The AR-15 was built for slaughter in war zones

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

no, that's not what i said. if you're questioning what i said - reread my post.

the headlines on sunday morning did not say "AR 15 SCARY LOOKING GUN USED IN ORLANDO" with a tiny byline of (49 dead). catch my drift?

NO I am dumb according to your post dear ?

[smilesammich 10,727]

NO I am dumb according to your post dear ?

this is what i said was dumb - not you sweetie

The just choose the AR because it gets so much publicity.

'they' do not choose ar15s for publicity. if you have any sort of supporting evidence to this statement, by all means, let me see it.

[Sousuke 1,214]

i think the hoopla arises out of this need to have all massacres equal in all matters. "they" are not a cohesive unit that "choose" a specific weapon for "publicity", that's dumb imo because it's the killing that gets the publicity, not the guns. the guns only get traction from folks who know anything about guns, ya'll been going on about the AR15 for friggin 18 pages. it's about the kill count, it's about a pile of bodies instead of just a couple bodies. and what better way to get maximum death than to make sure you rarely have to reload? i'm not basing this question on my knowledge of how many bullets it shoots how quick, i'm just taking what i've heard survivors of orlando say, that they were only able to run when the shooter needed to reload or left the area they were in. imagine if he'd gone into that club with a handgun, do you think he would have gotten the same number of kills?

what does 9/11 have to do with anything?

I was asked this earlier (maybe even in this thread). Yes even with handguns he could have easily gotten the same number. AR15s are popular, thats why they are common for these attacks.

If it were banned, they would just move on to the next gun.

'they' do not choose ar15s for publicity. if you have any sort of supporting evidence to this statement, by all means, let me see it.

He's right.

Think of it like this. You are a new shooter, whats the first gun you are going to think of? The AR15. Why? Because it gets the most publicity.

'they' do not choose ar15s for publicity. if you have any sort of supporting evidence to this statement, by all means, let me see it.

He's right.

Think of it like this. You are a new shooter, whats the first gun you are going to think of? The AR15. Why? Because it gets the most publicity.

[Merle 458]

what does 9/11 have to do with anything?

The 9/11 hijackers used other means (fuel filled commercial airliners) to kill high numbers of people and not AR15 rifles.

[smilesammich 10,727]

I was asked this earlier (maybe even in this thread). Yes even with handguns he could have easily gotten the same number. AR15s are popular, thats why they are common for these attacks.

If it were banned, they would just move on to the next gun.

He's right.

Think of it like this. You are a new shooter, whats the first gun you are going to think of? The AR15. Why? Because it gets the most publicity.

ok, prove it. give me some evidence to back up what you're projecting.

if he's right, someone will have some actual evidence that this in fact, how 'new shooters' choose guns. and why should i guesstimate the actions of a mass killer based on gun marketing toward 'new shooters'? they are not the same and 'new shooters' aren't the target of restriction, mass murderers are.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

this is what i said was dumb - not you sweetie

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Only thing saved you from a report button push was the sweetie comment ?

That and I don't have a report button on my phone

[smilesammich 10,727]

The 9/11 hijackers used other means (fuel filled commercial airliners) to kill high numbers of people and not AR15 rifles.

right. so your logic is that because planes were used in 9/11 and got the most publicity and most kills, this should be all future mass killer's weapon of choice. wonder why that hasn't been the case?

Edited June 23, 2016 by elitesthuglib

[smilesammich 10,727]

Only thing saved you from a report button push was the sweetie comment ?

That and I don't have a report button on my phone

meh. sousuke has your back, which makes sense considering the topic.

but i'm still miffed no one wants to give me actual links. GIMMIE LINKS.

[Merle 458]

right. so your logic is that because planes were used in 9/11 and got the most publicity and most kills, this should be all future mass killer's weapon of choice. wonder why that hasn't been the case?

Nope, I'm not saying that. Im not talking about the publicity of a weapon or anything of the sort. Im not worried or concerned about how a murderer picks his weapon of choice, how he wears his shirt, what his choice of breakfast cereal is, etc. I'm saying a person hell bent on killing people, in any amount, will find the means to do so. If you were able to wave a magic wand over the country and make every AR-15 vanish it wouldn't stop these deranged heathens from wanting to kill us. Thats what we should be focused on.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Nope, I'm not saying that. Im not talking about the publicity of a weapon or anything of the sort. Im not worried or concerned about how a murderer picks his weapon of choice, how he wears his shirt, what his choice of breakfast cereal is, etc. I'm saying a person hell bent on killing people, in any amount, will find the means to do so. If you were able to wave a magic wand over the country and make every AR-15 vanish it wouldn't stop these deranged heathens from wanting to kill us. Thats what we should be focused on.

the purpose of gun control is not to 'stop these deranged heathens from wanting to kill us' - how can you control a thought? you can't, you can't control a thought until that thought becomes a traceable action. don't you think attempting to control objects is more attainable than attempting to control thought? i get the feeling you're approaching this from the angle that only religious radicals are hell bent on killing people and that isn't the case. it's about taking the most effective action to, if anything, lessen casualties. waving a magic wand to make one type of gun disappear seems more doable than waving a wand and making a particular group of people disappear.

Edited June 23, 2016 by elitesthuglib

[Sousuke 1,214]

ok, prove it. give me some evidence to back up what you're projecting.

if he's right, someone will have some actual evidence that this in fact, how 'new shooters' choose guns. and why should i guesstimate the actions of a mass killer based on gun marketing toward 'new shooters'? they are not the same and 'new shooters' aren't the target of restriction, mass murderers are.

Well...how about the fact that 20% of all rifle sales in the US are AR15s, making them the most common rifle sold in the US?

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/dec/17/how-many-ar15-rifles-sold

[smilesammich 10,727]

Well...how about the fact that 20% of all rifle sales in the US are AR15s, making them the most common rifle sold in the US?

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/dec/17/how-many-ar15-rifles-sold

i'm not talking about marketing or sales, nb said that 'they' (they being mass shooters) choose AR15s for the publicity they receive, and you agreed. how does this link prove that mass killers choose AR15s because they will receive the most publicity? mass shooters are essentially 'new shooters'? orlando killer wasn't a 'new shooter'

[Sousuke 1,214]

i'm not talking about marketing or sales, nb said that 'they' (they being mass shooters) choose AR15s for the publicity they receive, and you agreed. how does this link prove that mass killers choose AR15s because they will receive the most publicity? mass shooters are essentially 'new shooters'? orlando killer wasn't a 'new shooter'

Oh I took what NB said the other way.

The AR15 is chosen because IT gets the most publicity, not the shooter trying to add to their own publicity.

Edited June 23, 2016 by Sousuke

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Oh I took what NB said the other way.

The AR15 is chosen because IT gets the most publicity, not the shooter trying to add to their own publicity.

That's what I thought I said

[Merle 458]

waving a magic wand to make one type of gun disappear seems more doable than waving a wand and making a particular group of people disappear.

In your opinion maybe. The gun control laws in France didn't stop those heathens from acquiring AK47 rifles. Well there's a will there's a way as "they" say.