After Brexit, U.K. Residents Google ‘What Is The EU?’

[GandD 5,966]

yah, but how to define 'dumb people' ?

The Urban elites who overwhelming voted remain, are blaming the poor / rural / uneducated / old people / working class for being dumb to vote leave.

So is it only elites get to decide, while the dumber population just endure?

I purposely didn't define it so we could have a moment of agreement.

[yuna628 9,676]

yah, but how to define 'dumb people' ?

The Urban elites who overwhelming voted remain, are blaming the poor / rural / uneducated / old people / working class for being dumb to vote leave.

So is it only elites get to decide, while the dumber population just endure?

You can't unfortunately. The founders understood this as well.

Think about it for a minute.. have we ever had a referendum on a country-wide (federal level) to go to war, create or break a treaty, or strip/add a right?

No.

We elect our representatives to represent us in legislative matters involving large scale measures. It's supposed to be difficult to get such things done on purpose. It was Cameron/elected leaders to use their abilities to resolve the matter. They didn't even try. This was a remarkable self-inflicted wound of his government's own stupidity.

On a state level there are a few states that hold ballot referendums, and you'll often find them going by mob rule with bad consequences. Usually such new laws are challenged Constitutionally and are quickly put in the bin.

This is why referendums on this scale can lead to disasters, and are an easy way to erode overall good strides in human equality, because in governments like this, there are no checks and balances.

Edited June 27, 2016 by yuna628

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

It's because Justin Timberlake is a racist

If you miss us, just say so.

way to take the bait, nb. that speech was far more important and profound than any timberlake tweet headline.

I don't know what's worse, the white folks who are seething mad at his speech or the black folks who are seething mad at his speech...

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

If you miss us, just say so.

I don't know what's worse, the white folks who are seething mad at his speech or the black folks who are seething mad at his speech...

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I just thought it was absurd Timberlake gave him mad Kudos and got attacked for it. I have not heard the speech

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

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I just thought it was absurd Timberlake gave him mad Kudos and got attacked for it. I have not heard the speech

Wasn't the kudos they were mad about. More about the appropriation portion of his speech, since JT is one who does this in droves. Folks want to use our slang, sing and dance catering to our demographic, but when SHTF, they're no where to be found.

The speech is powerful, but it has people in their feelings about it.

[smilesammich 10,727]

If you miss us, just say so.

I don't know what's worse, the white folks who are seething mad at his speech or the black folks who are seething mad at his speech...

i took the remarks on appropriation as being directed towards establishment when i watched it this morning, by afternoon all the related headlines i saw were about timberlake and not about the speech. typical.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

You can't unfortunately. The founders understood this as well.

Think about it for a minute.. have we ever had a referendum on a country-wide (federal level) to go to war, create or break a treaty, or strip/add a right?

No.

We elect our representatives to represent us in legislative matters involving large scale measures. It's supposed to be difficult to get such things done on purpose. It was Cameron/elected leaders to use their abilities to resolve the matter. They didn't even try. This was a remarkable self-inflicted wound of his government's own stupidity.

On a state level there are a few states that hold ballot referendums, and you'll often find them going by mob rule with bad consequences. Usually such new laws are challenged Constitutionally and are quickly put in the bin.

This is why referendums on this scale can lead to disasters, and are an easy way to erode overall good strides in human equality, because in governments like this, there are no checks and balances.

All of this.

Cameron's hubris has hung the country out to dry, and the elites who say they know what is best for the populace as a whole did jack all to make a case for remain that was compelling enough -- and frankly easy enough to digest -- to overcome the god-awful Little Englandness of the leave campaign. And what is the UK left with? A reduced credit rating, a tumbling FTSE, a devalued pound, and more financial repercussions we do not yet know of. There will be a further recession. There will be real pain for the very areas that voted to leave, since many derive benefit from EU subsidies and European investment. There's likely to be another referendum on Scottish devolution, and while it's unlikely there will be one on whether Northern Ireland should join the Republic (since it's up to Westminster to decide this), it could happen. Meanwhile, significant amounts of legislation will need to be redrafted to remove references to existing European directives. This is a bonanza for lawyers!

