Dad of 14 sick of Britain

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This isn't exactly a typical family set up....

[keltic 1]

When you compare this to politicians wages etc it is a drop in the ocean. How many kids does Blair have? and how many rooms do they have each? The same goes for the opposition(sorry i forget the names of politicians).

The big problem is the state and it is not a left right red blue issue. It is not immigrants or even chavs. The problem are those at the top who do not create a society of equality. They do not even try to. Sure this guy has many negative points but i don`t think people, on the whole, aspire to be on benefit. I think many girls(chavs if you like) simply have low expectations of life. They meet a guy and have kids. They don`t decide whether to take that job and travel the world because it is no there for them.

The man has some good qualities i would say. A large family has it`s appeal and whilst you might not agree with his values and don`t believe he should get benefits. You should perhaps look at the root cause of this rather than just suggesting extreme measures. I know these calls for castration and vasectomy etc may be slightly throw away and comedic but on a serious note i think that is the wrong approach, and a barbaric one at that.

p.s. what is a chop ######?

the politics of wage differences are a totally different issue from the overall... and should be debated seperately...

the problem is boils down to responsibility... i didnt have a child until i knew i could take care of her... and i didnt do that by having abortions until such time or abstaining until such time... its RESPONSIBILITY... take simple measures to prevent becoming pregnant until you can be a responsible parent and provide for your child(ren)... we all want things in life... it doesnt mean we can just get them at others expense... what is that man doing to help provide for someone elses desires or dreams of having a big family?

and what about the children... did he stop and take the time to see if he would be able to bring any kind of quality to their future lives before helping to create them? or was he selfish and only cared about getting his rocks of when and where he wants with whomever he wants, regardless of the consequences? how is THAT fair to those children?

i have no sympathy for someone who flagrantly abuses rights and responsibilities

[yabasta 0]

Well wage differences is part of this. I am not saying responsibility does not come into play aswell but people are a product of their environment as much as anything and wages etc have a big part to play in that. The place you live effects how responsible you are likely to behave. It is basic sociology. Things are linked and so you can`t always box each topic up neatly. Sorry about that but it is true. You have to see what causes various things and then see how they came about. Follow the trail back.

You did x y and Z because of your upbringing which was ,in part, down to your background and that is effected by money in modern life.

[Lou Lou 1]

I guess I'm most shocked that people admit to reading The Sun

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well wage differences is part of this. I am not saying responsibility does not come into play aswell but people are a product of their environment as much as anything and wages etc have a big part to play in that. The place you live effects how responsible you are likely to behave. It is basic sociology. Things are linked and so you can`t always box each topic up neatly. Sorry about that but it is true. You have to see what causes various things and then see how they came about. Follow the trail back.

You did x y and Z because of your upbringing which was ,in part, down to your background and that is effected by money in modern life.

That's debateable - there are exceptions to every rule. Not every black kid who grows up in an inner city ghetto turns into a drug dealing gang-banger.

Certainly the odds are rather more stacked against a kid living in a single parent home in Compton, attending a piss-poor public school, compared with a kid from Beverly Hills whos parents are millionaires. Your circumstances to some extent dictate your opportunities, but that's not to say that a persons life is an entirely passive affair - flitting from one social/pyschological influence to the next.

Free will comes into that equation somewhere. People are not always a product of their background - that's not to say it isn't an influence.

Edited July 8, 2006 by Fishdude

[Veiled Princess 1]

This guy should be happy he has a home! Yeah I bet it's cramped but it's better than a box on the street! People kill me with their incessant whining. If you can't take care of them stop getting women pregnant! And moving more in to boot. There are children whose families can't afford to FEED them and this guys worried his house isn't big enough?

[keltic 1]

Well wage differences is part of this. I am not saying responsibility does not come into play aswell but people are a product of their environment as much as anything and wages etc have a big part to play in that. The place you live effects how responsible you are likely to behave. It is basic sociology. Things are linked and so you can`t always box each topic up neatly. Sorry about that but it is true. You have to see what causes various things and then see how they came about. Follow the trail back.

You did x y and Z because of your upbringing which was ,in part, down to your background and that is effected by money in modern life.

ppl are not slaves to their environment... my mom was one of 6 kids born to small town farmers... they had very little money, yet she aspired to have more... she worked her ### off... she moved away with my father, who left her just a few months after i arrived... she could have just gone for public assistance, but she worked harder... she provided for me... because she is a responsible person... it didnt have to do with how much money was around her as she grew up

she married again when i was still young, but still they struggled for a while until they were able to buy a house... and THEN they had a child... imagine that... waiting... crazy, innit?

i was the first in my mom's side of the family to go to college... i worked my ### off (4 different jobs, 80 hrs/week) while going to full time classes... but i made it...

and i was determined to make sure that i finished college and had a job before i had a child

responsibility

money affects us all, sure... but lack of it doesnt mean its ok to be irresponsible

[yabasta 0]

That's debateable

Well yes it is and so are most things. As i said it had as much influence as anything else. I didn`t state that all poor people were destined to be one way.

there are exceptions to every rule.

Yes i totally agree with you there but if this guy had grown up in another time and place he would i imagine be different in at least some ways.

Free will comes into that equation somewhere. People are not always a product of their background - that's not to say it isn't an influence.

Well in a way yes but people are always effected by their background even if they make an effort to be totally different that is still because of that background in part at least.

Edited July 8, 2006 by yabasta

[yabasta 0]

ppl are not slaves to their environment... my mom was one of 6 kids born to small town farmers... they had very little money, yet she aspired to have more... she worked her ### off... she moved away with my father, who left her just a few months after i arrived... she could have just gone for public assistance, but she worked harder... she provided for me... because she is a responsible person... it didnt have to do with how much money was around her as she grew up

Well environment is not just money and i didn`t say all people who are poor are going to be one particular way. Hats off to your mum of course but you need to look deep into all aspects of people`s upbringing and the place they grow up. Who and what influences their development and how do they learn about responsibility.

she married again when i was still young, but still they struggled for a while until they were able to buy a house... and THEN they had a child... imagine that... waiting... crazy, innit?

i was the first in my mom's side of the family to go to college... i worked my ### off (4 different jobs, 80 hrs/week) while going to full time classes... but i made it...

and i was determined to make sure that i finished college and had a job before i had a child

responsibility

money affects us all, sure... but lack of it doesnt mean its ok to be irresponsible

Well yes and well done to them for waiting but that doesn`t change what i said. Environment does have a part to play aswell as money or lack of money. Education and social factors both come into the equation aswell. You can`t expect the world to behave based on your experiences because the world comes from other experience.

I didn`t say that a lack of money made anything o.k. I was talking about the causes of behaviour and not advocating behaviour.

[gimygirl 0]

[yabasta 0]

I guess I'm most shocked that people admit to reading The Sun

I think a lot of people read it for the articles....sorry i mean tits.

[PsychoKat 0]

LOL I actually went looking through this thread just for this post or something like it after I saw it was originally started in March LOL

[yabasta 0]

So am I not allowed to respond to old threads now?

[PsychoKat 0]

So am I not allowed to respond to old threads now?

It's something that generally comes up when old threads are resurrected is all for me, and often the pictures are funny

[Tim and Bethanie 1]

This topic is so old by now the old geezer has another one on the way!