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[Sousuke 1,214]

religion is not to blame in the same respect that guns are not to blame. it's about potential and the user.

Are you suggesting "religion control" ?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

He just wants an out.

Are you suggesting Religion is a gun?

From what? I'm not running anywhere. Just pointing out the double standard that's used when it comes to Islam. The notion being that it's inherently bad and makes them do these things.

[Sousuke 1,214]

Are you suggesting Religion is a gun?

I think there are similarities for sure. Its all about the 1st and 2nd amendments after all.

[John Miller 761]

More guns are obviously the answer. People need to bring their AR-15 to the club. It's just common sense.

[GandD 5,966]

From what? I'm not running anywhere. Just pointing out the double standard that's used when it comes to Islam. The notion being that it's inherently bad and makes them do these things.

Well, I personally think all religion is bad. And I think Islam is inherently oppressive of women. But I don't believe that mainstream Islam promotes violence. But this guy was clearly a radicalized Islamist that committed a by the definition hate crime against homosexuals. Maybe it came from an internal identity struggle, maybe not. Either way, in his mind, Islam justified his actions. And there are people producing literature online which he read to come to these conclusions. People writing about what they think Islam should be.

religion is not to blame in the same respect that guns are not to blame. it's about potential and the user.

Religion has proven time and time to be way more dangerous than guns.

[B_J 2,752]

Instead of saying crazy, we can say they have a degree of mental instability + being an evil individual. Because there are mentally ill people who DON'T go on killing sprees.

I think we're probably in agreement. Whether it's the person who shot up the black church or the person who shot up the gay club, they are evil individuals. I don't view them as the type of crazy where they can't be held responsible for their actions. They aren't victims of a mental disease, in my opinion.

I would say they are the type of crazy where they are doing something totally inconceivable to the vast majority of people. It's crazy, but not the type where they just need help and they'll be okay.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Are you suggesting "religion control" ?

no, i don't believe such a thing is possible or beneficial.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

List of countries with anti-gay laws

Surprise! Not all Middle Eastern

Quite a few in Africa

Sri Lanka and India are on the list. Some in the Americas,Oceania like Cook Islands, Samoa,

Russia! And Belarus is considering a law like Russia as we speak. So ow well on the only in the Middle East thing.

https://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/

[smilesammich 10,727]

Well, I personally think all religion is bad. And I think Islam is inherently oppressive of women. But I don't believe that mainstream Islam promotes violence. But this guy was clearly a radicalized Islamist that committed a by the definition hate crime against homosexuals. Maybe it came from an internal identity struggle, maybe not. Either way, in his mind, Islam justified his actions. And there are people producing literature online which he read to come to these conclusions. People writing about what they think Islam should be.

Religion has proven time and time to be way more dangerous than guns.

I was comparing religion and guns only in their potential for abuse, it all depends on the user.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I think we're probably in agreement. Whether it's the person who shot up the black church or the person who shot up the gay club, they are evil individuals. I don't view them as the type of crazy where they can't be held responsible for their actions. They aren't victims of a mental disease, in my opinion.

I would say they are the type of crazy where they are doing something totally inconceivable to the vast majority of people. It's crazy, but not the type where they just need help and they'll be okay.

How would you feel about laws against spreading hateful speech and messages? And would you feel this is against the first amendment?

Let's be real, the more you hear something that is negative and hateful, the more susceptible you can become to it.

Is it okay to put out internet blogs and youtube videos about gay people and saying they should die? Or you support a tragedy that has befallen them?

[Sousuke 1,214]

How would you feel about laws against spreading hateful speech and messages? And would you feel this is against the first amendment?

Let's be real, the more you hear something that is negative and hateful, the more susceptible you can become to it.

Is it okay to put out internet blogs and youtube videos about gay people and saying they should die? Or you support a tragedy that has befallen them?

Its okay so long as its not a specific threat IMO. The UK has a law that allows hate speech to be prosecuted. Slippery slope IMO.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Its okay so long as its not a specific threat IMO. The UK has a law that allows hate speech to be prosecuted. Slippery slope IMO.

A slippery slope indeed but could it be anymore hurtful than the harm that is being done to individuals in the name of hate as it is?

How is it working out for the U.K.?

[yuna628 9,676]

A slippery slope indeed but could it be anymore hurtful than the harm that is being done to individuals in the name of hate as it is?

How is it working out for the U.K.?

There's a lot of government intrusion. Often just in cases where something was just 'offensive' and not particularly violent or hateful. I'd say some are prone to more targeting than others.

At the same time there's a plethora of persons and organizations and political parties that like to hold demonstrations or say things that encompass extremely vile and hateful speech towards all sorts of people they hate. Don't think in these case much prosecution is ever done either.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

There's a lot of government intrusion. Often just in cases where something was just 'offensive' and not particularly violent or hateful. I'd say some are prone to more targeting than others.

At the same time there's a plethora of persons and organizations and political parties that like to hold demonstrations or say things that encompass extremely vile and hateful speech towards all sorts of people they hate. Don't think in these case much prosecution is ever done either.

Ok. I'm out of this discussion. Everyone wants their right to be racist, every one wants their right to say & preach hate filled things and every one wants their guns. MURICA!

I'll see you all in the next mass shooting thread.

[John Miller 761]

Ok. I'm out of this discussion. Everyone wants their right to be racist, every one wants their right to say & preach hate filled things and every one wants their guns. MURICA!

I'll see you all in the next mass shooting thread.

It won't be long. We had over 170 already this year. That works out to more than one a day.

Clearly, we need more firearms to put an end to it. And more divisive and hateful rhetoric. That always helps.