None of this is good. This isn't about wresting power away from horrible, oppressive Brussels bureaucrats to benefit a UK that is yearning to be free, and would be better off alone. If they want to keep at least some of their rights to continue to have something like free-ish trade, immigration will still be much as it is now. This is about stoking people's fears of the Other. This is about bigotry, small-mindedness and a yearning for the sort of Hovis-bread-advert England (and I say England on purpose -- this vote was driven by the English) that probably never existed.

The UK deserves better than this. I love and miss my family and friends there, and almost all of them are feeling furious and cheated by fools who voted knowing little to nothing about the ramifications of this vote. And on that note, all of you who would place restrictions on who may vote in this country should hang your heads in shame for your repudiation of and lack of respect for the Constitution. Pathetic.

[Jacque67 7,328]

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

i took the remarks on appropriation as being directed towards establishment when i watched it this morning, by afternoon all the related headlines i saw were about timberlake and not about the speech. typical.

Because no one wants to talk about what he put out there. Duh!

Janelle has been hitting me all day about how Twitter has been in a collective meltdown about it...

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Wasn't the kudos they were mad about. More about the appropriation portion of his speech, since JT is one who does this in droves. Folks want to use our slang, sing and dance catering to our demographic, but when SHTF, they're no where to be found.

The speech is powerful, but it has people in their feelings about it.

Help me understand. Al black people own thier own slang, singing and dancing. Not lg ago you told me that when people said someone acted black, it offended you. Now you are telling me blacks act a certain way.

A need a database to keep up with the shifting winds of the constantly offended

[smilesammich 10,727]

Help me understand. Al black people own thier own slang, singing and dancing. Not lg ago you told me that when people said someone acted black, it offended you. Now you are telling me blacks act a certain way.

A need a database to keep up with the shifting winds of the constantly offended

focus, brexit. wwgjd?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

focus, brexit. wwgjd?

If you want to talk about Breexit, start a thread

WW who is GLD

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Help me understand. Al black people own thier own slang, singing and dancing. Not lg ago you told me that when people said someone acted black, it offended you. Now you are telling me blacks act a certain way.

A need a database to keep up with the shifting winds of the constantly offended

And comprehension goes a long way...

No one owns any kind of musical genre(cept Michael Jackson, he's his own, which JT emulates, along with Justin Bieber, Usher, etc). You have white artists that dip into certain types of music that appeals to black people. Robin Thicke and JT are the main ones, but you have those who only come in when it's about making money. J Lo was one of the biggest offenders when she became Jenny on the Block, Miley Cyrus did her bid when she wanted to shed her good girl appeal, Mariah Carey switched between the two for a bit, and so forth. Just like I'm offended if a non black person starts speaking slang to me because I'm black. Be you, not someone you think I'll accept.

When black people go country(Darius Ruckus, and I think there's one more), they respect the culture. They dress the way country singers do, they sing the songs the way they're supposed to. They are now country. When white people go hip/hop/rap, it's like they try to be "down" for the cause, but if something happens, they quick to remind people they're not really with us. J Lo was all for being hood until she caught that case with Puffy, then she was Jennifer Lopez. It's like folks say, they want to be black as long as they get paid for it and it's easy.

[OriZ 3,157]

All of this.

Cameron's hubris has hung the country out to dry, and the elites who say they know what is best for the populace as a whole did jack all to make a case for remain that was compelling enough -- and frankly easy enough to digest -- to overcome the god-awful Little Englandness of the leave campaign. And what is the UK left with? A reduced credit rating, a tumbling FTSE, a devalued pound, and more financial repercussions we do not yet know of. There will be a further recession. There will be real pain for the very areas that voted to leave, since many derive benefit from EU subsidies and European investment. There's likely to be another referendum on Scottish devolution, and while it's unlikely there will be one on whether Northern Ireland should join the Republic (since it's up to Westminster to decide this), it could happen. Meanwhile, significant amounts of legislation will need to be redrafted to remove references to existing European directives. This is a bonanza for lawyers!

