Woman live-streams aftermath of fatal officer-involved shooting

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Interesting how? Do you think that every time a cop stops someone, that someone is actually a thug who deserves to get shot? I don't. Hence I said sometimes. Sometimes, they stop thugs. Most often, that is not the case. Often, it is "normal" citizens such as you and I, who either broke a minor law or had a tail light truly burned out, and nothing bad comes from the event. (Except maybe one has to pay a fine for breaking said minor law).

I am focusing on your opinions and beliefs because you keep airing them on here. So they are public knowledge, and open for public comment. That's exactly what this forum is about, isn't it? Sharing our opinions? Actually, I DON'T understand them very well, because often they run contrary to what I know to be the reality that I live in. Foreign, if you will. Not saying you are wrong, just saying your life experience has brought you to a conclusion that mine has not. We see things from a different perspective because of our past experience. Sometimes, we form wrong opinions because of a (or several) bad things that happen to or around us.

I have never been treated badly by a black person. Therefore, I don't go around thinking bad things about blacks. I have never been mistreated by the cops. So I hold a higher opinion of them than some on here seem to hold. I have never carried a concealed firearm on my person, though I am licensed to do so, and love the fact that I am allowed to if I so choose. I appreciate the freedoms we have in the US. Your right to express your opinion. Mine for mine. And though I don't always agree with what people on here say, even though sometimes I think things that are said are WAY out of line, or way beyond the scope of what is "normal", it has opened my eyes to what other perceive as their reality. Which sometimes is vastly different from mine. So the question one should ask is... "What happened in Val's life to make her feel this way, as opposed to my life experience that has made me feel this way", as regards trying to understand the differences of opinion. Maybe if I lived in your shoes for a while, I would feel more like you do. IDK, and maybe never will, because I cannot live in your shoes. But if it opens my mind, even a little, to the idea that other folks have had a harder/different time than me growing up, and helps me to be less judgmental and more understanding of others, then I have grown from the experience.

At the end of the day, we are all the same. Made of clay/flesh/bloody ashes... Whatever you wish to call it. We are born innocent, we learn what we are taught. I was taught to respect my elders, that I am no better than anyone else, that skin color does not matter, that I should obey the law, and that I can be anything I set my mind to become. I am human. I make mistakes. I do well sometimes. I help others when they need it. I am hard-headed at times, but when I calmly listen to others, I see a different slant to a situation that I alone may not have come to.

I have no idea why I typed all of that. Only that of course I don't understand your opinions better than you do. No one ever could. But I DO read them, and try to see what lies beneath. Try to apply my experiences to your ideas and see how they match. They don't always. But again, it reminds me that at the core, we are all the same, but on the outside, we are all different. How we feel and act is often based on our experiences, our reality. And sometimes, that sucks. Other times, it's great. But it all goes into the blender to make that shake that is US.

interesting use of the word "sometimes". lol.

and try not to focus on my opinions and beliefs as if you understand them better than i do. you don't

[smilesammich 10,727]

Interesting how? Do you think that every time a cop stops someone, that someone is actually a thug who deserves to get shot? I don't. Hence I said sometimes. Sometimes, they stop thugs. Most often, that is not the case. Often, it is "normal" citizens such as you and I, who either broke a minor law or had a tail light truly burned out, and nothing bad comes from the event. (Except maybe one has to pay a fine for breaking said minor law).

I am focusing on your opinions and beliefs because you keep airing them on here. So they are public knowledge, and open for public comment. That's exactly what this forum is about, isn't it? Sharing our opinions? Actually, I DON'T understand them very well, because often they run contrary to what I know to be the reality that I live in. Foreign, if you will. Not saying you are wrong, just saying your life experience has brought you to a conclusion that mine has not. We see things from a different perspective because of our past experience. Sometimes, we form wrong opinions because of a (or several) bad things that happen to or around us.

