Woman live-streams aftermath of fatal officer-involved shooting

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Marvin wanted me to stop by and condemn the cop. Assuming everything happened as told the scum cop is hereby officially NB condemned.

I hope we all unite to stop this kind of thing. Of course he was a decent hard working family man, with a gun permit. I doubt there will be looting or a monument

[GandD 5,966]

Just couldn't resist huh?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Just couldn't resist huh?

I was sincere for the most part. The last part was just good old fashioned kicking the pot,

Just couldn't resist huh?

I was sincere for the most part. The last part was just good old fashioned kicking the pot,

[yuna628 9,744]

By all accounts this individual was hardworking and very beloved by those he helped feed every day at the school cafeteria. Like many of you on this forum that owned a gun, he had a permit, and broke no law in doing so.

I hope that all those law abiding gun owners that believe in the 2nd amendment will stand up and assist this man's family, as they look for justice.

I hope that this officer will be barred from ever having a badge ever again.

People that hold the 2nd amendment so dearly should be outraged about this case. It's an amendment that transcends race, as it allows anyone to legally carry regardless of their race. That at any moment their right to carry a gun could also result in the police killing them for no justifiable reason. If you don't want to start thinking about it on racial terms, then think about it in other ways you can comprehend. Don't think about it in terms of ''well it never should happen to me because I'm not black'' and start thinking about it in ''it could actually happen because I own a gun and carry it in my car''. Start thinking about it in terms of holding police accountable for their actions.

[Expat1 971]

By all accounts this individual was hardworking and very beloved by those he helped feed every day at the school cafeteria. Like many of you on this forum that owned a gun, he had a permit, and broke no law in doing so.

I hope that all those law abiding gun owners that believe in the 2nd amendment will stand up and assist this man's family, as they look for justice.

I hope that this officer will be barred from ever having a badge ever again.

People that hold the 2nd amendment so dearly should be outraged about this case. It's an amendment that transcends race, as it allows anyone to legally carry regardless of their race. That at any moment their right to carry a gun could also result in the police killing them for no justifiable reason. If you don't want to start thinking about it on racial terms, then think about it in other ways you can comprehend. Don't think about it in terms of ''well it never should happen to me because I'm not black'' and start thinking about it in ''it could actually happen because I own a gun and carry it in my car''. Start thinking about it in terms of holding police accountable for their actions.

Well said and you are right

[OriZ 3,157]

Clearly, a highly incompetent cop.

However, vast difference between incompetence and race based execution.

The cop told him not to reach for it. Even if it's just your wallet, if you're told not to reach for it don't reach for it.

[gpiper 77]

We don't know the full facts of the case. I believe the girlfriend said he reached fir his wallet because the officer requested to see his ID so how can you comply to both? Do as your told abd produce ID abd at the same time do not reach for your wallet.

I'm no psychologist but from the intonation in the officers voice he seemed very agitated, yes adrenaline no doubt would be coursing through his veins but he certainly from the speech alone seem like he was in full control.

Before anyone says "put yourself in his shoes"... Just remember he has trained for scenarios like this and probably for many months too.

Was he wearing a bodycam? If so that will give an account as to what lead up to the firing of his gun, unfortunate if like the other night it "slipped off" during the altercation.

Things won't change now, it's been like this for decades. The difference now compared to the 80's is mobile phones capture these heinous acts.

Nobody should be proud of these officers laying down their lives on a daily basis as I would suspect the vast majority will not come under the line of fire over the course of their careers in law enforcement.

Police departments can unfortunately recruit thugs / criminals without knowing it (what I mean some have the propensity to commit unlawful acts... Bribery... Corruption... Rape etc etc) statistics will tell you that you are bound to recruit the odd bad apple, it's just what kind of damage can that bad apple do.

No way should these 3 officers involved be allowed to hide behind their badges to legitimise these public executions as that's what they were. I hope they face the full consequences of their actions and allow a jury to decide innocence or guilt... for me I know what my answer is and it disgusts me that st least the one in Minnesota is currently off on paid leave!!

[yuna628 9,744]

OriZ, by the gf's account, and it is her account of course (but because of her calm and respectful manner towards the officer in the face of the traumatizing the brutal murder of her bf I would err on the side of her account as both being honest and having the graceful dignity of some sainthood at this point) - the officer requested for his ID etc. As he reached for this, it is unclear if this is the moment he shared to the officer about his gun ownership. It is supposed to be the method of procedure to inform the officer first.

From a personal standpoint a few weeks ago a friend of mine, who carries in the same way, was in an accident. She had children in the vehicle with her and was slightly injured and very distressed. In her distress she had completely forgotten to tell the officer about her carrying and was then terrified of informing him of her mistake when she remembered as she gathered her other documents. The officer was taken aback and kind of grouchy, but he never once did he draw his own weapon.

There are many situations in which protocol may not be followed to the letter. I'm sure most persons carrying a weapon in this manner try their best to comply 'correctly', but the officer should account for different scenarios in their training. I won't get into it on race with you, because we won't agree here. But she was equally disturbed by this, really got her thinking as a gun owner.

[OriZ 3,157]

OriZ, by the gf's account, and it is her account of course (but because of her calm and respectful manner towards the officer in the face of the traumatizing the brutal murder of her bf I would err on the side of her account as both being honest and having the graceful dignity of some sainthood at this point) - the officer requested for his ID etc. As he reached for this, it is unclear if this is the moment he shared to the officer about his gun ownership. It is supposed to be the method of procedure to inform the officer first.

From a personal standpoint a few weeks ago a friend of mine, who carries in the same way, was in an accident. She had children in the vehicle with her and was slightly injured and very distressed. In her distress she had completely forgotten to tell the officer about her carrying and was then terrified of informing him of her mistake when she remembered as she gathered her other documents. The officer was taken aback and kind of grouchy, but he never once did he draw his own weapon.