None of this is good. This isn't about wresting power away from horrible, oppressive Brussels bureaucrats to benefit a UK that is yearning to be free, and would be better off alone. If they want to keep at least some of their rights to continue to have something like free-ish trade, immigration will still be much as it is now. This is about stoking people's fears of the Other. This is about bigotry, small-mindedness and a yearning for the sort of Hovis-bread-advert England (and I say England on purpose -- this vote was driven by the English) that probably never existed.

The UK deserves better than this. I love and miss my family and friends there, and almost all of them are feeling furious and cheated by fools who voted knowing little to nothing about the ramifications of this vote. And on that note, all of you who would place restrictions on who may vote in this country should hang your heads in shame for your repudiation of and lack of respect for the Constitution. Pathetic.

I wholeheartedly disagree with parts of what you wrote, but bravo for the rest. Disagreeing is fine - I've always stressed that. It's just the manner in which some disagree here at times that's a bit disrespectful. I don't share your views on the leave camp. There’s certainly merit in promoting flexible trade among European nations, and in the ideal of a common European identity. But the additional fact is that Europe is virtually unequalled in its economic and cultural dispersion. It includes some of the strongest but also weakest economies in the developed world, with diverse languages and deeply held cultural identities that are immediately invoked by the names of each country. These individual national identities are not unanimously seen as insignificant relics, and it is a source of greater discord, not less, to imagine that they don’t exist. Nor is it reasonable to assume that the same fiscal and monetary policies are appropriate to all of them.

Probably the most poorly structured element of the EU is the euro, which binds many of these members together under a common currency. A stable common currency requires that its member states pursue common fiscal policies, and presumes that a common monetary policy is appropriate for all of them. This has been a disaster for Europe. The clearest symptom of this untenable structure is the European Central Bank under Mario Draghi. The blindly frantic “anything it takes” monetary dysfunction promoted by the ECB has enabled the development of massive sovereign debt burdens, Humpty Dumpty banks(with Deutsche Bank being the most leveraged among major institutions, and Credit Suisse not far behind), and negative interest rates across Europe, with the ECB now buying the bonds of even private corporations.

Given that Britain has its own currency, part of the support behind the Brexit vote relates to the relatively free migration of workers under the Common Market. While I do believe that every country has the right to immigration policies that contribute to the relative stability of its own culture, I don’t defend the ugly leap to intolerance that some have demonstrated in Britain and in this forum. My own concern with the structure of the EU is primarily focused on the misguided structure of the common currency, and the underlying requirement for fiscal and monetary harmony that it imposes on countries that desperately need the flexibility to pursue substantially divergent policies. Those constraints have brought Greece close to a depression, while at the same time shoveling default prone sovereign debt onto the balance sheets of European banks and the ECB.

Britain actually has a relatively easy course over the next two years compared with what might result from the exit of another major EU member. There is every reason to expect provisions that are mutually beneficial to each side to be preserved. The transition will be substantially eased by the fact that many of these provisions have broad public support in Britain across a wide range of sectors. Any country that shares the euro as a common currency would have a more difficult exit course, because currency uncertainties would suddenly be introduced, disrupting a wide range of securities and private contracts.