I have never been treated badly by a black person. Therefore, I don't go around thinking bad things about blacks. I have never been mistreated by the cops. So I hold a higher opinion of them than some on here seem to hold. I have never carried a concealed firearm on my person, though I am licensed to do so, and love the fact that I am allowed to if I so choose. I appreciate the freedoms we have in the US. Your right to express your opinion. Mine for mine. And though I don't always agree with what people on here say, even though sometimes I think things that are said are WAY out of line, or way beyond the scope of what is "normal", it has opened my eyes to what other perceive as their reality. Which sometimes is vastly different from mine. So the question one should ask is... "What happened in Val's life to make her feel this way, as opposed to my life experience that has made me feel this way", as regards trying to understand the differences of opinion. Maybe if I lived in your shoes for a while, I would feel more like you do. IDK, and maybe never will, because I cannot live in your shoes. But if it opens my mind, even a little, to the idea that other folks have had a harder/different time than me growing up, and helps me to be less judgmental and more understanding of others, then I have grown from the experience.

At the end of the day, we are all the same. Made of clay/flesh/bloody ashes... Whatever you wish to call it. We are born innocent, we learn what we are taught. I was taught to respect my elders, that I am no better than anyone else, that skin color does not matter, that I should obey the law, and that I can be anything I set my mind to become. I am human. I make mistakes. I do well sometimes. I help others when they need it. I am hard-headed at times, but when I calmly listen to others, I see a different slant to a situation that I alone may not have come to.

I have no idea why I typed all of that. Only that of course I don't understand your opinions better than you do. No one ever could. But I DO read them, and try to see what lies beneath. Try to apply my experiences to your ideas and see how they match. They don't always. But again, it reminds me that at the core, we are all the same, but on the outside, we are all different. How we feel and act is often based on our experiences, our reality. And sometimes, that sucks. Other times, it's great. But it all goes into the blender to make that shake that is US.

you had said that i can't deal with the fact that sometimes victims are perpetrators. that i want all people shot to be victims, when you believe that those shot by the police aren't normally victims. that is inaccurate simply because it's nothing but generalizations and projection. so, in order for me to discuss - i have to defend an argument that isn't even mine. it's frustrating. i do put my opinions out there for the sake of discussion but i see no benefit in distorting your opinions for the sake of argument.

i opened this thread telling yall to dig up your dirt on the victim because that's how these things play out. not because i live in fairy liberal land. i live in the same reality you do, and it's a reality where people are in jeopardy of loosing their lives over traffic stops.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

There is always more to the story.it's always the same drill. News media incites.Usual suspects express outrage. People loot burn and kill cops.

Then the rest of the story comes out. Meanwhile the lowest common denominations of society are made martyrs for the next generation to emulate

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

I have been stopped a few times in my life by cops. Mostly while driving. Mostly while breaking the law. But in EVERY case, I complied with what I was told to do, and no one has even drawn a gun on me. Even if it felt silly, or even if it made me feel like more of a criminal than I was acting. But I believe I never had a gun pulled on me NOT because of the color of my skin, but because I know how to act when stopped, and am very sure to show the cops I am doing nothing to worry them. I move slowly. Same way I do with a stray cat or dog, so as not to startle them.

WHY do cops go to extreme measure so quickly? Because in some cases, if they do not, then they get dead. Or at least injured. They are conditioned to expect the worst, because many times, the worst happens to them, much more so than to us, the average citizen.

Yes, innocent people, true victims, get shot by cops. And that is a terrible thing, no doubt about it. But with me, my sympathy lies with the police, until proven otherwise. With you, from reading your public responses here, you are very quick to jump on the "bad cop, poor victim" bandwagon. Sometimes, too quickly. Heck, we all do it, at times. I know I did with the Alton shooting. I felt true anger towards those cops when I first watched the video but as time passes, I begin to see why they MAY have been justified in using deadly force. Still a bit premature to judge 100%. If they DID use it wrongly, then I will be one of the first to cheer when they are prosecuted. But consider this... In the heat of the moment, what if it's really a GOOD cop, he really wants nothing more than to calm someone down, maybe arrest the guy, but in the heat of the moment, a gun is even THOUGHT to be pulled, or in the hand of a guy he is fighting with. In the back of his mind, for a split second, goes the thought, "ONE OF US IS ABOUT TO DIE". Which would YOU do, Val? Relax, sit back, and see what unfolds? Or react instinctively, as your training has taught you, and pull your gun to protect yourself? Say what you will (anyone, not just Val), but when YOUR life is on the line, for reals Dawg, suddenly you will find an uncontrollable urge to LIVE. Trust me on this. Or, if you prefer.... Believe Me.

