find videos of black persons being hassled by police outweigh those instances.

There is a recent case of an unarmed white kid being shot by police. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-video-shooting-dylan-noble-20160707-snap-story.html This seems to be a rare one to me at least.

I am from Texas, born and raised there, and do not recall ever seeing anyone, black or white, openly toting an assault rifle downtown. It is definitely not "normal" to do so and though legal it is very odd. So this one guy stood out and black or white i believe the police had full rights to check him out. He was smart, turned it over right away, was cooperative, and was cleared and released without a scratch. Which is how it should be. The last guy (2015) who shot up the Dallas police station didnt get negotiators or 6 hours, Swat just took him out. But he was white. Edited July 8, 2016 by Expat1

[smilesammich 10,727]

I am from Texas, born and raised there, and do not recall ever seeing anyone, black or white, openly toting an assault rifle downtown. It is definitely not "normal" to do so.

downtown....texas?

texas is a big place.

[yuna628 9,744]

I am from Texas, born and raised there, and do not recall ever seeing anyone, black or white, openly toting an assault rifle downtown. It is definitely not "normal" to do so.

So you don't consider Mr Hughes exercising his right to do so in this manner as normal? If the law allows for this action to be normal then it is normal, whether you commonly see it or not. You can easily look online and see hundreds of photos of persons in Texas openly carrying rifles (and articles about it) as Mr Hughes was.

[Expat1 971]

downtown....texas?

texas is a big place.

Downtown in any town in Texas. San Antonio or Houston in my case.

[Expat1 971]

So you don't consider Mr Hughes exercising his right to do so in this manner as normal? If the law allows for this action to be normal then it is normal, whether you commonly see it or not. You can easily look online and see hundreds of photos of persons in Texas openly carrying rifles (and articles about it) as Mr Hughes was.

Mr Hughes was unbothered while exercising his right however his open carrying of an assault rifle as part of a protest against police in the context of an active shooter targeting police definitely made him a person of interest.

To answer your first question I personally think it is stupid, not normal, to protest police carrying a rifle. This coming from someone who owns a roomful of them.

Edited July 8, 2016 by Expat1