There are many situations in which protocol may not be followed to the letter. I'm sure most persons carrying a weapon in this manner try their best to comply 'correctly', but the officer should account for different scenarios in their training. I won't get into it on race with you, because we won't agree here. But she was equally disturbed by this, really got her thinking as a gun owner.

From what I managed to gather BOTH from what the gf herself said, as well as the video she streamed(both In the link val posted) - he was asked for an ID. At that point he did not tell the officer yet that he had a weapon on him. Only as he was reaching was that done. Once he told him that, the officer told him to not reach and to take his hands off. Whether or not he had enough time to actually do as he was told before he was shot or not we'll never know I guess. To me the officer does not sound in control at all. Again, very incompetent, and tragic situation - but I don't see the race card here.

Speaking of personal experiences, I've been pulled over plenty of times here in VT...possibly a dozen. I just drive alot(120,000 miles in just under 3 years) so there's more than goes wrong more often so several headlights, tail lights, break lights, etc. Officers here always ask you if you have a weapon - that's one of the FIRST things they do, before they even let you reach for anything. That way there's no way you just forgot to tell them or whatever. Shooting at them here is so rare though that they usually don't really care what you do. I personally always reach for my pockets and/or glovebox before They even approach the car. My hand was stuck in my pocket this one time and I had a trooper already by my window he just calmly knocked on the window for me to roll it down, not sure his hand was even on his weapon. However, in other places where more stress is put on those cops(yes I know they are trained to deal with it but it still takes its toll on you), it's hard to judge how they would react to similar situations. Needless to say I don't believe a black person here would have been treated any different.

[yuna628 9,744]

From what I managed to gather BOTH from what the gf herself said, as well as the video she streamed(both In the link val posted) - he was asked for an ID. At that point he did not tell the officer yet that he had a weapon on him. Only as he was reaching was that done. Once he told him that, the officer told him to not reach and to take his hands off. Whether or not he had enough time to actually do as he was told before he was shot or not we'll never know I guess. To me the officer does not sound in control at all. Again, very incompetent, and tragic situation - but I don't see the race card here.

Speaking of personal experiences, I've been pulled over plenty of times here in VT...possibly a dozen. I just drive alot(120,000 miles in just under 3 years) so there's more than goes wrong more often so several headlights, tail lights, break lights, etc. Officers here always ask you if you have a weapon - that's one of the FIRST things they do, before they even let you reach for anything. That way there's no way you just forgot to tell them or whatever. Shooting at them here is so rare though that they usually don't really care what you do. I personally always reach for my pockets and/or glovebox before They even approach the car. My hand was stuck in my pocket this one time and I had a trooper already by my window he just calmly knocked on the window for me to roll it down, not sure his hand was even on his weapon. However, in other places where more stress is put on those cops(yes I know they are trained to deal with it but it still takes its toll on you), it's hard to judge how they would react to similar situations. Needless to say I don't believe a black person here would have been treated any different.

Guess we should all move to VT, a unique state where cops hopefully don't shoot you for carrying, no one ever forgets anything, and an officer always asks if yer' packin'.

[OriZ 3,157]

Guess we should all move to VT, a unique state where cops hopefully don't shoot you for carrying, no one ever forgets anything, and an officer always asks if yer' packin'.

Well, I never said no one ever forgets anything, but the other two are true.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

By all accounts this individual was hardworking and very beloved by those he helped feed every day at the school cafeteria. Like many of you on this forum that owned a gun, he had a permit, and broke no law in doing so.

I hope that all those law abiding gun owners that believe in the 2nd amendment will stand up and assist this man's family, as they look for justice.

I hope that this officer will be barred from ever having a badge ever again.

People that hold the 2nd amendment so dearly should be outraged about this case. It's an amendment that transcends race, as it allows anyone to legally carry regardless of their race. That at any moment their right to carry a gun could also result in the police killing them for no justifiable reason. If you don't want to start thinking about it on racial terms, then think about it in other ways you can comprehend. Don't think about it in terms of ''well it never should happen to me because I'm not black'' and start thinking about it in ''it could actually happen because I own a gun and carry it in my car''. Start thinking about it in terms of holding police accountable for their actions.

I have not seen a single post that disagreed with any of this.

By all accounts this individual was hardworking and very beloved by those he helped feed every day at the school cafeteria. Like many of you on this forum that owned a gun, he had a permit, and broke no law in doing so.

I hope that all those law abiding gun owners that believe in the 2nd amendment will stand up and assist this man's family, as they look for justice.

I hope that this officer will be barred from ever having a badge ever again.

People that hold the 2nd amendment so dearly should be outraged about this case. It's an amendment that transcends race, as it allows anyone to legally carry regardless of their race. That at any moment their right to carry a gun could also result in the police killing them for no justifiable reason. If you don't want to start thinking about it on racial terms, then think about it in other ways you can comprehend. Don't think about it in terms of ''well it never should happen to me because I'm not black'' and start thinking about it in ''it could actually happen because I own a gun and carry it in my car''. Start thinking about it in terms of holding police accountable for their actions.

I have not seen a single post that disagreed with any of this.

[Expat1 971]

I have not seen a single post that disagreed with any of this.

I have not seen a single post that disagreed with any of this.

I didn't catch that. Could you repeat it please?

[smilesammich 10,727]

Clearly, a highly incompetent cop.

However, vast difference between incompetence and race based execution.

The cop told him not to reach for it. Even if it's just your wallet, if you're told not to reach for it don't reach for it.

[Jacque67 7,328]

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