[smilesammich 10,727]

I have been stopped a few times in my life by cops. Mostly while driving. Mostly while breaking the law. But in EVERY case, I complied with what I was told to do, and no one has even drawn a gun on me. Even if it felt silly, or even if it made me feel like more of a criminal than I was acting. But I believe I never had a gun pulled on me NOT because of the color of my skin, but because I know how to act when stopped, and am very sure to show the cops I am doing nothing to worry them. I move slowly. Same way I do with a stray cat or dog, so as not to startle them.

WHY do cops go to extreme measure so quickly? Because in some cases, if they do not, then they get dead. Or at least injured. They are conditioned to expect the worst, because many times, the worst happens to them, much more so than to us, the average citizen.

Yes, innocent people, true victims, get shot by cops. And that is a terrible thing, no doubt about it. But with me, my sympathy lies with the police, until proven otherwise. With you, from reading your public responses here, you are very quick to jump on the "bad cop, poor victim" bandwagon. Sometimes, too quickly. Heck, we all do it, at times. I know I did with the Alton shooting. I felt true anger towards those cops when I first watched the video but as time passes, I begin to see why they MAY have been justified in using deadly force. Still a bit premature to judge 100%. If they DID use it wrongly, then I will be one of the first to cheer when they are prosecuted. But consider this... In the heat of the moment, what if it's really a GOOD cop, he really wants nothing more than to calm someone down, maybe arrest the guy, but in the heat of the moment, a gun is even THOUGHT to be pulled, or in the hand of a guy he is fighting with. In the back of his mind, for a split second, goes the thought, "ONE OF US IS ABOUT TO DIE". Which would YOU do, Val? Relax, sit back, and see what unfolds? Or react instinctively, as your training has taught you, and pull your gun to protect yourself? Say what you will (anyone, not just Val), but when YOUR life is on the line, for reals Dawg, suddenly you will find an uncontrollable urge to LIVE. Trust me on this. Or, if you prefer.... Believe Me.

you and i have a very different view of what constitutes excessive force. that's the constant, besides your take that your interactions with law enforcement weren't deadly because you know how to handle yourself. that's you're take and its all yours to make because it's your experience. no one lived through those stops but you and the cops involved.other people have had vastly different experiences. some process those experiences differently. i definitely see where my interactions w/ police were different than those of black friends/family.thing is you don't get to apply your take, of your personal experience and apply it across the board to everyone else.. well. you can, because you just did but it's not in any way going to solve conflict as complex as what's going on right now. and the conflict, imo isn't white and black people hating each other. most reasonable people are acutely aware that we can only resolve this together, making attempts to listen and accept other people's experiences without invalidating them because they don't align with our own.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

How come he can't apply his experiences across the board but you can your black friends.

Just saying

[smilesammich 10,727]

How come he can't apply his experiences across the board but you can your black friends.

Just saying

i don't understand, how do i apply my experiences to my black friends

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Some video stats for you to ponder:

[cdneh 3,112]

Well Dolly with her video turns out not to be a credible witness. Imagine that.

[smilesammich 10,727]

link?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Care to elaborate? Who is Dolly? Parton?

Well Dolly with her video turns out not to be a credible witness. Imagine that.

[cdneh 3,112]

Google her. There are several. She's a bit of a fan of Facebook Live it seems. I particularly enjoyed the 4th July footage. The one where she's smoking dope, filming her crotch and her backside, making fish lips, all this with her small daughter in the rear seat.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Well that won't work well for her legal team.

All very biblical ...Castile had to die for Dolly's sins.....

[smilesammich 10,727]

oh wow, that's relevant. lol.

[Expat1 971]

The COP is latino

Latinos who kill black people are white as per the Zimmerman case