As far as the meeting over the weekend goes - the foreign ministers of Germany, France, Belgium, Italy, Luxembourg and the Netherlands released a statement of willingness to work toward an orderly departure of Britain from the EU, and stated “we shall also recognize different levels of ambition amongst Member States when it comes to the project of European Integration. While not stepping back from what we have achieved, we have to find better ways of dealing with those different levels of ambition so as to ensure that Europe delivers better on the expectations of all European citizens.” One can only wish that those “different levels of ambition” had originally included flexibility for member countries to pursue reasonable differences in their monetary, fiscal, and immigration policies, scrapping the notion of a common currency. The ideal of workable integration would be much easier to achieve, the European economy would be struggling less, and the ECB would not be able to engineer an increasingly extreme choice between monetary dysfunction and financial crisis. That choice has already become a double bind; either option is ultimately likely to bring the same end. Unfortunately, financial and monetary extremes have already been taken too far to allow a return to long-term stability along anything other than a difficult road.

I also don't quite share the view that Brexit has caused what we have seen in the financial markets. I wrote it before the results were known - that if they vote to leave and this happens it will be blamed.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/600237-live-brexit-thread/

And in the short term, the violence, and volatility is undeniably related. But in the long run this writing has been, and still is on the wall.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/577938-one-year-to-nowhere/

While the full attention is focused on Brexit, the singular factor to recognize here is that the vulnerability of the markets to steep losses has very little to do with Brexit per se. Years of yield seeking speculation, encouraged by central banks, had already brought the financial markets to a precipice before last week’s vote. As I have said that night while we were all watching the votes come in, it’s not entirely clear whether Brexit is a sufficient catalyst to burst the bubble, just as the failure of Bear Stearns in early 2008 was followed by a period of calm before the crisis was sealed by Lehman's failure(which in itself was more of a consequence than a cause), and numerous dot-com stocks had already been obliterated by September 2000, when the tech bubble began its collapse. There's plenty of reasons to be defensive right now, and they have very little to do with brexit.

Valuation measures most reliably correlated with actual subsequent market returns are currently at the third most offensive extreme in history. Only in 2000 and 1929 were they more offensive. Because this speculative episode has infected nearly every asset class, rather than favoring tech stocks or mortgage securities as in previous bubbles, the median price/revenue ratio across individual U.S. stocks actually pushed to the most extreme level on record in recent weeks, before retreating on Friday.

Despite the potential for Brexit to act as a trigger to express latent risks that have been steeply elevated for some time now, I strongly believe people should not be misled into thinking that the specifics of this particular trigger matter all that much. It is only one of many possible disruptions to a bubble in search of a pin.

Again you don't have to share my view. As long as it is done in a respectful way I'm OK with that.

Late note - I completely agree everyone should be able and allowed to vote.

Edited June 28, 2016 by OriZ

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

And comprehension goes a long way...

No one owns any kind of musical genre(cept Michael Jackson, he's his own, which JT emulates, along with Justin Bieber, Usher, etc). You have white artists that dip into certain types of music that appeals to black people. Robin Thicke and JT are the main ones, but you have those who only come in when it's about making money. J Lo was one of the biggest offenders when she became Jenny on the Block, Miley Cyrus did her bid when she wanted to shed her good girl appeal, Mariah Carey switched between the two for a bit, and so forth. Just like I'm offended if a non black person starts speaking slang to me because I'm black. Be you, not someone you think I'll accept.

When black people go country(Darius Ruckus, and I think there's one more), they respect the culture. They dress the way country singers do, they sing the songs the way they're supposed to. They are now country. When white people go hip/hop/rap, it's like they try to be "down" for the cause, but if something happens, they quick to remind people they're not really with us. J Lo was all for being hood until she caught that case with Puffy, then she was Jennifer Lopez. It's like folks say, they want to be black as long as they get paid for it and it's easy.

So all Black people have a certain kind of Music that appeals to them . I thought those kind of statements infuriated you. You sure like to stereotype black people.

So how dark does Jlo's skin have to be before she can be Jenny on the block.

I like Tupac.. Do I need to fill out a permission form? My ringtone is Dear Mamma. That song has so much meaning to me. Can I get a white privilege pass, so I can keep it as my ringtone. Please ?